Borussia Dortmund 15/16

I guess I jinxed it :lol:. Typical game, Dortmund totally dominant in the first half but fail to score. Ingolstadt look like the better team and actually create chances in the 2nd and then concede twice within a few minutes to kill the game. Obviously deserved lead for Dortmund though.
 
I have a serious man crush on Julian Weigl.

Reus on the other hand not really in top form, yet. Shows our strength in the offense, that we are not overly dependent on his magic, though. Stark contrast to Wolfsburg.
 
Maybe it is because of the microphone placement but our support has not outsung a home support in the Bundesliga that heavily in a long time.

Ingolstadt is really shit all over the place. Shit team, shit tactics, shit support. Just go back where you belong. Man, I have not disliked a Bundesliga team that much in about a decade.
 
So, Tuchel´s record so far in the season:

Six games, six wins, goal difference 19-3.

Life is good again :drool:
 
So, Tuchel´s record so far in the season:

Six games, six wins, goal difference 19-3.

Life is good again :drool:
Wouldn't make that statement just yet though, it's early in the season. We could have scored at least 7 goals today!
 
Ingolstadt is really shit all over the place. Shit team, shit tactics, shit support. Just go back where you belong. Man, I have not disliked a Bundesliga team that much in about a decade.
:lol: . Where do they belong though?
 
Just love how they managed to hold on to every great player they have on their books. And how reenergized they look. Great game again but that said Aubamayang needs to put his sitters away, against better teams this could come back to haunt them.
 
Wouldn't make that statement just yet though, it's early in the season. We could have scored at least 7 goals today!

Of course it means very little that we are top of the table right now. We will also suffer set backs in the future.

However, I look at it from a different perspective. Just a year ago the thought of a time after Klopp was a frightening one. After a simply horrible season, Tuchel´s job was a very hard one. Short and complicated pre season because of the asia tour and the early EL games, which were of course against smaller sides, but still KO matches. Every match could have caused big problems in the long run.

Overall the transition was just really, really smooth. Old problem cases like Mkhitaryan, Kagawa, Hummels or Gündogan look sharp and bring their potential on the pitch. The whole team shows great morale and confidence and Tuchel looks really comfortable with the greater responsibility and medial exposure. It is not the results, which are really good, but also the performances itself.

:lol: . Where do they belong though?

3rd league as far as I´m concerned.
 
Of course it means very little that we are top of the table right now. We will also suffer set backs in the future.

However, I look at it from a different perspective. Just a year ago the thought of a time after Klopp was a frightening one. After a simply horrible season, Tuchel´s job was a very hard one. Short and complicated pre season because of the asia tour and the early EL games, which were of course against smaller sides, but still KO matches. Every match could have caused big problems in the long run.

Overall the transition was just really, really smooth. Old problem cases like Mkhitaryan, Kagawa, Hummels or Gündogan look sharp and bring their potential on the pitch. The whole team shows great morale and confidence and Tuchel looks really comfortable with the greater responsibility and medial exposure. It is not the results, which are really good, but also the performances itself.



3rd league as far as I´m concerned.
The performances are very good indeed, we are cutting defenses apart at will. I hope that when we play the bigger teams the extra space we get will be exploited by our attack. Weigl by the way looks so mature already wow.
 
If they stay healthy, I think they can mount a challenge to Bayern for Bundesliga supremacy. Shame they're not in Champions League, fun team to watch.
 
From what I saw, Ingolstadt were a class below Dortmund yesterday and will struggle this year if they don't bring in 1 or 2 experienced Bundesliga players.
 
I watched the whole game last week and the highlights of this one, I love Dortmund's crazy style where players have so much freedom to run everywhere. High risk/high reward football is the best to watch when it works.
 
I watched the whole game last week and the highlights of this one, I love Dortmund's crazy style where players have so much freedom to run everywhere. High risk/high reward football is the best to watch when it works.
In fairness even when it does not work its still typically great to watch as the team will concede a couple of goals then push like crazy trying to mount a comeback (or end up getting smashed on the counter) - either way it makes for great games for the neutrals.
Is it hipster again to follow Dortmund after a bad season - or are they too mainstream again - did proper hipsters only follow them last season and they are now going to switch to??? (shalke?)
 
Is it hipster again to follow Dortmund after a bad season - or are they too mainstream again - did proper hipsters only follow them last season and they are now going to switch to??? (shalke?)
Proper hipsters follow Darmstadt, like @NoLogo does. Dortmund are still a bit hipster-ish though.
 
In fairness even when it does not work its still typically great to watch as the team will concede a couple of goals then push like crazy trying to mount a comeback (or end up getting smashed on the counter) - either way it makes for great games for the neutrals.
Is it hipster again to follow Dortmund after a bad season - or are they too mainstream again - did proper hipsters only follow them last season and they are now going to switch to??? (shalke?)

I just watch football from teams that make me enjoy it. This is why it's fecking annoying to see Man City in good form now, they play a brand of football I find appealing even I want them to lose.
 
That run where Gundogan ran past half the opposing team was brilliant. Released the ball too late though.
 
I just watch football from teams that make me enjoy it. This is why it's fecking annoying to see Man City in good form now, they play a brand of football I find appealing even I want them to lose.

Yes credit to them playing Toure as one of your two more defensive midfielders rather than behind the striker with two traditional holding midfielders is a brave move but one that does make them good to watch - and if they can keep aguero, stirling and silva fit and they do end up buying de-bruyne then they are going to be one of the most exciting teams in europe I think - annoying but credit to Pellagrini for being brave
 
Yes credit to them playing Toure as one of your two more defensive midfielders rather than behind the striker with two traditional holding midfielders is a brave move but one that does make them good to watch - and if they can keep aguero, stirling and silva fit and they do end up buying de-bruyne then they are going to be one of the most exciting teams in europe I think - annoying but credit to Pellagrini for being brave

Playing with 2 CDMs is as much as hindrance as it is a help.
 
Playing with 2 CDMs is as much as hindrance as it is a help.
possibly - the ideal seems to be one defencive midfielder and one more box to box, but playing with one as attack minded as Toure who lets be honest is not renowned for his willingness to track runners in to his own box is also quite brave as well as rather than a box to box type player he is more box to centre circle. So as I say its a brave decision and one that so far looks good - will be interesting to see how he returns from the African cup of nations though as he has previously looked jaded so fingers crossed!
 
will be interesting to see how he returns from the African cup of nations though as he has previously looked jaded so fingers crossed!
Next one is in 2017, so that won't be a problem this season.
 
Proper hipsters follow Darmstadt, like @NoLogo does. Dortmund are still a bit hipster-ish though.

Are we, though? I did understand the hipster thing when we rose like a phoenix from the ashes with a Team full of Youngsters, but now in 2015?

We are the second biggest German Club in terms of revenue and fanbase and pay our players, who are for the most part established by now, accordingly (3rd highest wage bill). We play exciting Football (in one way or the other) but so do many other teams.

I mean in comparision to Bayern we are still more likeable especially on here, mostly because we are a way smaller threat to their prestige and players and still the underdog given their financial strength, but that does not make us a hipster Club. I think not many would consider Arsenal a hipster club either.

You want a German hipster club? Try Augsburg or even Gladbach, who do amazingly well in recent years despite their financial limits and the way they are "punished" for success by bigger teams (including us). They certainly fit the bill better than a former CL Champion with a 80.000 seater Stadium.
 
Are we, though? I did understand the hipster thing when we rose like a phoenix from the ashes with a Team full of Youngsters, but now in 2015?

We are the second biggest German Club in terms of revenue and fanbase and pay our players, who are for the most part established by now, accordingly (3rd highest wage bill). We play exciting Football (in one way or the other) but so do many other teams.

I mean in comparision to Bayern we are still more likeable especially on here, mostly because we are a way smaller threat to their prestige and players and still the underdog given their financial strength, but that does not make us a hipster Club. I think not many would consider Arsenal a hipster club either.

You want a German hipster club? Try Augsburg or even Gladbach, who do amazingly well in recent years despite their financial limits and the way they are "punished" for success by bigger teams (including us). They certainly fit the bill better than a former CL Champion with a 80.000 seater Stadium.

You have to distinguish between people who closely follow Bundesliga and people who don't. For the former category Dortmund surely can't be a hipster team any more because they are the second biggest club in Germany by now and are acting like a (domestic) top club. They have become part of the establishment if you will.
But someone who doesn't really follow Bundesliga will probably see them in the context of the European elite and there Dortmund's old niche still exists.
 
Are we, though? I did understand the hipster thing when we rose like a phoenix from the ashes with a Team full of Youngsters, but now in 2015?

We are the second biggest German Club in terms of revenue and fanbase and pay our players, who are for the most part established by now, accordingly (3rd highest wage bill). We play exciting Football (in one way or the other) but so do many other teams.

I mean in comparision to Bayern we are still more likeable especially on here, mostly because we are a way smaller threat to their prestige and players and still the underdog given their financial strength, but that does not make us a hipster Club. I think not many would consider Arsenal a hipster club either.

You want a German hipster club? Try Augsburg or even Gladbach, who do amazingly well in recent years despite their financial limits and the way they are "punished" for success by bigger teams (including us). They certainly fit the bill better than a former CL Champion with a 80.000 seater Stadium.
Don't fight it. It's the way it is until you attract enough haters all around the world. You're not really comparable to Arsenal, because Dortmund is still the underdog fighting the good fight. While Arsenal is established and fails to fight the good fight for a decade now, nothing hipster-ish about that. The fan culture at both clubs makes it even more obvious.
 
The caf has a real problem with the term hipster though. Hipsters aren't people who follow the latest trends, that's way too mainstream, they are trendsetters and as soon as something becomes popular they abandon it. In that sense Dortmund never really qualified as a hipster team. If you really want to be a super-hipster you could pride yourself on watching every game of some obscure 3rd league team from Bhutan despite being from a country in the western hemisphere. You would also travel to at least 2 or 3 games every season and have a beer with the players and the local fan club after the games.

Naturally you need to let everyone know that you are a superior football fan because you support the game where it's still pure and untouched by commercialisation. So you make sure to talk down to other football fans how they are just consuming the junk food of football and have long forgotten what real football is all about. Of course you write a blog about it because for some reason other football fans have no interest in talking to you, no wait, you don't have any interest in talking to other football fans, they are beneath you anyways.

That my friends would be the real hipster thing to do.
 
You have to distinguish between people who closely follow Bundesliga and people who don't. For the former category Dortmund surely can't be a hipster team any more because they are the second biggest club in Germany by now and are acting like a (domestic) top club. They have become part of the establishment if you will.
But someone who doesn't really follow Bundesliga will probably see them in the context of the European elite and there Dortmund's old niche still exists.

So the world has around ten elite clubs and the rest are hipster Clubs?
 
So the world has around ten elite clubs and the rest are hipster Clubs?

If we see clubs in context of the CL then that's probably true. The same way a lot of Germans would probably call you a hipster if you told them you're a fan/admirer of Roma, when most Italians would tell you that they have been at the top for some time now and that you're just going for glory.
 
possibly - the ideal seems to be one defencive midfielder and one more box to box, but playing with one as attack minded as Toure who lets be honest is not renowned for his willingness to track runners in to his own box is also quite brave as well as rather than a box to box type player he is more box to centre circle. So as I say its a brave decision and one that so far looks good - will be interesting to see how he returns from the African cup of nations though as he has previously looked jaded so fingers crossed!

I don't think there is an African Cup of Nations this year, he just went a few months ago to win it with Bony.
 
Hopefully Tuchel brings the change BVB needed.


Seemed to me that the players just stopped playing for Klopp for some reason last year - probably not a coincidence that Hummels and Gundo were on the verge of leaving and then pledged their future to the club when he left

It's plain to see that there was something major going on behind the scenes and TBH I'm amazed it was kept quiet
 
Seemed to me that the players just stopped playing for Klopp for some reason last year - probably not a coincidence that Hummels and Gundo were on the verge of leaving and then pledged their future to the club when he left

It's plain to see that there was something major going on behind the scenes and TBH I'm amazed it was kept quiet

I don't think that was the case at all. It's just that sometimes a managers methods can ware off on players, they get jaded to their methods and for most managers it happens even sooner than it did for Klopp. It's one of the major reasons why I always respected SAF so much. His greatest strength, despite falling out with some of his players, seems to have been the man management part, to always keep his players hungry and if they weren't anymore to rebuild the team in time to get that hunger back.

Another reason why I think it's now working again really well under Tuchel is the fact that all players seem to be in absolute top shape and Klopp really needs to ask himself how he managed to let it slide that there were so many players quite obviously not at their physical best. Especially a team that wants to play as aggressive as Dortmund under him can't afford to have players like this around. I also think that the way Tuchel approaches games helps them much more against smaller teams that part the bus, they have way more possession these days and not try to counter with every attack, they can even let an attack run over multiple stations and there is some great movement from all areas of team. This way they also prevent losing the ball in dangerous situations which happened to them last season again and again and gifted their opponents easy goals, naturally the individual mistakes from all over the pitch didn't really help either.

Tuchel imo brought an evolution to this squad that was necessary. They needed to be more comfortable in possession and produce the movement from deep positions that would allow them to overwhelm deep standing defences. In a sense they now had to copy Bayern a bit to do better against teams that Bayern has been very able to deal with for quite some time now and Klopp's approach didn't provide that. Under Tuchel the team looks to have much more vareity in their attacks not only in the tempo they attack but also the directions they attack from.
 
Seemed to me that the players just stopped playing for Klopp for some reason last year - probably not a coincidence that Hummels and Gundo were on the verge of leaving and then pledged their future to the club when he left

It's plain to see that there was something major going on behind the scenes and TBH I'm amazed it was kept quiet

I don't think it's necessarily that, a lot of things came together:
1: judging by the past two seasons and how they play now it seems like Klopp had trouble to implement a more patient, less chaotic approach
2: playing Gündogan and Sahin kinda made up for that because they put a lot of structure in their build up
3: however Sahin missed pretty much the entire last season and Gündogan was still very much out of shape
4: Hummels, another key player, had a bad season with a lot of unnecessary mistakes
5: their pre season was cut short by the world cup and they missed almost all of their players whose job it is to structure attacks and make things happen, during the first half of the season Hummels missed 7 games, Sahin played a total of 7 minutes, Gündogan came back from a year of injury and missed the first 7 games, Mkhitaryan missed 5 games, Reus was injured twice and missed 8 games, Kuba played 70 minutes and Kirch missed the first 15 matches, Kagawa supposedly played through an injury and was pretty weak aside from maybe 2 or 3 games. Immobile turned out to be not working at all, but Aubameyang made up for that.
So instead of something like Weidenfeller-Piszczek,Subotic,Hummels,Schmelzer-Sahin,Gündogan-Reus,Kagawa,Mkhitaryan-Aubameyang they for example played like this against Hamburg: Weidenfeller-Schmelzer,Hummels,Soktaris,Durm-Bender,Kehl-Großkreutz,Kagawa,Aubameyang-Ramos. A team without any kind of creativity aside from an out of form Kagawa and Hummels.
Now in the CL that still worked because tactically naive opponents allowed them to play their transition based approach, where creativity was substituted with pressing, but in Bundesliga matches they faced very destructive opponents who sat deep and hoofed balls in order to completely circumvent any kind of counter pressing situation and they just didn't have the tools to deal with it (both in terms of personnel and tactics).
6: So they kept losing a lot of games they should've been winning with ease and the further the season went on the more you could see how it had an effect on their mentality
7: They spend the winter slowly rebuilding their confidence and Sahin returning to the team visibly helped them (he played the first 6 matches after the winter break and they won the 3rd to 6th), but then he got injured again and you could see the same problems in possession resurface again.

A couple of games later, after a heavy loss against Gladbach with yet another inexplicable goal against them in the first minute, Klopp finally decided to resign at the end of the season. Imho Klopp would not have resigned without all the injuries at the beginning of the season, I think that crisis was a huge catalyst for all the problems that had been there for some time but still seemed manageable (lack of patience in possession, lack of concentration against smaller opponents, etc.) and a huge amount of confidence and trust seems to have been lost along that downward spiral.
Afaik Hummels was thinking about leaving because he saw the need for a change in the team's style because of their inability to control games. With Gündogan it seems like he has a couple of clubs he would really like to play for (probably Barca, Real and Bayern), but doesn't mind staying if an opportunity at those clubs doesn't present itself. His initial decision to leave didn't seem to have a lot to do with Klopp since he stood by it even long after it was clear that Tuchel would take over.
 
Raphael Honisgstein on Dortmund under Thomas Tuchel:

Chances spurned, shots mis-hit, final passes astray. The first half was playing out like countless other Borussia Dortmund league games in recent memory and anybody knowing anything at all about football knew what was coming next. One swift, devastating Ingolstadt counter-attack, or a goal from a corner, or a deflected shot, and then: a nagging, avoidable, hugely unnerving away defeat to one of the weakest teams in the Bundesliga.

This season’s Dortmund, however, are doing things differently. Ten minutes into the second half at the Audi-Sportpark, their makeshift right-back, Matthias Ginter, unexpectedly cut inside on his left foot and placed a low shot past the Ingolstadt goalkeeper Orjan Nyland. Marco Reus doubled the lead from the penalty spot on the hour mark.

The rest was a gentle stroll to the second 4-0 win in Thomas Tuchel’s second Bundesliga match on the BVB bench (with goals from Shinji Kagawa and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang) and to first spot in the table. The last time the club had enjoyed that position was two years ago. “It’s a nice picture and I don’t mind if it stayed like that forever,” Tuchel said about the view from the top.


He praised his team’s work ethic but was more impressed that they had managed to skip their inner stylus from the well-worn groove of yesterday’s ballads and onto the next track: a more uplifting, feelgood tune.

“I’m especially pleased that in the second half,” he said, “we managed to liberate ourselves from the dissatisfaction and frustration, from the self-fulfilling prophecy of thinking ‘if you don’t score, you’ll concede at some point’, and that we totally stayed focused on our task of doing what we were intending to do on the pitch”.

Sitting next to him on the press conference podium, the Ingolstadt coach Ralph Hasenhüttl seemed just as impressed. “It was an interesting experience for us today,” said the manager of the Bavarian Bundesliga debutants. “We won’t have seen Dortmund’s last win in the league today”.

That much is certain. Within the space of six consecutive wins in as many competitive games, Tuchel has built up so much positive momentum that the away supporters in Ingolstadt were singing lustily about their team winning the title and the captain Mats Hummels had to field questions about theMeisterschaft.

“It’s been a promising start but it would be too early to cultivate any sort of hopes,” said the centre-back, who had admitted to comfort-eating during last year’s hellish campaign. It is unclear how much of an impact Tuchel’s ban on long-standing, much-loved pizza and pasta deliveries to the Dortmund training ground by a local restaurateur have had on the team’s fresh appetite for destruction – Tuchel has stopped eating carbohydrates altogether – but to the naked eye, Dortmund look as lean and mean as they did at the peak of their powers in 2012.

A new dietary regime, a new fitness coach and a new – or perhaps renewed – attention to small details on the pitch have all played their part in restoring the club to their position as the second super-power in German football.

Tuchel has been irritated by some of the media attention on mundane matters like the fact that he coaches players on the positioning of their feet or puts out the cones for some of the complex exercises himself – “Maybe nobody had watched the training at Mainz before,” he wondered – but Dortmund had been in desperate need of these kind of small but important readjustments after seven years under Jürgen Klopp. For all the club’s bad luck with injuries and poor finishing, the set-up had outlived itself.

Tuchel is reluctant to speak about change and evolution because these terms imply progress, thereby denigrating the previous regime. “Kloppo has taken the team to where they are now, and now there’s a new coach. That’s it,” he said. “I get angry when comparisons are made. Kloppo said it in his farewell speech: don’t make comparisons because they diminish the new or the old, depending on results”.

There’s no question, however, that Tuchel has taken the Klopp blueprint –strong pressing, counter-pressing, constant movement, many high-tempo sprints – and given it an extra dimension, courtesy of better possession play. Whereas the new breed of German coaches focus on playing “against the ball”, Tuchel – an avowed Pep Guardiola fan – wants complete domination with and without the ball.

He has described Guardiola’s Barça as the “non-plus-ultra” and spent two evenings talking football with the Catalan coach in a bar and restaurant in Munich. Eye witnesses claim that the duo requisitioned extra salt and pepper mills from other tables. Tuchel sees a more patient, controlled buildup as a necessary measure to allow rest periods on the ball and also as the key to succeed against defensive sides. Klopp’s up and down madness has begun to give way to a more varied tempo, with pace being built up in the final third, through positional switches and direct combinations.

Tuchel has been helped in his task by Dortmund coming through the transfer window unscathed so far. Qualification for the Europa League, a competition that will generate plenty of income and could well yield a trophy, has enabled the club to keep all their best players for the first time since they won the league in 2011.

Ilkay Gündogan is coming back to his best. Henrikh Mkhitaryan, a perennial under-performer under Klopp relative to his amazing skill-set, has been superb so far. Even Ginter, who had been banished to the BVB amateurs before, is showing glimpses of the qualities that made him a €10m player. A deep, multi-talented squad and one of the most driven, smartest coaches in the business: It was always going to work. But this early, this well? Dortmund are destined for great things again and the Bundesliga will be all the better for it.