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How about this one - out of 25 players he has signed or taken on-loan - 1 (!) player is a key-player for Liverpool. 3-4 of them are more or less regulars. Maybe 3-4 more can be considered decent squad-players. That leaves a lot of players who will not, or is yet to, improve Liverpool
 
How about this one - out of 25 players he has signed or taken on-loan - 1 (!) player is a key-player for Liverpool. 3-4 of them are more or less regulars. Maybe 3-4 more can be considered decent squad-players. That leaves a lot of players who will not, or is yet to, improve Liverpool
What's weird it, as I've read it, Sturridge and Coutinho were basically forced on him by the board. He didn't actually want them.
 
You can actually see the worry lines on his forehead getting deeper and deeper.

Nothing that some botox jabs won't fix, mind.
 
What's weird it, as I've read it, Sturridge and Coutinho were basically forced on him by the board. He didn't actually want them.

That is 100% true. We could have got Sturridge in the prior summer, but only when our ex-Man City scouts came in and implored FSG went over Rodgers to get Daniel did he finally arrive. Coutinho wasn't even a player Rodgers knew about (none of us did to be fair). Again it was the City scouts that pushed for arrival. Since then these two became critical to how Rodgers plays. A manager who knows how to play beautiful football but no idea who to buy to play like that. A pretty serious flaw.
 
That is 100% true. We could have got Sturridge in the prior summer, but only when our ex-Man City scouts came in and implored FSG went over Rodgers to get Daniel did he finally arrive. Coutinho wasn't even a player Rodgers knew about (none of us did to be fair). Again it was the City scouts that pushed for arrival. Since then these two became critical to how Rodgers plays. A manager who knows how to play beautiful football but no idea who to buy to play like that. A pretty serious flaw.

Coutinho was pretty well known before liverpool. Mainly for being an inconsistant player with great potential. Not too far from what he is now.
 
That is 100% true. We could have got Sturridge in the prior summer, but only when our ex-Man City scouts came in and implored FSG went over Rodgers to get Daniel did he finally arrive. Coutinho wasn't even a player Rodgers knew about (none of us did to be fair). Again it was the City scouts that pushed for arrival. Since then these two became critical to how Rodgers plays. A manager who knows how to play beautiful football but no idea who to buy to play like that. A pretty serious flaw.

To be fair Ancelotti just works with what he has and does amazing, what if you had a director of football who dealt with the signings?

Also do you not think signing Valdes (offer him lucrative contract), Doumbia and a world class defensive coach would make you guys competitive for top four?
 
To be fair Ancelotti just works with what he has and does amazing

To be fair, I reckon Rodgers would be much better if he was being handed players like Kroos, James and Bale to work with.

Also do you not think signing Valdes (offer him lucrative contract), Doumbia and a world class defensive coach would make you guys competitive for top four?

A loss against Arsenal and it's almost certainly over unless we can have another second half of the season like last year which I just cannot see. Would have Valdes in a heartbeat and I've seen Doumbia play at most once so can't comment on him. There are pros and cons to bringing in a defensive coach. Can see why you would suggest we should, but I can also understand why bringing in one would be bad for the team.
 
Of those teams Rodgers is by far and away the most likely to be still in post in 5 years' times. That is a significant positive which is cause for optimism, not to mention the trajectory of the rise in quality in the past 18 months. Whether you want to acknowledge these factors as significant or not is your choice.

I consider Liverpool to have unearthed a gem in Rodgers. Not simply because he has his team playing arguably the league's best football and not just because of his ability to get players to improve but because everything about him indicates 'long term'. This isn't a manager de jour here as part of a trans-European junket. I firmly believe his capacity to stick around offers a lot to be optimistic about.

I think I might just keep quoting these posts up until he inevitably gets sacked :lol:

Pure gold.
 
I remember a quote years ago from a journalist saying he hoped Man United beat Chelsea in the Champions League final because it wouldn't be morally right if a manager as limited as Avran Grant won the same amount of European Cups as Sir Alex Ferguson. Well Jose Mourinho did the world a great service beating Liverpool last season. Brendan Rodgers has really exposed himself the last few months. His signings were dogshit. His tactics have been shocking. Where has this great football gone? Its great to see. Luck only carries you so far. His has ran out. A heartly Christmas LOL from everyone at the FujiVice household.
 
I think I might just keep quoting these posts up until he inevitably gets sacked :lol:

Pure gold.

I don't think it was that ridiculous for a long while. A bit sensationalist and exaggerated, yes, but you can see why Liverpool fans would've been excited when they got him, and it looked justified for most of last year. Although it's come back to bite him on the arse now, it seems.
 
They're getting better. Just needs to get Can and Manquillo back into the team along with Sakho.

Was United away really the best time to drop Mignolet and play Jones? Is there a single reason for Lovren starting over Toure, when Toure has earned his place again recently because of Lovrens constant defensive errors? No Lucas? Not starting with a striker?
 
His team selections are getting weirder with each match.

Like I said in the Mignolet thread, he didn't set up for this game with a 'what will get us a win' approach. He set up in a 'what mental things can I do to allow me to wank myself off as a football genius if they work'.

Brendan "Billy big bollocks" Rodgers.
 
Well Jose Mourinho did the world a great service beating Liverpool last season. Brendan Rodgers has really exposed himself the last few months. His signings were dogshit. His tactics have been shocking. Where has this great football gone? Its great to see. Luck only carries you so far. His has ran out. A heartly Christmas LOL from everyone at the FujiVice household.

Easily Mourinho's greatest contribution to football - I can never dislike the man again after stopping the greatest nightmare when all hope seemed lost - regardless of what cnutish act he pulls next.
 
Was United away really the best time to drop Mignolet and play Jones?

The decision was right, but it should have been done earlier.

Is there a single reason for Lovren starting over Toure, when Toure has earned his place again recently because of Lovrens constant defensive errors?

Toure is coming back from an injury.

Not starting with a striker?

It was the right decision I think. None of our strikers have shown anything.

No Lucas?

That one was strange.
 
I don't get the sack talk. Sure he is a total phoney and complete bullshit artist but I don't think he is under performing greatly this year. Last year he had a damn impressive season but that seems to have fuelled unrealistic expectations of him his team and the club. He is still building on Rafa's 7th place finish.

A lull is not unusual after such a surge, ask Pardew - very similar managers.
 
I don't get the sack talk. Sure he is a total phoney and complete bullshit artist but I don't think he is under performing greatly this year. Last year he had a damn impressive season but that seems to have fuelled unrealistic expectations of him his team and the club. He is still building on Rafa's 7th place finish.

A lull is not unusual after such a surge, ask Pardew - very similar managers.
Pardew is the better manager imo
 
It was the right decision I think. None of our strikers have shown anything.

Trouble is Sterling plays, and finishes, like a winger. So he gets in good positions with his speed, but then can't seem to finish them off. In the end he's only scored 3 goals this season, so its not like he's blowing away your strikers in that respect. Personally I'd say it would have been better to have him creating things behind a proper striker. If a draw was okay for you perhaps, but in a game you needed to win I think it was a bad choice.
 
The decision was right, but it should have been done earlier.

It's not really a good decision then. He obviously should have dropped him far before this game, not on the day itself.

Barney said:
Toure is coming back from an injury.

He's been played and dropped a lot, even when he is fit and by far the better choice over Lovren.

Barney said:
It was the right decision I think. None of our strikers have shown anything.

And yet you still brought on Balotelli when you guys needed goals, which was kind of likely, given you started without a striker. He had a few attempts and should have scored, definitely should have started the match, obviously a better option up front than any other player you have.

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That one was strange.

I get the feeling he has his favourites and plays them over others even if it's clearly not the right thing to do. It explains why Lovren gets so many games, why Toure was ignored for so long and Sakho has been shunned. Refusing to play Borini over a dying Lambert with even Gerrard mentioning he wasn't fit. Barely playing Can despite the midfield being over-run, constant use of Gerrard and in wrong positions, overuse of Allen who offers so little. Glen Johnson still being a Liverpool player.
 
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They're getting better. Just needs to get Can and Manquillo back into the team along with Sakho.

Barney, fair play to you in defending your club and manager. Please can you let the KRAP movement know whether you are fully behind Brentan or not, do you think he is the right man for the job?
 
Trouble is Sterling plays, and finishes, like a winger. So he gets in good positions with his speed, but then can't seem to finish them off. In the end he's only scored 3 goals this season, so its not like he's blowing away your strikers in that respect. Personally I'd say it would have been better to have him creating things behind a proper striker. If a draw was okay for you perhaps, but in a game you needed to win I think it was a bad choice.

If Lambert or Balotelli had started they wouldn't have been in the position to score like Sterling today. His finishing was dreadful, but I thought it was the right call to play him up front.
 
Barney, fair play to you in defending your club and manager. Please can you let the KRAP movement know whether you are fully behind Brentan or not, do you think he is the right man for the job?

My thoughts:
Onto Rodgers: I do not think he’s going to be able to turn this around. He’s a good manager, but I think we have lost too much confidence and I do not think Rodgers is going to be able to recover from this. I am not calling for him to be sacked yet as I think sacking managers in the middle of the season is a bad plan (the best replacements for him in Klopp, Benitez [lol] and De Boer would be unattainable at this point anyway), but I do think, barring some miraculous turnaround, he should walk at the end of the season. One of our greatest ever managers and our best ever player was sacked for less. Do not think the race for top four is over, but it’s going to take a massive turnaround to get there. It has to start with a win against Arsenal. Rodgers needs to stop playing whatever political games he’s playing and get our best players on the pitch and that includes Sakho and Can
 
It's not really a good decision then. He obviously should have dropped him far before this game, not on the day itself.

It is, it just was a bit belated.

He's been played and dropped a lot, even when he is fit and by far the better choice over Lovren.

Agreed. He was injured though. That's why he missed the Basel game. Probably why he didn't start

And yet you still brought on Balotelli when you guys needed goals. He had a few attempts and should have scored, definitely should have started the match.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I get the feeling he has his favourites and plays them over others even if it's clearly not the right thing to do

Without a doubt.
 
The success that Suarez and Sturridge gave him last season really boosted his ego to the point where he thought he's actually a decent coach. Thinking he's a good coach, he goes on to buy half a dozen or so mediocre players with the Suarez money thinking he's some sort of football manager genius. Always nice to see a man with an ego exposed to reality
 
Again it was the City scouts that pushed for arrival. Since then these two became critical to how Rodgers plays. A manager who knows how to play beautiful football but no idea who to buy to play like that. A pretty serious flaw.
Moyes has the similar issue. Wanted good football but didn't know how to get there. Needless to say if a manager can't do that he can't be considered anything more than a good manager who isn't enough for a top club.

I remember a quote years ago from a journalist saying he hoped Man United beat Chelsea in the Champions League final because it wouldn't be morally right if a manager as limited as Avran Grant won the same amount of European Cups as Sir Alex Ferguson. Well Jose Mourinho did the world a great service beating Liverpool last season. Brendan Rodgers has really exposed himself the last few months. His signings were dogshit. His tactics have been shocking. Where has this great football gone? Its great to see. Luck only carries you so far. His has ran out. A heartly Christmas LOL from everyone at the FujiVice household.
I sometimes wonder if that result plays on Rogers mind more than ever. All he needed was a point from the game but his naivety cost them by trying to go all out for the win. As a result he really looks like he's fighting his natural instincts which never helps - he should bring in some coaches to help him out but his ego probably won't let him
 
I doubt he'll get the bullet this side of Christmas. Who would come in? I know the Liverpool lads I speak to are thinking Klopp but I can't see it, especially with them still being in the CL. Ok Dortmund are doing badly in the domestic league but either way he'd have to turn a club round, better off sticking with BD.
 
The success that Suarez and Sturridge gave him last season really boosted his ego to the point where he thought he's actually a decent coach. Thinking he's a good coach, he goes on to buy half a dozen or so mediocre players with the Suarez money thinking he's some sort of football manager genius. Always nice to see a man with an ego exposed to reality

Pretty much nailed on fact.
 
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