Bluemoon goes into Meltdown

TheMancRedDevil said:
We should take this up in another thread sometime. This one has been hijacked to hell already.

Will City hang on to fourth?
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Yeah, I probably took it a bit too far, it's just a subject that's quite sensitive to me because of the guilt I often feel associated with the money and importance attached to football in relation to other much more important things.

Still. This thread has gone ridiculously off topic! :lol:

I hope to hell City don't hang onto fourth. I think Spurs could nick it, and I hope they do. Vastly more entertaining football team to watch and obviously much better for us as United fans if City don't finish in the CL places. City aren't playing amazingly at the moment, their cautious style isn't working that well.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly. Which is were the City fan that started this debate is coming from. Seems a perfectly reasonable response to me.
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Well not quite, the City fan was saying that he couldn't give a shit about anything really, was not touched by anything in the world, just a cold obsessed turd really. In that sense, Popper is right. Where he gets slightly out of hand is where emotions should or should not be prioritised, that's up to him, that's up to me, that's up to every individual.
 
MG said:
I'd take the donation to the Disaster Fund in a second without any hesitation, and I honestly truly mean that.

If I didn't, everytime I thought back to that game I was present at all I'd see are the Japanese people dying on the news, it'd taint my enjoyment of the memory. I'd also feel guilty going to the game.

I can always watch it on TV.
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Fair enough.

If that's the case I commend your unselfishness, personally I'd take the ticket and I suspect 95% of the people on here would also.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Well not quite, the City fan was saying that he couldn't give a shit about anything really, was not touched by anything in the world, just a cold obsessed turd really. In that sense, Popper is right. Where he gets slightly out of hand is where emotions should or should not be prioritised, that's up to him, that's up to me, that's up to every individual.
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So do you love taking random pictures of innocent passing by girls, more than you love United?

Or are those different kinds of love?
 
Redlambs said:
To compare a form of entertainment to real life events is pointless, regardless of how emotionally involved we are in either.

It's simply a case of different types of the same emotion. I'm amazed the geniuses on here haven't yet figured out that both sides are right, but wrong to even argue it ;)
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Why's it wrong to discuss it, RL? I've been desensitised to human tragedy in much the same way as I've been desensitised to porn and obscenity over the years; when I was a kid I'd get excited if I found a torn up copy of The Sun in the woods, now I can watch a three-boobed pregnant dwarf fecking a dog whilst three lesbian nazi quadruplegics shit in her mouth without batting an eyelid, likewise, I can read about however many thousands dying in Japan without becoming emotional about it: like porn, shit happens, I know that shit happens, I don't find it shocking when shit happens, and as long as it's not happening to me I can get on with living my life in exactly the same way as I would have done had shit not happened.

What really gets me excited and evokes an emotional response though is watching United, that and love and money and eating when I'm hungry etc. If I get really hungry or a girl stands me up or I lose a bet of United get beat then it'll effect my mood; reading of tragedies in the paper or watching them on the news is all just meh.
 
Redlambs said:
So do you love taking random pictures of innocent passing by girls, more than you love United?

Or are those different kinds of love?
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:lol: Well that's up to me isn't it? Obviously I have empathy with the Japanese, not a nice thing to happen, but it's not going to stop me enjoying watching United the next day or wanting to take a few saucy photos the next day. Tragic thing to happen, but I didn't lose any sleep over it, as I don't lose sleep over United losing a game, not much I can do in either case. People that worry about things that have already happened generally annoy me.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I've been desensitised to porn and obscenity over the years; when I was a kid I'd get excited if I found a torn up copy of The Sun in the woods, now I can watch a three-boobed pregnant dwarf fecking a dog whilst three lesbian nazi quadruplegics shit in her mouth without batting an eyelid.
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This is probably one of the best posts I have ever read on the caf.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Why's it wrong to discuss it, RL? I've been desensitised to human tragedy in much the same way as I've been desensitised to porn and obscenity over the years; when I was a kid I'd get excited if I found a torn up copy of The Sun in the woods, now I can watch a three-boobed pregnant dwarf fecking a dog whilst three lesbian nazi quadruplegics shit in her mouth without batting an eyelid, likewise, I can read about however many thousands dying in Japan without becoming emotional about it: like porn, shit happens, I know that shit happens, I don't find it shocking when shit happens, and as long as it's not happening to me I can get on with living my life.

What really gets me excited and evokes an emotional response though is watching United, that and love and money and eating when I'm hungry etc. If I get really hungry or a girl stands me up or I lose a bet of United get beat then it'll effect my mood; reading of tragedies in the paper or watching them on the news is all just meh.
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Would it help if I said it is wrong to discuss it here?

Or should I also discuss how I love that a bottle of red wine clears me out, more than I love giving a pound to the homeless man on the way to work?
 
Redlambs said:
Would it help if I said it is wrong to discuss it here?

Or should I also discuss how I love that a bottle of red wine clears me out, more than I love giving a pound to the homeless man on the way to work?
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You mean here in this thread? Yeah well, perhaps a helpful mod could move the discussion into a thread of its own or something? I only made my first post on the topic because a couple of posters were having a go at the City fan and I thought, "Hang on, surely most of us feel something similar about United though?"
 
ciderman9000000 said:
You mean here in this thread? Yeah well, perhaps a helpful mod could move the discussion into a thread of its own or something? I only made my first post on the topic because a couple of posters were having a go at the City fan and I thought, "Hang on, surely most of us feel something similar about United though?"
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Yes, but your mentality changes when you get older. I love United. United losing used to spoil my week... I reckon it probably still does on a subconscious level, but I've come to realise that it's true and it's just a fecking game, a game played by cnuts, run by cnuts...and generally watched by cnuts. I think sometimes it's healthy to take a step back and ask yourself.... why am I getting so worked up about 22 blokes kicking a bag of wind around a pitch?! I think it's better this way, well for me, at least. Anyway, I'm off to help out all the earthquake victims. I've seen the light.

That said, I'm probably lying to myself.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
Yes, but your mentality changes when you get older. I love United. United losing used to spoil my week... I reckon it probably still does on a subconscious level, but I've come to realise that it's true and it's just a fecking game, a game played by cnuts, run by cnuts...and generally watched by cnuts. I think sometimes it's healthy to take a step back and ask yourself.... why am I getting so worked up about a 22 blokes kicking a back of wind around a pitch?! I think it's better this way, well for me, at least. Anyway, I'm off to help out all the earthquake victims. I've seen the light.

That said, I'm probably lying to myself.
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Another bad day at work?
 
ciderman9000000 said:
You mean here in this thread? Yeah well, perhaps a helpful mod could move the discussion into a thread of its own or something? I only made my first post on the topic because a couple of posters were having a go at the City fan and I thought, "Hang on, surely most of us feel something similar about United though?"
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Well you could get it moved, but it would end up much the same as any other thread on here lately, you of all people should know that!

My point being that it is funny to see a city fan go through such turmoil and we should laugh at it. To go into a never ending debate about the ins and outs of thoughts, meanings and moral codes is in itself pointless.


WeasteDevil said:
The fat lady hasn't sang yet, so it's not in the past is it?

Couldn't care less to be honest with you either way.
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Mentiroso!
 
ciderman9000000 said:
reading of tragedies in the paper or watching them on the news is all just meh.
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Terrible.

Spoony Youngblood said:
Yes, but your mentality changes when you get older. I love United. United losing used to spoil my week... I reckon it probably still does on a subconscious level, but I've come to realise that it's true and it's just a fecking game, a game played by cnuts, run by cnuts...and generally watched by cnuts. I think sometimes it's healthy to take a step back and ask yourself.... why am I getting so worked up about a 22 blokes kicking a back of wind around a pitch?! I think it's better this way, well for me, at least. Anyway, I'm off to help out all the earthquake victims. I've seen the light.

That said, I'm probably lying to myself.
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Agreed totally.
 
MG said:
Terrible.
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That's the point though, isn't it? That it's not really that terrible at all? Because however much we like to think of ourselves or our communities or our nation or our race or our species or whatever as these saintly creatures who care about everybody and everything, it's just not the case at all, because the vast majority just don't give a feck. It's all meh to all but a small minority who actually do care, whilst the rest of us just sit in front of the telly hearing about it whilst we eat our fish-finger sandwiches and think about football, and what's so terrible about that? I've got my own shit to deal with, man.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
That's the point though, isn't it? That it's not really that terrible at all? Because however much we like to think of ourselves or our communities or our nation or our race or our species or whatever as these saintly creatures who care about everybody and everything, it's just not the case at all, because the vast majority just don't give a feck. It's all meh to all but a small minority who actually do care, whilst the rest of us just sit in front of the telly hearing about it whilst we eat our fish-finger sandwiches and think about football, and what's so terrible about that? I've got my own shit to deal with, man.
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Do you squash them first is what I want to know.
 
MG said:
They said they felt worse at a team losing than they did at thousands of people dying by tidal waves. That means, to them, it was sadder when their team lost than when the tidal wave hit.
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Ok my take on this is that life throws so much at you that dealing with your own existence and all the things that come along with it takes enough out of one. Do I think that thousands of innocent people dying is a horrible thing? Of course I do. But in the end, I have responsibilities towards people that I love and towards myself to be honest, so my life takes precedence for me over that of others. It's as simple as that.

So yes, United losing does affect me more. There are a lot of horrible things that happen all over the world and not for a second am I trying to make any sound less bad, but I can't go about letting all of it affect me while I have enough to deal with personally.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Ok my take on this is that life throws so much at you that dealing with your own existence and all the things that come along with it takes enough out of one. Do I think that thousands of innocent people dying is a horrible thing? Of course I do. But in the end, I have responsibilities towards people that I love and towards myself to be honest, so my life takes precedence for me over that of others. It's as simple as that.

So yes, United losing does affect me more. There are a lot of horrible things that happen all over the world and not for a second am I trying to make any sound less bad, but I can't go about letting all of it affect me while I have enough to deal with personally.
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You are a horrible person.



Spoony Youngblood said:
Yep, but heaven knows I'm miserable now.
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Yep, this thread'll do that to you.
 
There's basically nothing wrong with putting yourself first. That's the only way to live - literally. Having no compassion for the plight of others probably makes you mentally ill, though.

However, it IS possible to do both things.

Putting others before yourself is not only hypocritical but actually impossible as a model for life.

That said, I still think that City will hang onto fourth place unfortunately, I just think their fixtures are easier and Spurs have the added distraction of the CL.
 
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