He has to go. He's spunked so much cash on so many players, who although could turn out ok, they a year at least. He fecked up completely spending all the Suarez cash in one go effectively - they were never going to come close to what they managed last year with an almost entirely new squad. He's their Moyes or whoever was at Spurs before Pochettino came in. Not big club manager material.
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I'd hope for Klopp, but I think it would be De Boer.
He's having a mare of a season. From the summer signings to playing Sterling for 120 minutes v Northampton to throwing the Madrid game to today - where he has basically rocked up to Old Trafford playing some sort of 352 false 9 system. with Glen Johnson as one of the CB's and Brad Jones in nets.
Has he not recovered from missing out on the title? He looks all over the shop. It was 4 games to save his job. He's lost the last 2 so Bournemouth and Arsenal left. The end is nigh.
Has he not recovered from missing out on the title? He looks all over the shop. It was 4 games to save his job. He's lost the last 2 so Bournemouth and Arsenal left. The end is nigh.
Well this is stating the obvious.
My point was Ancelotti is not involved in signings but he gets on with his job without fuss and has done brilliantly. Clearly Rodgers has shown enough last season that he deserves time and backing, we don't know yet how much Suarez was worth, it is possible the expectation has simply been too much for a big club with a young manager who is asked to develop young players and yet somehow compete for the title.
The manager is learning a fair bit, a top director of football can deal with assembling as quality a squad as possible and Rodgers coaches them, many of the players he got the best out of last season weren't his signings anyway.
Ancelotti has been strong against a world class Barcelona side and in Europe, whatever you say about the players he is given he still is up against teams like Munich and Barcelona who also have similar level players yet Ancelotti looks to be the favourite to get his third champions league in my opinion.
Rodgers would not be competing to be the best in Europe so he doesn't need Ancelotti's players, what he has at his disposal plus Valdes and another Sturridge type player who suits his offence would provide Liverpool with enough quality to make them competitive for top four.
You still have Europa league, it might be difficult to win but it's possible, Liverpool play like they did with 10 men against Basle but with 11 men for 20 minutes a game then they have a chance.
Top GK, stop the silly mistakes at the back and one more striker that is well suited to the high intensity game, that's (for me) the top three things he needs to address ASAP.
On Valdes, his contract situation from what I understand with Monaco is the new club pay a reasonable amount towards the wages and Monaco will make up the rest of the promised 150k per week (I think).
At the very least go all out convincing him even if it fails.
Regarding team and tactics I think he was trying to be too smart or his own good. He wanted to go for something that, if it worked, everyone would say: "that's the genius of Rodgers". It didn't work.
You're right of course, just can't help but laugh at the 'it didn't work' summary. Story of his season! The defeat at home to Chelsea being one of the best examples.
It's like FM, when you're just not winning so you do all kinds of random things in hope something comes off.
Looking back, you have to say selling Agger was a big mistake.
McClaren I reckon.
You're right of course, just can't help but laugh at the 'it didn't work' summary. Story of his season! The defeat at home to Chelsea being one of the best examples.
No he's not. That's absolute fecking bollocks to be blunt. There is no chance that a manager under pressure goes with those tactics to try and prove how clever he is.
I wouldn't sack him because there would be nobody to replace him. I think they'll lose to Arsenal on Sunday and fall further behind in the chase for top four, but what can they do? Give the job to Gerrard? Actually, give the job to Gerrard. Please.
Easy mate. Ok perhaps I was getting a bit carried away there but he is trying a lot of peculiar shit this season. It would definitely massage his ego if it came off. Don't you think LvG did something similar in the WC? Dumping the traditional 433 on the eve of the finals, Krol coming on for pens etc. it's just not coming off for Rodgers.
I think your forgetting someone
I noticed he didn't look too happy last night. Which suggests he is breathing.
He's running out of ideas. He isn't trying to be clever, he isn't trying to look like a genius. He's struggling and clearly under pressure and he's throwing shite on the pitch and seeing what works.
If they sack him, what would they do with his twin, Mighty Red?
Probably give him the job!
Fair enough. But tbf some of that 'shite' he's throwing out there is the players he bought.
Football is a fickle business though. He was the best thing since sliced bread 6 months ago when everything he did came off.
Bringing on Markovic to play left wing back was one of the most stupid things I have seen a manager do, what an absolute waste of everyone's time.
Agree Barney boy but he was in the summer when he was trying to look like a genius (lecturing LVG about the league and belittling his previous achievements) that's what is coming back to bite him in the arse!
"It's working for Van Gaal, la?"
Posting this again.
I just don't understand what he was doing.
Even with his two dog shit centre halves he should of just gone with a 4-3-3 or variation of with Sterling and Couthino playing wide trying to feed Mad Mario.
It's not rocket science.
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Has no one in the media brought up his quote on spurs yet? Must be a journalist that will ask at one of his press conferences. He will probably just say he spent £100 million on technicians with great attitudes whearas Spurs bought football players.
Not that I want to defend Rodgers, but £100m doesn't actually get you that much these days does it?
Di Maria, Luke Shaw and Falcao on loan with some change left over to get a less terrifying mascot.
It doesn't, but no one else said that spending £100m should get you the league. Rodgers is on his own on that one.
It'd get you a few de Gea's, which would be enough to win the league.
Are you including wages in that? Because ADM and Falcao blow the 100 million out of the water. Liverpool can't compete with the wages United can dish out so it is a bit of a pointless comparison (as they could never realistically sign those two).
If we hadn't wasted so many chances and we didn't make those mistakes for the first and third goal, the second was clearly off side, then we would have won. No shit. "If we had scored more goals than the opposition, I think we would have won" is basically what he is saying. Good to know he knows simple maths. He looks down though, so that's good, at least.
When did wages become part of the the transfer fee? If you sell the player after three years, do you take away the last two years of wages or how does that work? Do you include the sell-on fee, marketing value and shirt sales to the table as well? It's such a ridiculous way of talking about what a player costs. He was talking about transfer fees. Stop taking everything else into account. That's very Liverpool-ish! Net worth, net worth.
"Almost" is the new "Next year will be our year"
all this talk of sacking Rogers...
it wouldbe suicide if they did it.
He is clearly under pressure...I mean playing Jones was desperation.
But they did press well. We were careless and they could have taken the chances on another day...
I thought they played well. But our strikers showed how to take chances.
If Rodgers believed in himself and does the simple things right, Liverpool will be alright. The simple fact is they had a fluke of a chance last season and they believe they are good enough to be challenging every season. They cannot outspend the big three and Rodgers is nowhere near as good a manager as Van Gaal or Maurinho.
it wouldbe suicide if they did it.
He is clearly under pressure...I mean playing Jones was desperation.
But they did press well. We were careless and they could have taken the chances on another day...
I thought they played well. But our strikers showed how to take chances.
If Rodgers believed in himself and does the simple things right, Liverpool will be alright. The simple fact is they had a fluke of a chance last season and they believe they are good enough to be challenging every season. They cannot outspend the big three and Rodgers is nowhere near as good a manager as Van Gaal or Maurinho.
Wasn't Suarez on 200k a week? Sort of makes the point about wages redundant. Liverpool can offer a star player an excellent wage.
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I don't think there's any chance of Rodgers not believing in himself, chief. His trouble is he believes that because he's the manager of a big club, he's a big-time manager; he isn't.
Structural problems though.
GK - hasn't got one
Lovren - consistently terrible, but was marquee defensive signing
Gerrard - has to be crowbarred into team somewhere
Striker - injured or can't score at required rate, and/or don't suit preferred style of play
Almost next year - it's almost next year lads. And a new year is a fresh start, well unless you are not getting a new contract, or if you are injured for a long time, or you are hanging up your boots, or possibly getting sacked, but other than that, it's a fresh start.
It's like he starts a sentence, then mid-ways thinks that "that can't be all correct, so let's put in all the ifs and buts" - He has a very surreal way of speaking at times, as if he is speaking what he is thinking then and there instead of actually contemplating what he should say before actually saying it.
He's struggling with the fall from grace because he didn't see it coming. Personally I think it's down to arrogance. And to be fair whilst people expected them to tail off, no one thought they would be this bad.
But the FM analogy is spot on. He appears to be trying too many different things in such a short space of time and I don't think he's doing a great job of managing the confidence of his players. Mismanaging Gerrard, dropping Mignolet for the biggest game of the season for someone who is actually worse, persisting with Lovren whilst he's in the firing line, essentially revealing Balotelli was never his first choice, the use of Lallana...I think the man is having a nightmare.
But the FM analogy is spot on. He appears to be trying too many different things in such a short space of time and I don't think he's doing a great job of managing the confidence of his players. Mismanaging Gerrard, dropping Mignolet for the biggest game of the season for someone who is actually worse, persisting with Lovren whilst he's in the firing line, essentially revealing Balotelli was never his first choice, the use of Lallana...I think the man is having a nightmare.
Their first choice goalie is not shite. He is average.
Gerrad should not be played.
Their defense has always had issues. They would do well to bring in some youngsters like van Gaal did.
Until Sturridge is back I would pick a combination from Sterling, Lambert and Balotelli.
Its clear Rodgers is transmitting his own desperation to his players and the biggest asset for those of us who hate Liverpool are Liverpool's fans. Their unrealistic expectations is bringing about the very end we desire.
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