Borussia Dortmund 2016/17

do.ob said:
@giorno You're trying way too hard to squeeze everything into your little theory. Most of Dortmund's players are used to playing in a heated atmosphere, Sahin didn't even play that match and the team as a whole was completely oblivious to the crowd for most parts of the game, their game plan (controlling the lead) simply failed and because Liverpool had the necessary amount of good fortune Dortmund ended up bottling it.
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It was a mental breakdown. Suddenly finding themselves in a dog fight against a team of berserkers when they thought they had it under control. It wasn't so much the effect anfield had on the dortmund players, it was the effect it had on liverpool's players, which in turn amplified the effect it had on dortmund's players.

As Cruyff said, football is played with the brain. Except when you're playing against wolverines
 
JustFootballFan said:
..and do it with so many young and inexperienced players in crucial positions at the Bernabeu. While some United fans think Rashford and Martial need five months off to recover from the physical and mental stress of playing 90 minutes on a cold night at Stoke.

Dortmund shows the inconsistencies of a highly talented, but young squad. Their highs will be higher than those of last year, but the lows will be lower. And they need to stabilize their defense. If Dortmund were able to keep this core together and add 1-2 players, they´d be a top 5 team in the world in three years.
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Dortmund are a wonderful example of how a football club should be run, againsts Madrid they had Dembele(19),Weigl(21),Pulisic(18) in the starting lineup and Emre Mor(19) coming on as a sub and giving Madrid a great game. I like their forward play a lot and the Reus&Aubameyang combo with those youngsters is pleasing to see, pace,dribbling and great understanding of the game. I´ve followed them since Matthias Sammer was a libero for them during the title winning seasons of 94 and 95. They went through a very difficult patch almost going bankrupt but are back now and continue to play young talented players. I wish we would follow a similar stragety as them, buy fewer players but make sure they are of top top quality and give the best youngsters a chance to play with those guy´s. Stop buying mediocre players for large sum´s of money.
 
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They have so many exciting youngsters now:
Weigl, Passlack, Pulisic, Dembele, Mor, Isak, Merino.
 
VorZakone said:
They have so many exciting youngsters now:
Weigl, Passlack, Pulisic, Dembele, Mor, Isak, Merino.
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I wish we had Weigl,Dembele and Pulisic. They are very good players already in my estimate and would be very close to the starting elven at United and there is a man there Michale Zorc who´s the sports manager/director of football and he´s has been vital in getting those young players to Dortmund. Dortmund is a great example of how to run a football club and they have a much better record in spotting young players than us. That´s an area where United can improve greatly.
 
A little bit like Liverpool, simply not good enough defensively. Looks like Tuchel's having a bit of second season syndrome.

Don't think it's anything to worry about long-term. They should try to stabilize in the league and go far in the cups and then go again next season. Their world-class potential young talents are developing well and these are sometimes the symptoms when you have a very young team. Those talents probably all still see Dortmund as the best place to continue their progression in the short to medium-term so I don't see any leaving as a result of a bad season league-wise.

Auba is off though so they'll need a striker.
 
One of the most overrated teams around. They also have a shit fanbase, I can't stand them.
 
NYAS said:
A little bit like Liverpool, simply not good enough defensively. Looks like Tuchel's having a bit of second season syndrome.

Don't think it's anything to worry about long-term. They should try to stabilize in the league and go far in the cups and then go again next season. Their world-class potential young talents are developing well and these are sometimes the symptoms when you have a very young team. Those talents probably all still see Dortmund as the best place to continue their progression in the short to medium-term so I don't see any leaving as a result of a bad season league-wise.

Auba is off though so they'll need a striker.
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They do have a very young team to be fair, could be a while before we see a really good Dortmund again while all these players mature.
 
NYAS said:
A little bit like Liverpool, simply not good enough defensively. Looks like Tuchel's having a bit of second season syndrome.

Don't think it's anything to worry about long-term. They should try to stabilize in the league and go far in the cups and then go again next season. Their world-class potential young talents are developing well and these are sometimes the symptoms when you have a very young team. Those talents probably all still see Dortmund as the best place to continue their progression in the short to medium-term so I don't see any leaving as a result of a bad season league-wise.

Auba is off though so they'll need a striker.
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Tuchel isn't having a second season syndrome. He lost Gundoga, Miki and Hummels. 3 top level footballers. He asked for 3 players, Toprak, Dahoud and Bellerabi. He got Ousmane Dembélé, Emre Mor and Raphaël Guerreiro, as well as more experienced hands to steady the ship—Sebastian Rode, Marc Bartra, Mario Götze and André Schürrle. Bar Demebele, none of those players even approach the quality of the departed 3.

He simply doesn't have the personnel to execute his tactics. He has no pressure resistant midfielder and there is too much of a burden on Weigl which is why he has been a bit poor this season as he has had to step up and become the teams main controller, when he steps up, and the team is caught out they are immediately countered and he is too far up the pitch. Rode is a good worker and he cannot pass between the lines and occupies very strange positions when Dortmund start their build up.

He tries alleviateing this by playing Guerreiro in the left side of midfield and it worked then he got injured and they were back to square one. Bartra is simply not good enough and has been culpable for a lot of their defensive problems. Next season is the true test for me when he gets what he wants.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
Tuchel isn't having a second season syndrome. He lost Gundoga, Miki and Hummels. 3 top level footballers. He asked for 3 players, Toprak, Dahoud and Bellerabi. He got Ousmane Dembélé, Emre Mor and Raphaël Guerreiro, as well as more experienced hands to steady the ship—Sebastian Rode, Marc Bartra, Mario Götze and André Schürrle. Bar Demebele, none of those players even approach the quality of the departed 3.

He simply doesn't have the personnel to execute his tactics. He has no pressure resistant midfielder and there is too much of a burden on Weigl which is why he has been a bit poor this season as he has had to step up and become the teams main controller, when he steps up, and the team is caught out they are immediately countered and he is too far up the pitch. Rode is a good worker and he cannot pass between the lines and occupies very strange positions when Dortmund start their build up.

He tries alleviateing this by playing Guerreiro in the left side of midfield and it worked then he got injured and they were back to square one. Bartra is simply not good enough and has been culpable for a lot of their defensive problems. Next season is the true test for me when he gets what he wants.
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Two main points I agree with there: that there's too much pressure and a burden on Weigl, and that Bartra is not good enough. I said that earlier in the season as well.

At the end of the day there isn't enough balance between attack and defence, compared to last season, when they could really overload and commit a lot of players forward but at the same time be able to snuff out counter-attacks and soak up pressure for limited periods. They haven't been able to do that as well this season and I think some of that is down to how young their players are, in general.
 
NYAS said:
Two main points I agree with there: that there's too much pressure and a burden on Weigl, and that Bartra is not good enough. I said that earlier in the season as well.

At the end of the day there isn't enough balance between attack and defence, compared to last season, when they could really overload and commit a lot of players forward but at the same time be able to snuff out counter-attacks and soak up pressure for limited periods. They haven't been able to do that as well this season and I think some of that is down to how young their players are, in general.
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The major differences from last season are:

In defence: Hummels could bring out the ball cleanly from the back even when he was pressed. When the opposition resorted to man oriented mf coverage, Hummels was good enough to carry it into midfield and pass between the lines, sometimes directly to an attacker that could turn and run at goal. Bartra brings the ball out but his passing isn't great and he gifts the opposition the ball by making the wrong decision. He passes to a player higher up that has all their passing lanes cut off.

In Midfield: Gundogan dropped deep and could pick up the ball, turn and dribble even when under immense opposition pressure. He is one of the best press resistant midfielders in the world alongside Iniesta, Modric and Moussa Dembele from Tottenham. When he evaded the press he could then beat his man directly and then he was very dynamic with his passing. If he was playing for them away at Anfield they should have beaten Liverpool comfortably.

In Attack: Mikis dynamism can't be overstated. He worked hard, was always in position and his movement was incredible so our attacks were a lot harder to predict. Demebel adds a certain xfactor and his dribbling ability is supreme but his decision making and movement, particularly when he occupies the centre when they have possession, needs a lot of work. Aubameyang is too easy to read and so he is not as effective because again, they have no passers in midfield bar Weigl who isn't a great final ball player.


The team is too disjointed and Tuchels position game has been subpar. I hope they address it next season.
 
Any truth to the Dahoud rumors? The 10m euro price being talked about is absurdly cheap.
 
liamp said:
Any truth to the Dahoud rumors? The 10m euro price being talked about is absurdly cheap.
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The 10m are the supposed release clause for summer 2017 which has been alleged in several reports over the last year. However, last fall Dahoud's agent has denied it exists. Who knows. contract runs out 2018 so he won't be crazy expensive in any case.

I'm not sure about the general reliability and accuracy of fussballtransfers.com, but I'd be inclined to say they know feck all and it's just another piece of speculation.
 
Sonny1972 said:
Seriously?? How are they overrated ?? And whats wrong with their fanbase ?? Where ya from ??
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I agree with you and Ottosec must come from Trump land where alternative facts are the new truth. Dortmund are a great example of how to run a football club and how to invest in players. If I look at the Dortmund squad I think Reus,Weigl and Dembele would be in United´s starting eleven and Aubameyang would be a great asset,Sokratis and Pulisic would not be to shabby either plus they have signed other very promising youngsters in Mor,Passlack and the new swedish wonderboy Isak. I follow Dortmund in Germany and this overrated team did draw 2 times in the CL against Real Madrid, both games going 2-2 and Dortmund unlucky not to win.
 
liamp said:
Any truth to the Dahoud rumors? The 10m euro price being talked about is absurdly cheap.
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If true, it really is absurd. It's as if in Germany, Dortmund are Bayern's bitch, and then everyone else are Dortmund's bitches.
 
Is Mahmoud Dahoud to Borussia Dortmund a done deal?

An ‘insider’ on the renowned Transfermarkt.de has said that Borussia Dortmund have agreed a deal to sign Mahmoud Dahoud from Borussia Mönchengladbach. He’ll join in the summer. The same person also predicted the return of Nuri Sahin back to Borussia Dortmund back in 2013, as well as Shinji Kagawa’s return in 2014. Although no affiliation to Transfermarkt, the person can be seen as a trustworthy source – who has been registered on the site since 2004.

@ralfhil PLEASE NOTE that the ‘insider’ is a private user, not a member of the @Transfermarkt team itself. Just for clarification!

— Ralf Hildenbrand (@ralfhil) February 17, 2017

We know that Liverpool also want to sign the 21-year-old, having shown their interest over the summer period. Sport1 reporter Ralf Bosse says that Dahoud will arrive in a €10 million deal, whilst Ed Aarons of the Guardian reports that no decision has been made over the transfer. Whilst not yet official, this move could yet fall through. Stay turned for updates.


February 17th, 2017
 
Thomas Tuchel: It’s certain the closure of the Yellow Wall will have an impact

Speaking at his press conference ahead of Borussia Dortmund’s home match against Wolfsburg, Thomas Tuchel spoke about Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and the closure of their ‘Yellow Wall’.

“It’s certain the closure of the Yellow Wall will have an impact. It’s one of a kind in the world. A real shame. We can’t prepare our team for this. We’re very sad it’s this way. More than 24K people will feel like they’ve done nothing wrong. We’re speaking of the same stand that was silent because of a death of a fan and the same stand that recently won an UEFA fan award.

“This would probably be the worst moment to give Aubameyang a break. It’s important Auba plays and starts and plays as long as he can. Aubameyang certainly gnawed on Benfica for a day. There should be no finger-pointing at him. He came to practice smiling yesterday.
 
Sonny1972 said:
Seriously?? How are they overrated ?? And whats wrong with their fanbase ?? Where ya from ??
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Their fanbase has some rather idiotic members, the last example being the home game against Leipzig. The city of Dortmund has also one of the largest, if not the largest, Nazi fraction in Western Germany. Some of the go to the games as well.
 
johanovic said:
I agree with you and Ottosec must come from Trump land where alternative facts are the new truth. Dortmund are a great example of how to run a football club and how to invest in players. If I look at the Dortmund squad I think Reus,Weigl and Dembele would be in United´s starting eleven and Aubameyang would be a great asset,Sokratis and Pulisic would not be to shabby either plus they have signed other very promising youngsters in Mor,Passlack and the new swedish wonderboy Isak. I follow Dortmund in Germany and this overrated team did draw 2 times in the CL against Real Madrid, both games going 2-2 and Dortmund unlucky not to win.
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Well their hardcore fanbase really is a bit shitty. I would never go near their stadium in a Bayern jersey, the south stand is a vicious bunch mixed with your fair share of Nazis.
 
I still expect them to get past Benfica, they will most likely beat them 3-0, 3-1, 4-0 in the return leg at home. Wouldn't be too worried about their first leg result, Dortmund always tend to make things a little hard for themselves especially in the knock-out stage.
 
Downcast said:
Thomas Tuchel: It’s certain the closure of the Yellow Wall will have an impact

Speaking at his press conference ahead of Borussia Dortmund’s home match against Wolfsburg, Thomas Tuchel spoke about Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and the closure of their ‘Yellow Wall’.

“It’s certain the closure of the Yellow Wall will have an impact. It’s one of a kind in the world. A real shame. We can’t prepare our team for this. We’re very sad it’s this way. More than 24K people will feel like they’ve done nothing wrong. We’re speaking of the same stand that was silent because of a death of a fan and the same stand that recently won an UEFA fan award.

“This would probably be the worst moment to give Aubameyang a break. It’s important Auba plays and starts and plays as long as he can. Aubameyang certainly gnawed on Benfica for a day. There should be no finger-pointing at him. He came to practice smiling yesterday.
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Sorry, why is is this happening?
 
Funny, I was actually watching a documentary last night about neo-Nazis in Germany and Dortmund was mentioned quite a few times.

Although I'm not sure why they're relevant. Every club has their fair share of morons as fans and it's not like the club want to have Nazi supporters.
 
elnorte said:
Sorry, why is is this happening?
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Damien said:
Some Dortmund fans attacked Leipzig fans, so Dortmund have been fined and have had the stand closed for a game.
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Dortmund weren't punished for that since it happened outside their stadium and they have no authority there.
The ban was issued because the club was already on probation for fan's use of pyro and then the fans brought a lot of (insulting) anti RB banners to the match against them.
 
do.ob said:
Dortmund weren't punished for that since it happened outside their stadium and they have no authority there.
The ban was issued because the club was already on probation for fan's use of pyro and then the fans brought a lot of (insulting) anti RB banners to the match against them.
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Ah, okay. Thanks.
 
Seems Dortmund is finally working on the other side of the pitch. After Dahoud and Toprak they´ll also sign 18 year old central defender Dan-Axel Zagadou on a free transfer from PSG.
 
It totally makes sense for an ambitious club like Dortmund to only buy 18 and 19 year old kids. Even Dahoud is still very young. Are they really planning on turning Dortmund into a club that only develops talents for the big teams without actually challenging for anything?
 
schwalbe said:
It totally makes sense for an ambitious club like Dortmund to only buy 18 and 19 year old kids. Even Dahoud is still very young. Are they really planning on turning Dortmund into a club that only develops talents for the big teams without actually challenging for anything?
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Toprak is 27
 
schwalbe said:
It totally makes sense for an ambitious club like Dortmund to only buy 18 and 19 year old kids. Even Dahoud is still very young. Are they really planning on turning Dortmund into a club that only develops talents for the big teams without actually challenging for anything?
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I don't get that kind of logic. Dortmund have a €200-300m turnover deficit towards the top of European football, do you really think that something like that doesn't matter? That they can just take a conservative course and somehow buy finished players of similar quality for 1/2 or 1/3 of the price and wages?
Taking (calculated) risks on young players is actually the most ambitious course they can take (aside from incuring debt), because those players have a much higher chance of being top players than some seasoned guy for €30m who has proven what he can and can't do over several seasons and has little resale value.

And besides it's not like they play with an u23 team and try to cash in immediately. The idea obviously is to hold on to players who develop well and use those guys as a foundation to stabilize the young signings.

The sweet irony regarding your point is actually that the established signings Götze and Schürrle have been quite disappointing for various reasons and that the youngster Dembele is basically their mvp this season.
 
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do.ob said:
I don't get that kind of logic. Dortmund have a €200-300m turnover deficit towards the top of European football, do you really think that something like that doesn't matter? That they can just take a conservative course and somehow buy finished players of similar quality for 1/2 or 1/3 of the price and wages?
Taking (calculated) risks on young players is actually the most ambitious course they can take (aside from incuring debt), because those players have a much higher chance of being top players than some seasoned guy for €30m who has proven what he can and can't do over several seasons and has little resale value.
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I think its a fascinating way to run a club personally.
 
JPRouve said:
@Crossie Have you heard anything about Favre to Dortmund?
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I'm not Crossie, but German media seems to be in agreement that he is the front runner.

About a week ago Kicker (reliable) reported as much, though according to them no papers had been signed at that point. And Bild (not reliable) reported that Nice is already planning without him for the next season and supposedly is telling potential signings as much during negotiations.
 
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