Television Breaking Bad

Funnily enough I did wonder at the time why Todd left the dead kid part out of the heist story and it cropped up in the last episode when chief redneck said "Jack you need to come and see this."

I think the writers may have wanted us to think that killing a kid would land Todd in the shit with the rest of the gang. But then I have to reconcile that with their actions prior to that which is why it didn't really work.

I can't think of any other real reason for it. It certainly wasn't some meta comment on a section of the shows fans.
 
nahealai said:
Their arc was ridiculous. Definitely the worst aspect of the show, for me.

I also was a little miffed about one aspect of last night's installment; the series to date had been progressing at break-neck speed despite not much time lapsing in the show, e.g. Hank realising Walt was Heisenberg in a matter of hours. Then last night, with the DEA and, we're told, half the country knowing Walt was Heisenberg, a whole MONTH passed by in the show without anything happening! The vacuum-cleaner guy left Walt and told him he'd see him in a month, which was almost the very next scene. Really?

Beyond ridiculous.
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What about criminals loaded with cash that use handcuffs you can open with a paperclip? If that's not a cliché I don't know what is.
 
Cina said:
It's an odd thing to find ridiculous though, seeing as absolutely nothing happened with Walt in those 2 months.
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How about some scenes detailing the affect Hank and Gomie's disappearance/murder is having on the DEA and their respective families. It made no sense at all to completely shirk that alone.
 
nahealai said:
Their arc was ridiculous. Definitely the worst aspect of the show, for me.

I also was a little miffed about one aspect of last night's installment; the series to date had been progressing at break-neck speed despite not much time lapsing in the show, e.g. Hank realising Walt was Heisenberg in a matter of hours. Then last night, with the DEA and, we're told, half the country knowing Walt was Heisenberg, a whole MONTH passed by in the show without anything happening! The vacuum-cleaner guy left Walt and told him he'd see him in a month, which was almost the very next scene. Really?

Beyond ridiculous.
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What was ridiculous about it? Walt had to go into hiding. If time had elapsed at it's normal pace we would've been treated to a season of Walt sitting in a shed watching Mr Magorium's Wonder Emporium. That would've been enthralling.
 
nahealai said:
Their arc was ridiculous. Definitely the worst aspect of the show, for me.

I also was a little miffed about one aspect of last night's installment; the series to date had been progressing at break-neck speed despite not much time lapsing in the show, e.g. Hank realising Walt was Heisenberg in a matter of hours. Then last night, with the DEA and, we're told, half the country knowing Walt was Heisenberg, a whole MONTH passed by in the show without anything happening! The vacuum-cleaner guy left Walt and told him he'd see him in a month, which was almost the very next scene. Really?

Beyond ridiculous.
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It was more than a month. That wasn't his first return visit.
 
nahealai said:
How about some scenes detailing the affect Hank and Gomie's disappearance/murder is having on the DEA and their respective families. It made no sense at all to completely shirk that alone.
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It won't be. We'll find out about it in the finale I'm sure.
 
nahealai said:
How about some scenes detailing the affect Hank and Gomie's disappearance/murder is having on the DEA and their respective families. It made no sense at all to completely shirk that alone.
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Who the feck would've wanted to see the effect of that on characters we haven't seen before? Thank God you don't write on the show.
 
nahealai said:
How about some scenes detailing the affect Hank and Gomie's disappearance/murder is having on the DEA and their respective families. It made no sense at all to completely shirk that alone.
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nahealai said:
How about some scenes detailing the affect Hank and Gomie's disappearance/murder is having on the DEA and their respective families. It made no sense at all to completely shirk that alone.
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Where do you suppose they fit this in with the time they have?
 
Eboue said:
The circle jerk around this show is incredible. OMG VINCE GILLIGAN DID THAT ON PURPOSE. WOW. BRYAN CRANSTON FOR ALL THE AWARDS
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Dudeeee...

 
A business big enough that it could be listed on the NASDAQ goes belly up. Disappears! It ceases to exist without me.
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Could he have been referring to Grey Matter rather than Madrigal (Los Pollos)?

Any change Madrigal is a subsidiary of Grey Matter?

Scratching at straws I know.. I still think that he had an affair with Gretchin.

Maybe Walt Jr is Gretchin's son, but because Gretchin isn't black then Skylar never figures it out and thinks she is the mother?

Oh wait, that only works on blokes. feck.
 
This show has been amazing, obviously. But am I the only one who is a little underwhelmed by the nazis? If the show ends with Walt / Jesse killing them, I'm not sure I will feel that sense of triumph the writers are presumably aiming for.

We just don't know enough about the nazi gang and their motivations. What are they after? How did they come to be like they that? What are the internal dynamics of the gang? They seem totally hollow characters.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
This show has been amazing, obviously. But am I the only one who is a little underwhelmed by the nazis? If the show ends with Walt / Jesse killing them, I'm not sure I will feel that sense of triumph the writers are presumably aiming for.

We just don't know enough about the nazi gang and their motivations. What are they after? How did they come to be like they that? What are the internal dynamics of the gang? They seem totally hollow characters.
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I am on board with this, I didn't want Nazis to be a central to the ending but unfortunately this is what it is. At least they should have showed them a lot earlier, around the start of the season.

Only consolation probably is that they're shown completely as Todd's tools and nothing more and so far have said yes to all orders Todd has given and Todd is someone we know a lot more and has interacted enough with the main characters. It's mainly his downfall I am concerned in, and the nazis are just a follow up of that, specially after what he did in last episode I think the sense of triumph in his death would be something that was aimed.
 
They're not really there for you to care about though. They're there to provide a motivation/resolution for Walt and Jesse. That's the triumph the writers are going for. Presumably rationalising that a more nuanced, and possibly charismatic foe would take away from what this season's about - Walt's consequences.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
This show has been amazing, obviously. But am I the only one who is a little underwhelmed by the nazis? If the show ends with Walt / Jesse killing them, I'm not sure I will feel that sense of triumph the writers are presumably aiming for.

We just don't know enough about the nazi gang and their motivations. What are they after? How did they come to be like they that? What are the internal dynamics of the gang? They seem totally hollow characters.
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I agree.. I feel the only 'win' Walt could have got that would have been a decent ending would have been killing Gus. He was perhaps the greatest antagonist we've seen on TV, and it would have been a fitting ending, with him being able to walk relatively free from it all and have the money and shit - Heisenberg couldn't walk away though, cause Heisenberg is a dick.

A while back I wondered whether perhaps Walt could somehow give Jesse/Skylar the opportunity to kill him using the risen , but I don't think there's time for that. Whether it would have fit in with the series I couldn't decide - Walt would have a sense that he had a hand in his own death and consented to it, but gave the opportunity to somebody who he cares about.

Remember him setting his stacks of money on fire then chucking them into the pool? He doesn't want anybody but his family enjoying this money, and if that isn't possible then maybe he'd just be happy to see it burn, and him burn along with it.
 
I think the reason the conclusion of Season 4 was so strong was because we cared about both sides of the equation, Walt and Gus. That was like winning the title away at City. Season 5 is more like winning the title against Wigan.
 
Hank and Walt were the two sides of the equation for most of this season. Or a Hank, Walt, Jesse triumvirate.
 
He'll fake suicide, then collapse clutching his chest outside a grave yard while watching his funeral finish with nobody but Skylar (or Gretchin, Jesse, Walt Jr.) attending and one flower laid upon the grave.
 
It's still tough to say who the two sides would be in the end. Jesse hasn't really forgiven Walt, Skylar last saw Walt after a fight where she cut him.
 
Skylar in court, prosecution are ripping into her and she is denying knowing anything - and Walt waltzes (dead clever, right?) in through big doors already handcuffed. He's already taken the risen, and has time enough to protect Skylar and dies on his own terms.

How many posts before I am guaranteed to have guessed the correct ending?

Nuke?
 
Also, what are the odds on him repeating his maniacal laugh from under the floor boards in Season 4, as(if) he's dying.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
This show has been amazing, obviously. But am I the only one who is a little underwhelmed by the nazis? If the show ends with Walt / Jesse killing them, I'm not sure I will feel that sense of triumph the writers are presumably aiming for.

We just don't know enough about the nazi gang and their motivations. What are they after? How did they come to be like they that? What are the internal dynamics of the gang? They seem totally hollow characters.
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I don't think it'll end like that. Jesse's the real draw there. He either kills Jesse, gets Jesse back on-side, or Jesse kills him. It won't just be Walt killing the nazis (or vice versa I doubt) and that's it.
 
I think it will be Walt killing the Nazis, Lydia then freeing Jesse so his legacy will live one in some way. Then being caught so he can get all the glory he wants, become a legend and die.
 
Don't know if its been posted already, but Aaron Paul gave a pretty big hint on his twitter account to what sort of style the final show will be like. Lets just say it looks to be an all action finale.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Don't know if its been posted already, but Aaron Paul gave a pretty big hint on his twitter account to what sort of style the final show will be like. Lets just say it looks to be an all action finale.
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Bryan said it would be a holocaust, expect plenty to depart.
 
Liam147 said:
I don't think it'll end like that. Jesse's the real draw there. He either kills Jesse, gets Jesse back on-side, or Jesse kills him. It won't just be Walt killing the nazis (or vice versa I doubt) and that's it.
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Exactly. And as Mockney pointed out the real draw of this last 8 episodes was Hank vs Walt which was something we all wanted to see.

Gus was a great villain but I think the last 2 episodes in particular are up there with the best the show has ever had. Oddly (for such a peripheral character) I found the Andrea murder the most brutal moment of the entire series. That was just cold.
 
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