All this to end with a still.... pretty shit squad. Nothing to worry about. Chelsea are done and have to do this every years for maybe 3-4 seasons yet. They're fecked.
Boehly is going to ruin Chelsea (hopefully)
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I like our squad going forward, but can understand an oppo fan wishing gloom and doom.
We quite enjoyed you being in a state of bullshit and flux last season, it’s only natural for us to wish it to continue
Have to say the guy sells unwanted players well.
Must help with all the financials.
Watch us bend over for mount.
Must help with all the financials.
Watch us bend over for mount.
Still have James and Chilly so that’s two elite fullbacks when fit. Have good depth at both fullback spots.
Still have several young CB’s who are quality like Fofana, Badiashile, and the now returning Colwill.
Have Enzo Fernandes who is top class.
Have a set of attacking mids that I think Poch will do wonders for including one of the most exciting players in Europe now in Nkunku.
We sign a couple of midfielders and a striker and we’ll be in the mix for top 4, 100%. It’s absolute fantasy that Chelsea will be in the mud for years. Being focused on only the PL for much of the season and having more time on the training pitch than any other big club should do us a lot of good.
Only Enzo is real quality in there. The rest of them, especially the new signings, felt like that Spurs summer when they spent the Bale money. I do think Chelsea is probably too big to really fail, but also surprised at your optimism. You would need them to all click together and that striker better be amazing to carry this squad into top 4. Ironically, keeping Potter would've been better for this.
It's not a fantasy, it's just a bit of financial mess, and last years absolutely monster transfers that they are now chasing their tails just to balance this year is going to have an effect for years to come. And this ignores the leftovers from Roman's era... but he wouldn't have greenlit a £600m spree like that, so managed it substantially better.
Werner, Lukaku and Havertz have to be accounted for for another 2 years at a combined cost of £40m.... despite almost certainly all playing elsewhere, and all being sold for actual (ignoring amortization) losses, mid-contract.
Long contracts and Saudi dodgy dealing might help a bit, but bad deals do have an effect eventually...
Agree to disagree. In my opinion we have one of the most talented squads in the league. But talent means nothing without the right manager to get the most out of it. I’m confident that Poch is that manager.
Expecting to see huge improvement over time in players like Mudryk. There’s a reason he was so highly sought after. He didn’t become a shit player overnight.
Pepe seemed like the most nonchalant, “couldn’t be bothered” sort of players I’ve seen. Mudryk is at least maniacal in his training and desire to realize his potential from what I’ve seen him post on social media and say in interviews.
There’s always a chance he’s a total bust but I think he’ll be great this year.
If we sign caceido and decent keeper we will be okay overall. Pochettino decent manager who has the track record of working with youngsters.
Main plus for pochettino will be no European commitment for us. Need to improve fitness levels but that will be challenging and our main problem for past few seasons. We will fight for top 5 spot in my opinion.
You don't think you need more strikers?
I am very excited to see what Pochettino can do with mudryk. He looked quality for Ukraine the last few international matches. However, Sterling has been the better player for Chelsea. That is a concern with regards to Mudryk development unless Poch favors Mudryk.
Regardless, I believe you still have not addressed the main problem in your squad. Who will put away chances and be the striker that can score 20 plus goal a season. No matter how talented your squad is, if you have the same type of finishing you had last season, you will just be an europa league team. Chelsea needs to spend as much as they are spending on a midfielder on a striker and a goalkeeper.
Caicedo will be a brilliant signing, but they need someone like Oshimen as much. If you want to challenge for top four, Chelsea will need:
Caicedo, Oshimen, and Onana as their Marque signing.
Then Gabi Vargas and lavia for depth.
Then I can see you challenging for top four and even the league title. Your squad is still far away from being a top four team. United, Newcastle and Arsenal are strengthening and I m sure Liverpool will be in the mix as well.
------------------Fofana/Badishelle - Onana - Colwell/Thiago
James/Gusto - Caceido/Lavia/chuku - Enzo/Santos - chilwell/Hall
------------Madueke/Vargas - nkunku/Casadei - mudryk/Sterling
--------‐----------------------------Oshimen/Borja/Fofana
That is the type of squad Pochettino needs. I know of rumors of Jackson, but unless their scouting team is 99% certain that he will be as good as Oshimen, then he may be a Hella of a gamble because you have fofana and Borja who could use that developmental spot.
I think nkunku,broja and Jackson enough for us coming season. Without Europe we are contend with it.Rumours suggested talks with Juventus for vlahovic not going well.
We look forward to see some fast transition oriented system and players we have more suited to that approach. Yes it's still in theory only but we are optimistic and we will be okay anyway compared to last season and hope we are finally move away from sarri era style of slow possession based style.
Oshimen would be great, but we have other priorities that could not be addressed by spending €180m on him. Quality strikers are always a premium, but that is really above Chelsea money if we are trying to achieve a sustainable budget.
There should be five CL spots next year and I don't see why Chelsea shouldn't be viewed as the favorite to get the fifth one (along with City, Arsenal, Liverpool, United).
I think you really have to stretch to make the argument that Newcastle with European football for the first time are better positioned for league play than Chelsea without European football at all.
The big question with Chelsea is whether they can create enough chances and score enough goals, which is hard to say without seeing their incomings. I'm not very confident in Nkunku being an impact player in the PL. But if they bring in a couple more really good attacking players alongside him then they could be in business.
I think you really have to stretch to make the argument that Newcastle with European football for the first time are better positioned for league play than Chelsea without European football at all.
The big question with Chelsea is whether they can create enough chances and score enough goals, which is hard to say without seeing their incomings. I'm not very confident in Nkunku being an impact player in the PL. But if they bring in a couple more really good attacking players alongside him then they could be in business.
Pepe just can't fit into the play style of Arteta's team. Mudryk on the other hand will swim well in a team play fast and direct football.
We all have all the other Chelsea fans on ignore too.
A few of them are on mine to be fair.
I feel like with the amount of players you are getting of your books, you have the ability to spend big this summer. Striker should be your priority. However, I feel that chelsea intention may be just to finish in top four this season. If their intention was to win the league, then I could see an argument to get Oshimen being made.
But if it is just top four, then Jackson could be a cheap, smarter alternative. You already have nkunku who was one of the top scorer in Bundesliga, so those two as your main starters with youth players like Borja, Casadei, and fofana, as alternative could be sufficient to get top four.
Stop deflecting and let’s focus on the fact your club is the only club selling multiple players to Saudi Arabian clubs as soon as the window opened, and that’s off the back of spending stupid amounts of money all season with no clear plan on how they would recover for FFP.
Ah ok... I haven't been paying attention. I'd forgotten Broja was coming back and missed the Jackson deal.
If you are serious about FFP money, we took a loss on what counts toward FFP on the Saudi sales, although it was close to break even. It did however free up a lot of the wage bill. We cleared £32m on the Havertz deal toward FFP. So if we needed the £20m by the end of June, it was Arsenal, not Saudi Arabia that cleared that money. There are plenty of people saying it was never needed.
Oppo fans are having a riot with the conspiracy theories though.
Please buy this years Chelsea kit and get his name on your back as a 'I told you so'
Ah well, at least if Mudryk turns out to be a complete flop then you only have 8 more years on that gravy train. Pretty good business really.
Tbf reece James is top quality when fit. Nkunku, sterling if he finds his mojo back, are top players, they will also probably sign Caicedo who's a top quality too. All in all I can understand them being optimistic.
Now this, this is something I absolutely despise. The whole concept of multi club systems is bullshit. It’s soulless. It’s predatory. It’s rotten to the core and I hate it with a passion. It should have been banned from the sport years ago.
What a shit club seriously.
All things aside Roman was a good owner from footbaling perspective
How is it any different from the old feeder club method?
Is it timing?
There are way too many smoking guns at Chelsea, the Ugarte deal where there was a report that they wanted to do some dodgie business, then this. It might be timing like you say but, I dont see anyone rushing to buy CHO who is linked to Saudi too now.
Also, if Qatar spends money its sportswashing but if a Saudi fund pumps money into a company that owns Chelsea its called investment right?
Almost every club has quite a few… The 4 Saudi PIF-owned clubs together can recruit a maximum of 28 foreigners or 32 (if they up the limit to 8 per club). Half of them will be free ageents. Leaving about 14/16 players going to generate fees. There are about 50 clubs in Europe with players that would do very well in Saudi Arabia. And at least 12 to 20 clubs from which they could buy star players whose current clubs want to get rid off.
The likelihood that one single club (2 to 5 % of potential vendors) should provide 4 players of 16 (25% of the sales) is going to raise eyebrows until we know more about this relationship and that PIF aren’t doing this on purpose in order to help Chelsea…
Well, it's 3 players.
I find it hard to believe even Saudi Arabia is stupid enough to indirectly pour more money to support this Boehly consortium's scratter gun transfer deals. They'd rather do it in Newcastle (and they've been very wise about their money there). A better theory will be - it's Chelsea that has some of most useless players in the market they desperately want to get rid off and Saudi is the only hope for those players, so they're all going there.
I suppose it boils down to why you believe the team fell so far last season, and it certainly wasn't for lack of talent. 2 of the best fullbacks in Europe (when fit),Thiago Silva is still elite, 3 top young CBs, Enzo, Sterling, Nkunku, and then a host of exciting young talents in Santos, Mudryk, Madueke, Hall, Gusto, Broja etc. Not hard to find the optimism at all.
A parent club has no control over a feeder clubs decision making in all football aspects, a multi club system does allow that. Well known example being Salzburg and Leipzig. The former is basically responsible for finding and nurturing young talents, who then go on to Leipzig when they’re ready to step up, who then sell them for big money when they perform. Everything done through the same ownership. Only today Strasbourg (the club Boehly & co bought) are now linked with a young player who United also want. The idea being to use these clubs as a way to horde young talent in an environment that will be easier for them to develop, and eventually lead them to Chelsea or sell for profit. It shouldn’t be allowed.
That’s not even going into the whole aspect of turning the clubs bought into just a gateway team for bigger clubs, it’s shite for the supporters.
Feel its too late to stop now. That’s what? Us, Man City, Man United, Leipzig, Brighton, Sevilla? There are a few more in the PL I’m forgetting. I remember Fulham were trying to buy an Italian club a few months back. Not sure what the possible solution is.
This one is on the regulators of football, people who talk about maintaining integrity of the sport but don’t take any action about it. There was an article by Athletic (Oliver Kay I think) which talked about precisely this and the implications. How would fans of any club feel being like being number 2 in someone’s financial portfolio? Maybe it doesn’t worry folks in Australia or Middle east. But this trend is and will become more worrying where football is ingrained in the culture of a society. Surely someone needs to wake up and start putting some regulations in. It’s sad that it has come to this and I’m not hopeful of the direction the game seems to be going in.