Norris
Full Member
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2015
- Messages
- 7,404
Shame if he's going to Schalke. Probably not the best club to go to even for his development.
@bucky will have a meltdown
I'm genuinely confused why people think buying Embolo would halt or stall Rashford's development. Strangest of logic that.
But it was like 1 sentence long. It was as if he mentioned just so he can say "I told you United were in for him" if United did sign him. I very much doubt it was his information.
Wow. I don't visit this thread for a few days and "discussions" like that happen.I'm more confused by those who think we should buy him and loan him out until he reaches his said potential so that we thought have to pay £45m for in a couple of years.
I'm genuinely confused why people think buying Embolo would halt or stall Rashford's development. Strangest of logic that.
If that's going to be the reasoning, we might as well stop pursuing promising teenagers altogether. Martial was brought in last year more with an eye to the future, but he's pretty much made himself first team material. Memphis came in with a bigger rep and has stalled quite a bit. Talent mixed with the ethic will always find a way to play more games. He's got the talent (although I understand many will dispute that as well) and if he has the work ethic, game time will really not be a problem.It would probably stall Embolo's development more than anything else, as he wouldn't play enough to improve with Rashford, Lingard, et al already in the equation.
Haven't watched enough Arsenal to disagree.
What is it with the snotty attitude of the German twitter guys.
If that's going to be the reasoning, we might as well stop pursuing promising teenagers altogether. Martial was brought in last year more with an eye to the future, but he's pretty much made himself first team material. Memphis came in with a bigger rep and has stalled quite a bit. Talent mixed with the ethic will always find a way to play more games. He's got the talent (although I understand many will dispute that as well) and if he has the work ethic, game time will really not be a problem.
The same logic could have been used for Bailly really. He's only 22, but his introduction might see game time for TFM reduced as well.
Not really. The only young player who has done that is Martial and more recently Rashford. Even in Martial's case, he was competing against Memphis. The others haven't even come close to challenging other established players. Memphis has struggled. Januzaj has not been anywhere close to the first team and Pereira is further back. Wilson is still finding his feet. If Embolo were to sign, his major competition would be Young and Lingard and I fancy him over the other two. His development would not get stalled and neither would Rashford's.How ridiculous. We already have an abundance of youth who are challenging established veteran players for playing time. Why exacerbate the situation by adding yet another who would probably not see the light of day under Mourinho any way.
Not really. The only young player who has done that is Martial and more recently Rashford. Even in Martian's case, he was competing against Memphis. The others haven't even come close to challenging other established players. Memphis has struggled. Januzaj has not been anywhere close to the first team and Pereira is further back. Wilson is still finding his feet. If Embolo were to sign, his major competition would be Young and Lingard and I fancy him over the other two. His development would not get stalled and neither would Rashford's.
And why would he not see the light of day under Mourinho ? He would have been the one to approve it had he joined.
Agreed. He's seems a good talent, but he'd be lost at United right now.Not really. It's a decent move for his career. IMO Gladbach would have been better for him though. It will be a lot more difficult to get him in a few years time, if he continues his development, which I expect him to do. I was hoping that we would secure him early, but it's probably best for him and us. Even if we would have signed him, loaning him to a Bundesliga club would have been logical. Hopefully it means we are going to sign players, who are further ahead in their development or the finished product already.
Why?Shame if he's going to Schalke. Probably not the best club to go to even for his development.
He was never going to come here at that price. Consider: Shaw was a boyhood Chelsea fan but:
"If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead," Mourinho said. "We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room."
- Mourinho explains why he vetoed a £25 million move to Chelsea
That was after Shaw had an entire season playing left back in the Premiership. So who'd believe Mourinho would sign Embolo for £20 million, who had no form at all at the highest competitive level.
What @Cassidy said (remember Mourinho defense on Falcao recruit? Mourinho wants different forward but defended the player he had in hand).He was never going to come here at that price. Consider: Shaw was a boyhood Chelsea fan but:
"If we pay to a 19-year-old boy what we were being asked for, to sign Luke Shaw, we are dead," Mourinho said. "We would have killed our stability with financial fair play and killed the stability in our dressing room."
- Mourinho explains why he vetoed a £25 million move to Chelsea
That was after Shaw had an entire season playing left back in the Premiership. So who'd believe Mourinho would sign Embolo for £20 million, who had no form at all at the highest competitive level.
He just said that because he didn't get his man.
Totally agree.Good, I saw nothing in him that we dont already have.
Sane was the RW i wish we went for.
That would partly explain why what he said would be a long-term stay turned anything but.What @Cassidy said (remember Mourinho defense on Falcao recruit? Mourinho wants different forward but defended the player he had in hand).
Also Chelsea is bound by FFP. Mourinho needed other signings too so couldn't throw the money into a left back like us. We have the British pride and financial infrastructure to buy Shaw and in long run make money out of his name and cover the fee. Chelsea can't compete in that aspect.
Shit got worse for Mourinho and Chelsea as their DoF refused Mourinho request and signed his own players! That's the story even Chelsea fans admitted.
Also Mourinho was not really afforded the long term role at Chelsea by that kind of approach from the DoF/ board at Chelsea. Here at United, he is rumored to have full power in transfer, and we know our board prefer a long term planning approach.