That's really not much considering he's been here for five transfer windows, one of those when we've been in the CL.
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That's really not much considering he's been here for five transfer windows, one of those when we've been in the CL.
He looks like a shark. The gap between his eyes are wider than the Suez Canal
Wasn't necessarily a criticism, i was just surprised. Over 3 seasons that is still £40m.
That doesn't sound right does it, including the £65-£75 million Suarez transfer?
Interestingly, you'd probably have to go back to Wenger's 97/98 side to find the last team to improve so significantly between two seasons.
Rodgers has spent a bit but that's no issue if the team looks to be improving. It's if results remain dodgy that money becomes an issue.
...and goals. Lots of goals.
12/13: Net: £41m
13/14 Net: £20m
14/15 Net: £44m
Total: £101m
His gross spend since he started there though is £210m
Sure Rickie Lambert will subside Suarez's goals from last season.
I know but Liverpool fans make out he is excellent.
I don't understand how Liverpool are expected to do so well in the future if United, Arsenal and Chelsea have a considerably better manager and also better squad and finances and also City being as powerful as they are.
The only logical way I can see Liverpool doing well is if Rodgers is one of the best managers in the world. I'm just trying to rationalise this, that's all.
You're subsiding the goalposts.
Will another genius realise too late for a top 4 finish that 352 is a fcked up tactic? I'm hoping not before November at the very least. All managers have their patience card to play.
Straw man alert.
Whats so funny?
Dunno, Times is usually reliable.
He has done an excellent job. Whether that makes him excellent or not is less of a concern.
I'm happy for better managers to manage their teams to lower finishes in the league.
He's in his third season at a club where it's possible to make a real mark. He's showing signs that's he's the best young manager in the country. To throw experienced, successful names at this thread is a bit cheap. It's like having a go at Januzaj for not having won as much as Rooney.
They're not, well apart from delusional Liverpool fans thinking that. City, United, Chelsea and Arsenal are all in a much better position then Liverpool.
Unless Chelsea or City's owners get bored and pull the plug, or Liverpool get massive investment, then seasons like last will be anomalies, rather then the norm.
Absolutely.
This reads like some parody of itself. The assured nature of such a post, given the delusional inaccuracy on here regarding Liverpool's past year, is quite staggering.
I haven't said anything regarding Liverpool's last season in that post. I'm talking about the overall picture. And that is that United, City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all in a better position to be successful in the long term then Liverpool. Whether you want to admit that or not is your choice.
Of those teams Rodgers is by far and away the most likely to be still in post in 5 years' times. That is a significant positive which is cause for optimism, not to mention the trajectory of the rise in quality in the past 18 months. Whether you want to acknowledge these factors as significant or not is your choice.
I'm not talking about him having no trophies, I'm talking about his ability. Surely he needs to hit that level soon if Liverpool will have a successful period over the next 5 or 6 seasons.
He has done an excellent job but getting you where you are is one thing, maintaining that level is more difficult. To do this one would think he needs to be an excellent manager.
I have not followed his career so I'm not sure of his ability, I'm just trying to understand why Liverpool fans are so confident. I think it's apparent the squad is weaker than the other top four contenders and also the finances not as strong so I just figured perhaps Rodgers had also done exceptionally well at his previous clubs like Mourinho prior to Chelsea or Ferguson prior to United, to show he is going to show everybody this season and in the next few that he belongs in that group.
This makes more sense.
Oh well, I'm not sure how the millions of pounds and world class players of City/United/Chelsea will be able to compete with the might of Bredan Rodgers over the next 5 years. We might as well pack it all in now.
Look, on a serious note, Rodgers has done a great job at Liverpool (though it pains me to admit it). And he deserves a lot of credit, but there is a limit to where he can take you. Rightly or wrongly, nowadays the winner will, bar the odd exception like Athletico last year, be the clubs with the most money. The clubs that can buy the best players and pay them the most money will always win long term. Look at Chelsea, they've had god knows how many managers over the last 10 years and have kept on being successful, same goes to Madrid. City too.
The days of building longevity, and stability, being the key component to a successful club are gone. Thats why there is a ceiling to how far Rodgers can take you, without significant financial backing, which you don't have right now. At least not on the scale of United, City and Chelsea.
Wenger and Van Gaal aren't amongst the top five contemporary managers, never mind being two of the greatest ever.
Both will be/are regarded as two of the best managers of their era. They are part of a plethora of managers that can be talked about as part of that higher echelon. Obviously neither are as good or successful as the likes of Fergie or Mourinho, but both are certainly up there in that group.
They can be considered established at the top level but they won't go down as greats. They are in the tier below Ferguson, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Capello etc.
Last season Liverpool came second while United and Chelsea attempted to find their feet. Instability and managerial changes hurt teams, see United right now. Smooth transitions between managers isn't common so keeping a high quality manager while the other top sides play manager top trumps is certainly a significant positive in Liverpool's favour.
I consider Liverpool to have unearthed a gem in Rodgers. Not simply because he has his team playing arguably the league's best football and not just because of his ability to get players to improve but because everything about him indicates 'long term'. This isn't a manager de jour here as part of a trans-European junket. I firmly believe his capacity to stick around offers a lot to be optimistic about.
They've got a romantic belief that this is re-run of history and Rodgers is yesterdays Ferguson today, nice sentiment but footballs moved on, perhaps Liverpool fans should too.
You've basically just described Arsene Wenger.
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Come on...he'd bugger off to Spain before you could say 'Rosetta Stone'.
Exactly, you've almost just described your biggest problem. Basically, in the year when two of the three British heavyweights struggled, you still couldn't win the league. Without the financial muscle, the only chance you'll have of winning it is other teams all underperforming. And whats the chances of all three of United/City/Chelsea all underperforming at the same time, throughout the same season, to the point that allows you to come through and win it? Last season was the best chance you had, and you blew it.
As for all this Rodgers is a gem, Rodgers is the next God. We've heard it all before. First it was Houlier, then Benitez was the second coming, then Daglish was going to come back and destroy Ferguson's empire. Its just the usual romantic nonsense spouted by those who don't want to accept that football has moved on, and is all about money and power nowadays. And while you have four teams in the league with more of both, you will struggle to be the top dog.
...or even Top Cat.
I don't agree. I think he would have gone for it, just not left the team defenceless.
You are forgetting that liverpool have strengthened their squad greatly in the summer though, give them a year or two till the likes of sterling, markovic, coutinho, sturridge and ibe mature and they will be a force to reckon with.
I think liverpool have one of the youngest squads in the league as well and its pretty impressive that they are playing as well as they are while blooding in academy products and youngsters from all over europe.
Rodgers took a side that finished seventh and were going to finish outside top six according to most/all predictions and got them to second and a hairbreadth away from winning the league.
You can argue that man utd/chelsea underperformed but that takes nothing away from the enormity of his achievement despite being a smug twat with an annoying face/voice.
And their fanbase,
The recent balotelli tweet summed it all. Making rodgers some kind of genius because of this exchange.Balotelli: I dont defend on corners.
Rodgers: You do now.
I mean wtf
Barring Gerrard's error at the end of last season we'd have won the league - that's the pinnacle isn't it? So talk about there being a 'ceiling' in terms of how far Rodgers can take us is nonsense.
As for 'significant financial backing', it's not as if we're Aston Villa for feck's sake. We have the financial capability and the will to pay for top players. Attracting them is the problem at the moment.
Remember when city humiliated us by a four goal margin because we kept on attacking instead of shutting shop?
Shutting up shop when you are already losing and shutting up shop to secure the win are completely different things.
Rodgers was losing the title while we were losing the match, whats the difference in the mentality?
Oh don't be pedantic. There was still a game to be player and a smart manager would recognise that 3 points would have heaped the pressure on City going into the last game. At 3-0, fine go for another, at 3-1 you shut up shop.
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