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I remember Gary and Phil Neville getting absolutely slaughtered for having no chance to make it at Utd due to how they played at 19 years of age.

Brandon Williams looks like a player in the making but I don't think he'll ever have the ability to get the kind of assists that fullbacks at Liverpool get, and the way the game is going, I'm not sure having the new Gary Neville is good enough anymore.

But Williams seems like the type who'll do anything to adapt his game to add more assists in there.
 
Brandon played well early in the season, and he recently got dealt a serious head injury. The pressure is on, his head is still probably not fully there, and besides the last game he played decent. I don't get how anyone can be hypercritical of a kid playing on the biggest stage in the country.
 
Class of 63 said:
Lose the attitude pal, and maybe learn how to read properly as well, I said There's more advantages than disadvantages having a talented right footer on the left as it opens up so many passing opportunities in 80% of the pitch erm because it's true. It was the true 50 years ago, and it will be true in 50 years time so none of this football has changed nonsense, you'll be telling me next there's no advantage in playing a left-footer on the right-wing next.
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I brought my attitude in response to yours. So if you want me to check my attitude, check yours first. And that 80% crap is just that. Crap. FB's attack down the flanks. To attack down the flanks it is a hell of a lot easier to do it if you are on your stronger foot when going to cross and not have to stop and cut back. If you are worried about being able to pass it inside, then all I can say is that if a LB can't pass with his right foot, then he shouldn't be playing professional football, never mind playing for Manchester United. On the defensive side of the pitch, if a winger is running at you, as a FB you want to force your attacker wide. Then when you do, it is a hell of a lot easier to tackle with your good foot, which will then be in front of the attacker and sweeping towards him (like AWB does). If you are on your wrong side, not many can make that tackle. Instead they try to go in heel first and that's when the back leg sweep or scissor action happens. But I guess you never thought about that because you want your "80% more passing options" because none of your left footed left back apparently can pass with their right foot...

As for the right footer on the left wing, this is exactly why you need a left footed LB. Unless you "Class of 63" is all about teaching narrow football and forget about widening the pitch...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I brought my attitude in response to yours. So if you want me to check my attitude, check yours first. And that 80% crap is just that. Crap. FB's attack down the flanks. To attack down the flanks it is a hell of a lot easier to do it if you are on your stronger foot when going to cross and not have to stop and cut back. If you are worried about being able to pass it inside, then all I can say is that if a LB can't pass with his right foot, then he shouldn't be playing professional football, never mind playing for Manchester United. On the defensive side of the pitch, if a winger is running at you, as a FB you want to force your attacker wide. Then when you do, it is a hell of a lot easier to tackle with your good foot, which will then be in front of the attacker and sweeping towards him (like AWB does). If you are on your wrong side, not many can make that tackle. Instead they try to go in heel first and that's when the back leg sweep or scissor action happens. But I guess you never thought about that because you want your "80% more passing options" because none of your left footed left back apparently can pass with their right foot...

As for the right footer on the left wing, this is exactly why you need a left footed LB. Unless you "Class of 63" is all about teaching narrow football and forget about widening the pitch...
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:lol::lol:

You said a RB has to be right-footed, and a LB has to be right-footed, I challenged it and tried to explain why, if that's attitude i'd suggest maybe forums aren't for you.

You've either never played the game, or if you did/do you obviously weren't blessed with the passing range that you'd appreciate the options that open up for a right-footed LB in 80% of the pitch, which would only be negated if the opposition had 5/6 or 7 left-footers in the team, which never happens.

And I never mentioned a right footer on the left wing.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Yes it's a fact. If not, then please do tell me why there are more advantages of having a right footed LB over a left footed LB. I'll be waiting patiently oh wise one...
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You can google Phillip Lahm's top 5 goals, he did that from LB position and Brandon already did one against Sheffield. When penetrating a right-footed LB has more advantages than a left-footed because they are unpredictable. How often Luke Shaw was always free when penetrating but found himself a little bit uncomfortable because he couldn't shoot with his right.
 
Well, shit, how did we let a barnstorming right footed LB in Ashley Young go so easily if he was so unpredictable?

Dear god, Brandon Williams is a decent player, has a future here, but he’s no Phil Lahm. He’s not even Phil Neville. Shaw is a better player right now than Williams is; hopefully both will continue to push the other through competition.
 
calodo2003 said:
Well, shit, how did we let a barnstorming right footed LB in Ashley Young go so easily if he was so unpredictable?

Dear god, Brandon Williams is a decent player, has a future here, but he’s no Phil Lahm. He’s not even Phil Neville. Shaw is a better player right now than Williams is; hopefully both will continue to push the other through competition.
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Tbf Ashley Young is scoring goals/assists for fun at Inter and he's still a LWB. You are out of the context anyway, no body compared him to Phillip Lahm, they are talking about Is there any advantages of being a Right Footed LB?
Yes, Phillip Lahm is the easy answer to mind, because he's the one who use the advantages of being right-footed LB. I'm not saying Brandon has the same level of him but in general being a right-footed LB do have some advantages.
 
Number32 said:
You can google Phillip Lahm's top 5 goals, he did that from LB position and Brandon already did one against Sheffield. When penetrating a right-footed LB has more advantages than a left-footed because they are unpredictable. How often Luke Shaw was always free when penetrating but found himself a little bit uncomfortable because he couldn't shoot with his right.
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Got to wonder how every LB in the world isn't right-footed then, since they are so unpredictable. I think innocuous is the word you are looking for.

Passing, attacking and defending down the line on the outside are the main role descriptions of a full back. A right-footed LB already has a big handicap because he can't do those as effectively as a left-footer of similar quality.
 
Number32 said:
Tbf Ashley Young is scoring goals/assists for fun at Inter and he's still a LWB. You are out of the context anyway, no body compared him to Phillip Lahm, they are talking about Is there any advantages of being a Right Footed LB?
Yes, Phillip Lahm is the easy answer to mind, because he's the one who use the advantages of being right-footed LB. I'm not saying Brandon has the same level of him but in general being a right-footed LB do have some advantages.
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But he ain’t doing it for us. We let him go. Young was better than Williams when he moves to Inter. Perhaps an off-footed outside back isn’t suited for us after all? I was simply replying to the post you made comparing the two’s goals, I didn’t make the initial comparison. Williams’ goal off his right foot was solid, but to expect that often while expecting a true LB shift is a bit diametrically opposed to itself.

Why do we need to have opposite footed outside backs? It seems like we are trying to complicate things a tad, to make things perfect when we struggle with the basics at times. I fully agree with having opp-footed wingers / midfielders / outside forwards, but our outside backs should be providing the width & delivering crosses; who cares if the one or two times they get a shot off through penetration & it’s on their weaker foot. Our wingers should be the ones penetrating & the outside backs overlapping. We are miles away from having this be an issue.

Evra did rather well being a left footed LB, who really cared that he couldn’t chip in with goals from his off foot? If we can’t stretch the field wide down the left & want to have two penetrating players from the left, where’s the balance or the unpredictability? It simply comes from Williams being right foot dominant? It seems we are trying to show horn this kid into the side for reasons that are somewhat laughable. He isn’t as good as Shaw now, hope he becomes that in the future, but I would rather see a left footed play as our LB.
 
Class of 63 said:
:lol::lol:

You said a RB has to be right-footed, and a LB has to be right-footed, I challenged it and tried to explain why, if that's attitude i'd suggest maybe forums aren't for you.

You've either never played the game, or if you did/do you obviously weren't blessed with the passing range that you'd appreciate the options that open up for a right-footed LB in 80% of the pitch, which would only be negated if the opposition had 5/6 or 7 left-footers in the team, which never happens.

And I never mentioned a right footer on the left wing.
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Are you going senile? You made mention of "next thing you're going to say a left footer can't play at right wing". So yes, you did mention it, and I used that point (or right footed left wingers) to enforce the fact that a LB should be left footed.

I have played since I was 4 years old, and as a right footed, I can pass with my left. So if I'm playing RB those "80% passing options" are still available. If I'm playing LB the width is taken away from me because even though I can pass with my left, my crossing isn't nearly as strong so I'm cutting back to my right when taking a person wide. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Look at the majority of teams and tell me if their LB is left footed and their RB right footed. If you say no, then you are lying. So once you figure that out, ask yourself why LB are left footed and RB are right footed...
 
Number32 said:
You can google Phillip Lahm's top 5 goals, he did that from LB position and Brandon already did one against Sheffield. When penetrating a right-footed LB has more advantages than a left-footed because they are unpredictable. How often Luke Shaw was always free when penetrating but found himself a little bit uncomfortable because he couldn't shoot with his right.
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Philip Lahm was an exceptional player and definitely not the norm. Dennis Irwin was as well. Those are few and far between. And it's not a FB job to be "unpredictable". A FB's job in attack is to offer the width. Are you seriously looking for ways for your FB to shoot? Goals by a FB are a bonus. FB's should be crossing, not looking to cut in and shoot. How narrow do you want the field to be? My god, I can't even believe I am having to have this conversation with not one person, but two. LB should be left footed and RB should be right footed. This isn't my opinion. Anyone who knows even the slightest about football knows that...
 
Champagne Football said:
I remember Gary and Phil Neville getting absolutely slaughtered for having no chance to make it at Utd due to how they played at 19 years of age.

Brandon Williams looks like a player in the making but I don't think he'll ever have the ability to get the kind of assists that fullbacks at Liverpool get, and the way the game is going, I'm not sure having the new Gary Neville is good enough anymore.

But Williams seems like the type who'll do anything to adapt his game to add more assists in there.
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Gary Neville? He was playing at Euro 96 at 20 as the first choice right back, so I don't think he ever got slaughtered.
 
Mcking said:
Got to wonder how every LB in the world isn't right-footed then, since they are so unpredictable. I think innocuous is the word you are looking for.

Passing, attacking and defending down the line on the outside are the main role descriptions of a full back. A right-footed LB already has a big handicap because he can't do those as effectively as a left-footer of similar quality.
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Yep, this is my massive concern with it. I know wrong foot wingers are all the rage, and all this cutting in business, but you don't want your left back and lft sided forward both like it, or you have no option wide.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Are you going senile? You made mention of "next thing you're going to say a left footer can't play at right wing". So yes, you did mention it, and I used that point (or right footed left wingers) to enforce the fact that a LB should be left footed.

I have played since I was 4 years old, and as a right footed, I can pass with my left. So if I'm playing RB those "80% passing options" are still available. If I'm playing LB the width is taken away from me because even though I can pass with my left, my crossing isn't nearly as strong so I'm cutting back to my right when taking a person wide. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Look at the majority of teams and tell me if their LB is left footed and their RB right footed. If you say no, then you are lying. So once you figure that out, ask yourself why LB are left footed and RB are right footed...
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Till such time as you can debate like an Adult i'll leave you alone with your ignorance.
 
Sandikan said:
Yep, this is my massive concern with it. I know wrong foot wingers are all the rage, and all this cutting in business, but you don't want your left back and lft sided forward both like it, or you have no option wide.
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I know this is going to sound controversial for some, but I don't think Williams stands a chance of ever becoming a regular for any team above average, unless he manages to establish himself in a position more conventional for a right-footer.

Many will mention the likes of Maldini, Lahm and Irwin, but those three were some of the best of their respective generations. You wouldn't even find many footballers from the same generation who were better players than they were, talk of defenders and fullbacks. There's no LB who was better than Maldini was in the years he played regardless of right or left foot, so no way he was ever going to be replaced by Milan or Italy.

For Williams on the other hand, I don't see him ever becoming anything more than decent. Decent won't cut it for a right-footer playing at LB, because another decent LB who is actually left-footed is going to show up at some point, and I reckon most managers would pick a left-footer over a right-footer for LB if they were of similar quality.

There are much more left-footed left backs of Williams' quality than Irwin and Maldini's quality.
 
Class of 63 said:
Till such time as you can debate like an Adult i'll leave you alone with your ignorance.
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You claimed to not say something you said and then have a whine about it when I point it out and I'm the one not able to talk like an adult? Give your head a shake. But I get it. You know you are wrong and aren't man enough to admit it so you're taking this route instead. Good riddance...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Are you going senile? You made mention of "next thing you're going to say a left footer can't play at right wing". So yes, you did mention it, and I used that point (or right footed left wingers) to enforce the fact that a LB should be left footed.

I have played since I was 4 years old, and as a right footed, I can pass with my left. So if I'm playing RB those "80% passing options" are still available. If I'm playing LB the width is taken away from me because even though I can pass with my left, my crossing isn't nearly as strong so I'm cutting back to my right when taking a person wide. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Look at the majority of teams and tell me if their LB is left footed and their RB right footed. If you say no, then you are lying. So once you figure that out, ask yourself why LB are left footed and RB are right footed...
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Having banter on here is fine getting annoyed at posters is fine but asking someone are they going senile to try and get one up on someone is bang out of order . If you find you are stooping to that level then it's time to stop the discussion.
Just my opinion
 
Tel074 said:
Having banter on here is fine getting annoyed at posters is fine but asking someone are they going senile to try and get one up on someone is bang out of order . If you find you are stooping to that level then it's time to stop the discussion.
Just my opinion
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He said something and then claimed he didn't say it when he clearly did. So he is either going senile and forgot or he's trolling me
 
SadlerMUFC said:
He said something and then claimed he didn't say it when he clearly did. So he is either going senile and forgot or he's trolling me
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Thats not the point and you know it . There are other ways of pointing out things to posters without saying things like that . Sweet Christ it's a football forum about opinions.

I'm sure you will be getting a PM from one of the admins soon enough anyhow
 
Tel074 said:
Thats not the point and you know it . There are other ways of pointing out things to posters without saying things like that . Sweet Christ it's a football forum about opinions.

I'm sure you will be getting a PM from one of the admins soon enough anyhow
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I hope you also replied to him about being rude to me seeing as you are some sort of vigilante for forum justice...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
Philip Lahm was an exceptional player and definitely not the norm. Dennis Irwin was as well. Those are few and far between. And it's not a FB job to be "unpredictable". A FB's job in attack is to offer the width. Are you seriously looking for ways for your FB to shoot? Goals by a FB are a bonus. FB's should be crossing, not looking to cut in and shoot. How narrow do you want the field to be? My god, I can't even believe I am having to have this conversation with not one person, but two. LB should be left footed and RB should be right footed. This isn't my opinion. Anyone who knows even the slightest about football knows that...
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Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but their job is to offer width because they usually don't have the same ability as an actual winger. If they were as talented at attacking as a great winger (provided that they were relegated to fb by an even greater winger), they would do more than just offer width. Of course, there are limitations as you don't want your FB to go to the other wing as your team would be screwed defensively. Plus there are situations where the winger is wide meaning a fb can go inside a bit. There are also times where its possible for a winger to be one of the leading attackers on a counter.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I hope you also replied to him about being rude to me seeing as you are some sort of vigilante for forum justice...
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He was using exactly the same rudeness as you where but you are the one who crossed the line . You really should have retracted your statement but I'm not surprised you haven't
 
Said it before and I'll say it again. Poor player with no future here. Not good enough for a right back and certainly not good enough at left back. Riding an average back up season on a omg it's an academy player season
 
Tel074 said:
He was using exactly the same rudeness as you where but you are the one who crossed the line . You really should have retracted your statement but I'm not surprised you haven't
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I don't have a statement to retract because it wasn't a statement. It was a question. I was concerned for his well being and wanted to make sure he was ok...
 
I’d like to ask some posters - if a player comes from our academy, is there ever any circumstance under which a supporter is entitled to watch him play (before the age of 25 or so) and form the opinion that he isn’t good enough for United? I’m very curious about this. It is never a reasonable conclusion to draw, so long as a player is ‘young’, and even if others tend to agree that they are not that good, it will then be proposed that, due to their attitude and understanding of the club, they at the minimum should just be left to grow into a squad player. Great performances will be hyped and used as evidence, and poor performances explained/mitigated.

For many, it seems there is no acceptable circumstance under which such player can simply be assessed as not good enough. It is of course perfectly acceptable to conclude young players at other teams, especially those linked to a transfer to United are not good enough. Or maybe a foreign kid signed into the academy (I’ve noticed it is perfectly fine to quickly conclude that Chong isn’t good enough, for example). But a British academy graduate, once entrusted with their debut, should at least be left to be assessed under perfect conditions, usually playing in the position of their choosing, having long uninterrupted spells in the team, never injured (otherwise post-injury performances don’t count, unless they are not shit of course), when they are at their maximum physical development and once they have played 3 or 4 full seasons. Until that happens, anyone who feels they aren’t good enough is jumped on. Then one day, as if almost overnight, a new academy player emerges, and they want the previously off-limits one out and replaced and the cycle repeats. Suddenly Wlebeck, Cleverley, Lingard go from being the ‘next whoever’ to dogs abuse. Surely, the more likely reality is that most of these players shipped out to teams far below our stature were likely never really good enough to be United players in the first place? Just seems that is never a viable suggestion.
 
If few ManUtd fans got what they wanted, Rashford would have been in championship. Works both ways.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
I don't have a statement to retract because it wasn't a statement. It was a question. I was concerned for his well being and wanted to make sure he was ok...
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You really are everything that's wrong with social media platforms
 
Surprised but glad he's been given the nod today after his absolute shocker against Chelsea.
 
Tel074 said:
You really are everything that's wrong with social media platforms
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Why, because he insulted me and then lied about what he said so I called him out for it? I was talking football. He took the thread sideways. Besides, aren't you now insulting me? I haven't insulted you once...
 
Big game for the lad. I’ve generally been impressed but looked like he was well off the pace last game after the nasty head injury.

Surprised we didn’t go with TFM but I’m sure he’ll do a job tonight!
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Big game for the lad. I’ve generally been impressed but looked like he was well off the pace last game after the nasty head injury.

Surprised we didn’t go with TFM but I’m sure he’ll do a job tonight!
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Fosu Mensah is starting
 
Hoping he shuts a few whiny mouths up with a decent performance tonight.
 
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