Television Breaking Bad

Great episode, but they really should've ended it a bit earlier. Just after a few bullets were fired would've been much better imo.
 
It was leading upto a perfect end for Hank...he got his man, said he loved his wife and as soon as the nazi's show up I thought this is it. Surely they won't kill him off now though, it will be a bit daft if he dies at the start of he next episode.
 
Any odds on huell turning up to save the day by blocking out the sun so Walt can escape into the night?
 
It was leading upto a perfect end for Hank...he got his man, said he loved his wife and as soon as the nazi's show up I thought this is it. Surely they won't kill him off now though, it will be a bit daft if he dies at the start of he next episode.

It would seem odd for them to kill off Hank at the start of the next episode. It surely won't have the emotional resonance with the audience if it happens cold, as opposed to with the lead-in of his personal success and moment with Marie?
 
The only annoying thing about the ending is the fact that it's the same Nazi's that obliterated that other gang in the desert. For their aim to have gone to shit all of a sudden is a bit weird. The episode should either have ended with their cars rolling in or with Hank and Gomez dead as Walt screams in the back of Hank's car.
 
It was leading upto a perfect end for Hank...he got his man, said he loved his wife and as soon as the nazi's show up I thought this is it. Surely they won't kill him off now though, it will be a bit daft if he dies at the start of he next episode.

He got him handcuffed but what could Hank actually prove though? Ok they will find his money but what hard evidence does he have on Walt?
 
If the Nazis had opened up and just fecking obliterated Hank it would have been probably the best BB episode ever, because it was absolutely superb right up to that point. Even if they ended it before they opened fire it would have been better.

This is really a minor criticism, as I said it was an incredible episode.


Yeah, I agree with that.

There was an air of foreboding in that last 15 minutes that never paid off. They should've followed through on it with Hank and Gomie being wasted as Walt screamed for them to be spared.

Maybe then start the next episode with Walt telling them to take Jessie as their cook....but then would they really have a need for Walt?
 
He got him handcuffed but what could Hank actually prove though? Ok they will find his money but what hard evidence does he have on Walt?

$80m with Walt's fingerprints and Jessie's testimony is hardly shit evidence. It would take a very stubborn juror to say 'well, his explanation as to how the fingerprints got there makes sense'.
 
Yeah, I agree with that.

There was an air of foreboding in that last 15 minutes that never paid off. They should've followed through on it with Hank and Gomie being wasted as Walt screamed for them to be spared.

Maybe then start the next episode with Walt telling them to take Jessie as their cook....but then would they really have a need for Walt?

I was thinking that Walt will be back to square one, possibly having to cook again or be killed.
 
He got him handcuffed but what could Hank actually prove though? Ok they will find his money but what hard evidence does he have on Walt?


Admittance to murder and poisoning a child. Fairly substantial I'd say.
 
It would seem odd for them to kill off Hank at the start of the next episode. It surely won't have the emotional resonance with the audience if it happens cold, as opposed to with the lead-in of his personal success and moment with Marie?

Unless they want to shift focus from their death to Walt's guilt? If the episode opens with Walt staring at Hank's dead body, realising it's his fault. Then the nazis move to kill Jesse, who Walt now realises he can't stand to see being killed as there's no point anymore. So he makes a deal with the Nazis...
 
Heh I wouldn't mind hank and Gomez dying in the beginning of the next episode. Not that I dislike hank but it would have quite an impact given you just saw them sort of survival he initial bullet fest.
 
Unless they want to shift focus from their death to Walt's guilt? If the episode opens with Walt staring at Hank's dead body, realising it's his fault. Then the nazis move to kill Jesse, who Walt now realises he can't stand to see being killed as there's no point anymore. So he makes a deal with the Nazis...


There's surely no way they can kill a major character like Hank 'off screen'. That'd be nonsensical.
 
I think Gomez should've died.

One thing I've always found a bit annoying is their reluctance to kill off major characters in this.
 
I was certain Hank would get a bullet straight to the chest when they started the shooting. It would have been the perfect end for his characther after he finally got his salvation and victory.

Seeing as they chose to keep him alive, I can't see any way they'll kill him off in the beginning of the next episode, it won't have anywhere near the same emotional impact like if he had been shot down the second the bullets started flying.


Also, Walt might be on the run because he's under-arrest and Hank, who survives, reveals this.

I'm with you Top, by god against all my sense but I'm with you.
 
There's surely no way they can kill a major character like Hank 'off screen'. That'd be nonsensical.

Yeah, but it makes equally little sense to have them survive that shootout. Seeing them get killed at the start of next weeks episode would be strange too, would they really reduce the impact just so they can have this cliffhanger?
 
Why did Todd's people show up anyway? Just for the lols or did they think he was being forced to call it off or something?
 
I did think Hank should've died, it seemed like basically the perfect time for him to go after the phone call with Marie.

Most of all though, you'd think some of those feckers could shoot a gun!
 
Well it validates it to yourself. To me it validates my opinion that you're at a massive disadvantage in not enjoying brilliant episodes like that. I wouldn't watch next weeks either tbh, considering it's called Ozymandias. Just skip to the end. (Cheer up, it's drama 101 to put your character at his lowest before giving him any kind of "victory")

I also thought the last 15 minutes or so were brilliantly shot. Those insane action movie zoom ins made it fittingly cinematic. Though the similarly action movie inability for anyone to hit anyone with heavy artillery was a bit pffft. Minor quibbles though.

I'm now shipping for Todd & Lydia. Toddia. OMG. LOLZ.

I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy it, I'm saying I enjoyed the episodes where Walt was winning more. The shootout at the end was brilliant, but I didn't really enjoy Walt giving himself up. Did anyone? It seemed a little flat. Obviously that wasn't going to be the end, but it still seemed flat. If I'm wanting Hank to win, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed the arrest a whole lot more.
 
I'm probably missing something obvious but how did Hank, Gomez and Jesse follow Walt? Did they track his phone or what? Is that why Walt took the card out?
 
Why did Todd's people show up anyway? Just for the lols or did they think he was being forced to call it off or something?



Why wouldn't they show up? They knew Jessie was there and then they knew something dodgy was going on with Walts sudden 180. Christ, you'd go there out of curiosity if nothing else.

I'm struggling to see how they can write Hank and Gomie surviving this shootout without it feeling really contrived.

Naturally Jessie can be spared as they can use him as a cook.
 
Perhaps they want Jesse instead? They know Walt won't cook for them now.
What's the point in going out there and risking their lives in the process? I know the aryan gang saw him sitting in the car but I think it was to let the viewer know he would get 'the rat treatment'.

That was a bad ass episode by the way.
 
I'm not saying that I didn't enjoy it, I'm saying I enjoyed the episodes where Walt was winning more. The shootout at the end was brilliant, but I didn't really enjoy Walt giving himself up. Did anyone? It seemed a little flat. Obviously that wasn't going to be the end, but it still seemed flat. If I'm wanting Hank to win, I'm sure I'd have enjoyed the arrest a whole lot more.


You're an odd one Liam.

I was all over the place with that one. Hated Walt for using Andrea and Brock to draw out Jesse, loved him spazzing out whilst Jesse was winding him up on the phone then felt sorry for him when he realised the game was up, even more so when Todd and crew showed up and it looked like curtains for Hank.

Was I enjoying it right?
 
You're an odd one Liam.

I was all over the place with that one. Hated Walt for using Andrea and Brock to draw out Jesse, loved him spazzing out whilst Jesse was winding him up on the phone then felt sorry for him when he realised the game was up, even more so when Todd and crew showed up and it looked like curtains for Hank.

Was I enjoying it right?

Don't be like that.

I'd say I appreciated Walt going mad over his money, but I wasn't enjoying him being conned like I did when he conned/trapped Hank with the confession. You still appreciate it all, I just find it better when your character's getting his own way. That's all I've tried to put across all along.
 
Heh I wouldn't mind hank and Gomez dying in the beginning of the next episode. Not that I dislike hank but it would have quite an impact given you just saw them sort of survival he initial bullet fest.

That might be how Hank and Gomie end up dead in the next episode. Both sides run out of ammo, the Nazis are tooled up though so probably have more while Hank and Gomie are behind the jeep with empty guns, helpless.
 
Admittance to murder and poisoning a child. Fairly substantial I'd say.
That's assuming they recorded the conversation, and even if they did would it be admissible because it was a off the record investigation? Also if there are tapes of the conversation given Hank and Gomez current predicament I doubt they will see the light of day.

That said they could still be alive....
 
I think Gomez should've died.

One thing I've always found a bit annoying is their reluctance to kill off major characters in this.


Might end up dead at the start of the next episode. Although I'm not sure why they'd do that, as it seems much more of an episode ending thing.

He'd bloody better, I bet that he'd die on that Betting Bad site.
 
I'm probably missing something obvious but how did Hank, Gomez and Jesse follow Walt? Did they track his phone or what? Is that why Walt took the card out?


I guess they tracked his phone call. That's why Jesse told him to stay on the line and not hang up, it's also why Walt took apart his phone when he realised they had tricked him.
 
I can see Walt bargaining for the life of Hank at least.

Perhaps he can convince them that Hank can be stitched up as Heisenburg and Jesse can be useful as a cook.
 
He got him handcuffed but what could Hank actually prove though? Ok they will find his money but what hard evidence does he have on Walt?


They have the money, Walt's fingerprints on the money and the fact that Walt led them to the money (indicating it was his). If you add that to Jesse's confession it's certainly enough to begin with. Then they can then look into the car wash, search the house, try to put pressure on Heull or Saul to talk etc.

It's not the entire case but it's solid physical evidence to base the case around. In real life it would be a pretty big win if you managed to trick a drug lord into leading you to their mountain of cash, they tend to keep that kind of thing on the down low.
 
The only annoying thing about the ending is the fact that it's the same Nazi's that obliterated that other gang in the desert. For their aim to have gone to shit all of a sudden is a bit weird. The episode should either have ended with their cars rolling in or with Hank and Gomez dead as Walt screams in the back of Hank's car.


I thought both of them were going to die before the episode end, it must be said. Somehow though with Jesse escaping implausible.