Christ, I'd only have signed two of those at most. And one of them was free...
Brentan Rodgers
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In the last two years they have spent just over over 154miland have had no really improvement in terms of league position.
Signings since Jan 2011
Fabio Borini £10,000,000
Joe Allen £15,000,000
Oussama Assaidi £2,300,000
Samed Yesil £1,000,000
Daniel Sturridge £12,000,000
Jordan Henderson £16,000,000
Charlie Adam £7,000,000
Doni Free
Stewart Downing £20,000,000
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000
Craig Bellamy Free
Luis Suarez £23,000,000
Andrew Carroll £35,000,000
The outs will be equally baffling, to be fair they'd probably prefer having Kuyt and Maxi rodriguez compared to Downing
Dalglish and Comolis transfer policy was reckless and ridiculous.
Robby keane, 20 million.
Its unfair to single out Dalglish , there's been 20 years of it, the fact is they have spent more than us, in real and net terms since the inception of the premier league.
It's something Liverpool have to do at some point if they wanna take themselves forward.Gerrard is like a dead weight these days.Rodgers is a pussy
I'm convinced there must be something more to Liverpool's transfer policy than merely the managers, since there is just such an incredibly scatter gun approach to everything.
What's so strange about them is that they never pick up a bargain, which leads you to believe their scouting network outside of the UK is atrocious. Michu, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, even Cazorla were all easily within their budget, yet they all went to other clubs.
In addition to those failings, they have this bizarre notion of wanting to buy exclusively British players, but never the best ones. Take the £12m signing of Sturridge as an example. You could spend that on Zaha who by all accounts has a much higher ceiling. They want to sign Tom Ince who is also inferior to Zaha. It's baffling. Very few clubs have a seemingly deliberate policy of signing second rate players when better ones are available for similar fees.
What's so strange about them is that they never pick up a bargain, which leads you to believe their scouting network outside of the UK is atrocious. Michu, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, even Cazorla were all easily within their budget, yet they all went to other clubs.
In addition to those failings, they have this bizarre notion of wanting to buy exclusively British players, but never the best ones. Take the £12m signing of Sturridge as an example. You could spend that on Zaha who by all accounts has a much higher ceiling. They want to sign Tom Ince who is also inferior to Zaha. It's baffling. Very few clubs have a seemingly deliberate policy of signing second rate players when better ones are available for similar fees.
Reckon they know the top British players would rather sign for other clubs or would want to leave for a bigger club in a few years time which is why they choose to concentrate on signing second rate players.
I'm struggling to see two I'd want at United, Suarez based on football ability alone though I'd still say no due to him being a dick.
Top British players/talents would rather go to United. They were in for Young and Jones for example.
Even City, Chelsea and Arse are more favorable. We guarantee UCL football, better pays and trophies. Well not trophies in Arsenals case. Spuds have beaten them to a few targets too.
Also the best players from foreign leagues will hardly be excited at joining the 8th best team in England. Suarez aside.
Liverpool are competing for 2nd and 3rd tier players unless they get back in the UCL or do a City and get bought by a rich Sheikh.
Liverpool are historically a big club but players want to win things and want a big payday. Present day Liverpool offer none of those.
Enrique, perhaps? Not a definite, but I'd have him to add depth to lb.
In the last two years they have spent just over over 154mil
Signings since Jan 2011
Fabio Borini £10,000,000
Joe Allen £15,000,000
Oussama Assaidi £2,300,000
Samed Yesil £1,000,000
Daniel Sturridge £12,000,000
Jordan Henderson £16,000,000
Charlie Adam £7,000,000
Doni Free
Stewart Downing £20,000,000
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000
Craig Bellamy Free
Luis Suarez £23,000,000
Andrew Carroll £35,000,000
All three - Downing, Henderson and Carroll who's not even playing for them cost over £70,000 000...
Unreal.
The one I like is Sturridge & Borini total £22mil....RVP cost what, £24mil?
Vegard Forren looks to be their next signing.
He'll fit right in. They profess to love Forreners.
Yeah but to be fair, what wages are they on and what is RVP on? I'd argue the pair of them don't make up RVP's weekly wage.
£18 million upfront, with additional payments based on success.
From a club that was paying Joe Cole £100k nothing would surprise me.
I personally think for £18m and £17m respectively, they probably dodged a bullet with Young and Jones, since neither of them seem to be worth those sums. That's not to say they're bad players, but I don't think either would have significantly improved Liverpool.
They are still an attractive club for the simple reason that they still offer good money to players. Indeed, it's tough for them to be competing at the very highest level of the transfer market, but there's no reason why they can't attract talent from the Championship. Yes, they might get gazumped occasionally, but all too often they're not even in for the player to get beaten to him.
You'd have thought that the signing of Suarez would give them an idea of what they need to do. Sign one good player as opposed to two average ones. £22m on him will probably prove to be one of the best moves in the transfer market this decade since you can't see him leaving for much less than £35m, if he leaves at all.
Jones is 20 and was injured the end of last season and a better part of this season.
I didn't bother reading your post after '......Young and Jones' in the first line. You talk a lot of nonsense, if not all of it.
I didn't bother reading your post after '......Young and Jones' in the first line. You talk a lot of nonsense, if not all of it.
I completely disagree re Young and Jones, they would both significantly improve Liverpool. Young was on course for mom in my view yesterday until he got injured and is a much better winger than anything they have (Stirling was out of his depth yesterday) and Downing is ....... Well, just shit.
Jones has been injured and there is no reason why he won't recapture the form he had before injury when he was very, very effective. He's also very young and will be a united and England regular for years to come.
In the last two years they have spent just over over 154mil
Yet they portray themselves as paupers. Much easier to pretend you don't have the resources than to admit your managers(s) have failed in spectacular fashion.
Obviously they're better than what they have, but I don't see them two currently moving them from 9th to 4th, which was the point really.
Yeah I would be using Gerard more sparingly but allowing the fans to see his decline is one way of phasing him out. He is still a very good player but he is in decline. Same can be said of carragher. He needs to address these issues but not sure how he is a pussy. Rome wasnt built in a day.
154m gone would suggest that we are now not quite as well off as we were.
You think he is way forward and is doing a good job, Stick?
Young would have been a great signing for Liverpool. It very much feels like he should be there, helping his team fight for 6th place rather than the title.
Would have been genuinely pissed off if Pool landed Jones as he's a top talent but once we showed real interest there wasn't much choice to be made.
Would have been genuinely pissed off if Pool landed Jones as he's a top talent but once we showed real interest there wasn't much choice to be made.
They have been saying they don't have any money for years now. Even since Rodgers has came in they've been talking about it and yet, he's spent around fifty million. You can't blame resources when you are spending amounts of money that the vast majority of teams in the league don't have.
I think he can take Liverpool forward over the next 4 years to again challenge for a champions league spot. I wasnt happy with yesterdays showing. To be honest it lacked heart and a lot of quality but if we're realistic we could never expect to get much from OT with a couple of young lads in the team and a disjointed midfield. I think he certainly has his work cut out for him to get rid of some poor players which other managers paid over the odds for but I've been happy with some performances this year. I dont know if other liverpool fans will remain patient with him. He is singing the right tune but his inexperience may go against him. I could see him paying the price of taking the hard decisions at a club that needs to stop living in the past and develop the future.
What two players in that price range would take them from 9th to 4th. Not signing them is hardly dodging a bullet.
Dodging a bullet's a bit strong. But they could spend £35m better than that, for me. If you could get them for £20m, that'd be value for money.
I think he has made poor decisions with signings, letting players go and building the confidence of the ones already there. Sahin and Allen haven't turned out be very smart signings, the verdict is out on Borini and 'Ridges is a drunk assassin. Carroll was let go on loan before getting another striker. Even if he signed Dempsey, I don't know how he would have fit Rodgers "style of football". I don't think he has been very smart in handling Downing either. It wasn't very smart telling him that he was unwanted, worse start him at OT.
He is playing the tunes to appease the masses but hasn't actually done anything to improve Liverpool from last year yet. Hendo, Gerrard, Lucas, Shelvey - I don't know how they are going to fit in with his style. The young players are decent but I haven't seen any massive talent amongst them. Most of all, I think he is trying to fit square pegs in round holes instead of trying to play to his teams strength. I feel he may be out of his depth here.
It's a bit strange the way you put Rodgers "Style of football," in inverted commas and then state players that you feel wont fit in with his style. Rodgers style will be get his team winning. He got his players to play triangles a bit at Swansea but at all levels of football this is a useful way at retaining the ball and not a Rodgers innovation as some would have you believe.
I think some of the young lads he's blooded like Sterling and Wisdom are very raw and you're right they look decent players but they have potential and a few games for them in the first team can only be a confidence booster. Suso likewise has look a decent player who needs game time. What worries me is his early spats with Carroll and Downing. He has seemed to target players for abuse which are easy targets. I still can't see how people can judge Borini and Allen as poor players when one has been injured and the other has had a good start but has lost form and confidence in the last few games played.
Sturridge looks a good player to me. I'm not sure why Chelsea let him go but he could easily be a 20 goal a season player if he knuckles down. This season lets Rodgers get players that he can work with. Next season must see an improvement but such is modern football that he probably wont get that far.
It could have been worded a lot better. Both are significant upgrades on what they already have. (Jones as far as Carragher, Coates) So I think you're talking a lot of bollocks. They'd have both gotten plenty of game time under Dalglish last year.
It begs the question - "Do you think if the entire team ncluding manager was transplanted to Liverpool would they be getting the same results as last year?"
Rogers style of football is 4-3-3 and hasn't so far really shown much effort to adapt from playing 3 across the front to fit in certain players. Downing is not a wing forward so he has played at Left Back. Rather than playing Gerrard closer to goal where he is genuinely more effective he's playing deeper and 'pulling strings' because of the style that Rogers plays. (He has played a 3-6-1 come 3-5-2 as well I believe).
Asking Allen to perform in this scrutinized environment has shown what a poor investment he is. A large chunk of the apparent budget as well. A lot of money to be spending on a signing that really wasn't needed pre-season. (Lucas injury proved that it wasn't a total loss).
This is why a lot of the shit he is talking is less to do with his plans and player management and more dross to appease the fans and turn them away from the fact that he is trying to get the current squad to do what he wants in his system before then shipping what he can out and buying players to fit his system. This works on paper and in FIFA but he genuinely has to play Gerrard and Suarez for a start, of course they are great players but come rain hail and shine if one needs to go out of the team the fans will start to question why their 'star' players aren't playing. The biggest comparison to both of the positions at Liverpool and Swansea is that there is more pressure and he is coming into an already structured dressing room. He isn't taking a band of battlers above the odds into the breach. He's taking a core of has-been world class players with world class mentalities and attempting to get them to lower their expectations and still keep the dressing room happy.
It must be pretty fecking tough in truth. For all of our shit-talking of him.
Oh my God, I didn't realise Downing cost £20m!In the last two years they have spent just over over 154mil
Signings since Jan 2011
Fabio Borini £10,000,000
Joe Allen £15,000,000
Oussama Assaidi £2,300,000
Samed Yesil £1,000,000
Daniel Sturridge £12,000,000
Jordan Henderson £16,000,000
Charlie Adam £7,000,000
Doni Free
Stewart Downing £20,000,000
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000
Craig Bellamy Free
Luis Suarez £23,000,000
Andrew Carroll £35,000,000
I thought you were taking the piss, so I double checked on Google.
In the last two years they have spent just over over 154mil
Signings since Jan 2011
Fabio Borini £10,000,000 = Didn't look up to much before his injury.
Joe Allen £15,000,000 = Knock £10 million off the price tag and it wouldn't look too bad.
Oussama Assaidi £2,300,000 Has he even played?
Samed Yesil £1,000,000 = Supposed to an exciting prospect, but I've only read that and it was Liverpool fans saying it so who knows?
Daniel Sturridge £12,000,000 = Could be good, could be bad. Too early to say.
Jordan Henderson £16,000,000 = The invisible man.
Charlie Adam £7,000,000 = Waste of space.
Doni Free = Who?
Stewart Downing £20,000,000 = Absolute disaster.
Sanchez Jose Enrique £6,300,000 = Started off well, then tailed off, then picked up a bit. Okay.
Sebastian Coates £7,000,000 = There was talk of him going out on loan last week. He's young though so I wouldn't write him off yet.
Craig Bellamy Free = He was decent for them.
Luis Suarez £23,000,000 = Brilliant player.
Andrew Carroll £35,000,000 = Christ almighty....
Some amount of money wasted there.
Borini cost 10 million? Thought he was like a 3 or 4 mil punt. He's fecking garbage. As a previous poster mentioned their scouting system is woeful.
How much did Chelsea make out of Sturridge? Can't believe they actually made a profit out of a player for once.
Dont you dare disparage Daniel Sturridge, along with Glen Johnson, he is the only player at Liverpool to have won the PL. Glen of course has 2 medals.
As for the transfer...
So,
Bought for
3.5mil + 2mil(he made 55 1st team appearances) + 1mil for senior international appearance = 6.5mil.
sold for
12mil - but City to get 15% of that, so another 1.8mil
Transfer profit for Chelsea - 12mil - 8.3mil = 3.7mil
With the signing of Sturridge Liverpool are almost approaching £600m of player purchases since the Premier League started
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/liverpool-transfers.html
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/liverpool-transfers.html
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