Bluemoon goes into Meltdown

Barca84 said:
Success full stop breeds resentment and we're a classic example of that but yeh manufactured success just leaves people feeling a bit well, so what? City's identity in an historical sense is dead and buried. The ambivalence about them is as a result of the fact that they are effectively a new club and one that bears little relation to what went before. It's kind of like the difference between the old Labour party and the new one. Same name, same colours but two very different things. Michael Schindler's Manchester City Ruined My Life is a good read on all this

And Chelsea never did have a big fanbase. Just goes to show doesn't it that mass appeal isn't just predicated on success.
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COLIN Schindler has apparently had his life ruined twice, once by each Manchester club.
 
ScarleyUtd said:
He may be desperately trying to back pedal now, but he was originally saying 'Ok, maybe no one gives a shit about us, but at least we're not hated – and here's the link'. So yes he did mess it up for himself.
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Yep exactly, just had a read and you can basically sum it up like this:

Ronetta said:
Unlike United, who lots of people give a shit about.

http://talksport.com/magazine/features/130223/revealed-englands-top-10-most-hated-clubs-talksport-poll-192254?p=9
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Ronetta said:
Wow there's some spectacularly dim people on this thread.

Not_many_people_hating does not equal not_many_give_a_shit.
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In his very own words, in that first post, he describes a poll about the most hated clubs as showing that 'lots of people give a shit about' United. He then spends the rest of the meltdown telling everyone they're thick for equating hating a club and giving a shit about it.

Regardless, either the two are not related, in which case the poll is irrelevant and your point about no-one giving a shit about City stands, unanswered; or the two are related, in which case he's just proven your point.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
They're a good club though, i'm not talking in terms of success. City are the current league champions, but i still feel nothing towards them.
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I respect Newcastle as well, they're one of the clubs I'd like to see do well. Would be great to see them in a cup final at Wembley. That's mainly because of their fanbase though and how I can see some parallels with City regarding their club size and lack of success. But I'd rather they had an owner like Mansour pumping money into the club than Mike Ashley. As for you feeling nothing towards City, well, fair enough, but I'm sure if City progress and build on our current success we should be able to make you hate us, hopefully. ;).
 
Its a special kind of person who, when they realise they cocked up and have been made to look foolish, think the best way to get themselves out of it is to start calling everyone else stupid. That was never going to work.
 
Brightonian said:
Yep exactly, just had a read and you can basically sum it up like this:





In his very own words, in that first post, he describes a poll about the most hated clubs as showing that 'lots of people give a shit about' United. He then spends the rest of the meltdown telling everyone they're thick for equating hating a club and giving a shit about it.

Regardless, either the two are not related, in which case the poll is irrelevant and your point about no-one giving a shit about City stands, unanswered; or the two are related, in which case he's just proven your point.
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Except one might assume the remark about Utd preceding the poll quote to be ironic in the sense of implying the reverse...

Language eh?
 
Sorry if some of this has been posted already but I think this sums up that forum.

They have a thread discussing one of the greatest moments in their history.
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=311640&sid=b79e44288bbf9ed9b407997c0a1084f3

On Good Friday 1915, the last season before the league ended for WWI, the rags were in serious danger of relegation when they went into the Good Friday game against Liverpool (whe were also in the bottom half of the table). The rags won 2-0 but there were a few suspicious incidents during the game, primarily when a Liverpool player hit the bar with a shot and some of his team-mates were clearly unhappy with him and when the rags were awarded a penalty, when 1-0 up and the penalty taker nearly hit the corner flag.

Afterwards, bookies complained about suspicious betting patterns on the result and the FA investigated. They found that players on both teams had conspired to arrange the result and a number were banned. Those two points enable the rags to finish 18th with 30 points, one place ahead of Chelsea with 29 while Spurs, with 28, were relegated.

Of course, we had to be dragged in, with City player Fred Howard found guilty of betting on the result. After the war, most of the players were pardoned apart from one, who fought the decision and lost. Billy Meredith was playing for the rags at this time, following his transfer there after our little financial scandal in 1906. That came about after allegations that he'd tried to bribe a Villa player to throw a crucial game but there's no evidence to suggest he was involved in this scandal.

Just proves that cheating is in their DNA.
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He's a mod.

In their United thread for this year...
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=309958&start=2170

nervous? you do know we are manchester city. we'll f**king bum them all over the place. every victory they have had the other team have not turned up, every f**king one. we'll f**king murder them. dont like predicing score but i'll go 4 nil. not sure about the second half though.
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I added in the "*" btw. Oh and he's another mod.

Wash your mouth out, I'm hoping they're feeling confident and come at us. We'll absolutely tear them a new one (again) if they do.
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SCUM !!!
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They have a code of conduct unbelievably. The interesting ones are below
1. No swearing in thread titles.
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5. Deliberate "wumming"/"trolling" of the forum will not be tolerated.
6. Supporters of other clubs are welcome to post, although flaming of the board is not allowed. Masquerading as a City fan will result in a ban.
7. Munich insults (or the use of the word to describe their fans) will not be tolerated.
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http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=275030&sid=b79e44288bbf9ed9b407997c0a1084f3

While 7. is obviously good, is it not a little depressing that they need to have it as a rule? They have 19 points in that Code of Conduct and No Munich Insults is number 7. It seems oddly specific. Also, I like how we are 'them'.
 
Trizy said:
Ya since the 'Aguero days' they have spent something like £250 million but only added 1 starting XI player in Fernandinho or Fernando, which ever one usually plays.

They could be at fault for their own fall. £250 million on top of a title winning squad is a scary thought but they some how managed to feck that up :lol:
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It's bizarre. You could argue that they didn't need to strengthen but they sacked a manger and now have one who seems under threat of the sack in the last 3 years so it's not as if their board is happy with how things are going.
 
Barca84 said:
Success full stop breeds resentment and we're a classic example of that but yeh manufactured success just leaves people feeling a bit well, so what? City's identity in an historical sense is dead and buried. The ambivalence about them is as a result of the fact that they are effectively a new club and one that bears little relation to what went before. It's kind of like the difference between the old Labour party and the new one. Same name, same colours but two very different things. Michael Schindler's Manchester City Ruined My Life is a good read on all this

And Chelsea never did have a big fanbase. Just goes to show doesn't it that mass appeal isn't just predicated on success.
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Yep. I have a long standing City fan mate and he was completely unsure about the whole 'project' for years. He missed the days when he was cheering on players like SWP, even if they weren't winning the league.

Only now has he started to attend the odd match.

And in terms of Chelsea, yes, they were only ever slightly bigger than QPR in terms of support.
 
BobbyManc said:
I respect Newcastle as well, they're one of the clubs I'd like to see do well. Would be great to see them in a cup final at Wembley. That's mainly because of their fanbase though and how I can see some parallels with City regarding their club size and lack of success. But I'd rather they had an owner like Mansour pumping money into the club than Mike Ashley. As for you feeling nothing towards City, well, fair enough, but I'm sure if City progress and build on our current success we should be able to make you hate us, hopefully. ;).
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I actually have nothing against City per se. I'm not from Manchester myself, so the local rivalry thing isn't really relevant to me. They can spend what they like, it's never really bothered me with City or Chelsea (apart from the whole sugar daddy thing, but that's another argument) since it's up to us to meet the challenge. I have a certain hatred for Liverpool for other reasons. The whole 20/18 thing, the Suarez affair, the fact that most of their fans and players genuinely seem to live in this delusion coated bubble. I could go on. But i don't really feel much towards City, not yet at least. I don't even hate your players that much. Toure does a huge amount for Charity, Milner seems a good laugh, and apart from the odd meltdown and arrogant media sound bite, Kompany has always come across as a decent guy too.

I was born in '93, so maybe i'm too young to remember the club you were long before the takeover. But from my perspective, and i'm sure the perspective of many other young fans, it's a little on the meh side right now. The longer you're successful the easier it will be however, as you say. If you go on to dominate the next 20 years as United dominated the last, then City will be one of the most hated clubs around. It's just jealousy, pure and simple. But other league winners such as Dortmund and Atletico are afforded a more instant respect due to their underdog status and how the club is run. If you pour a billion into a team, you almost expect them to win it.
 
Took me a few minutes to get through those hilarious pages, but where has that clown gone? Got a great laugh out of him :lol:
 
I say City have little notoriety, but i will concede that that Aguero goal will have earned them some. I'd imagine most people around the world saw that and took notice.
 
If the story about how we got the nickname rags is true, there's nothing embarrassing about it. Will proudly "wear" that name forever. :cool:

On Good Friday 1915, the last season before the league ended for WWI, the rags were in serious danger of relegation when they went into the Good Friday game against Liverpool (whe were also in the bottom half of the table). The rags won 2-0 but there were a few suspicious incidents during the game, primarily when a Liverpool player hit the bar with a shot and some of his team-mates were clearly unhappy with him and when the rags were awarded a penalty, when 1-0 up and the penalty taker nearly hit the corner flag.

Afterwards, bookies complained about suspicious betting patterns on the result and the FA investigated. They found that players on both teams had conspired to arrange the result and a number were banned. Those two points enable the rags to finish 18th with 30 points, one place ahead of Chelsea with 29 while Spurs, with 28, were relegated.

Of course, we had to be dragged in, with City player Fred Howard found guilty of betting on the result. After the war, most of the players were pardoned apart from one, who fought the decision and lost. Billy Meredith was playing for the rags at this time, following his transfer there after our little financial scandal in 1906. That came about after allegations that he'd tried to bribe a Villa player to throw a crucial game but there's no evidence to suggest he was involved in this scandal.

Just proves that cheating is in their DNA.
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Mrs Smoker said:
If the story about how we got the nickname rags is true, there's nothing embarrassing about it. Will proudly "wear" that name forever. :cool:
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I've never really understood 'Swamp' either. What's that referring to?
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I actually have nothing against City per se. I'm not from Manchester myself, so the local rivalry thing isn't really relevant to me. They can spend what they like, it's never really bothered me with City or Chelsea (apart from the whole sugar daddy thing, but that's another argument) since it's up to us to meet the challenge. I have a certain hatred for Liverpool for other reasons. The whole 20/18 thing, the Suarez affair, the fact that most of their fans and players genuinely seem to live in this delusion coated bubble. I could go on. But i don't really feel much towards City, not yet at least. I don't even hate your players that much. Toure does a huge amount for Charity, Milner seems a good laugh, and apart from the odd meltdown and arrogant media sound bite, Kompany has always come across as a decent guy too.

I was born in '93, so maybe i'm too young to remember the club you were long before the takeover. But from my perspective, and i'm sure the perspective of many other young fans, it's a little on the meh side right now. The longer you're successful the easier it will be however, as you say. If you go on to dominate the next 20 years as United dominated the last, then City will be one of the most hated clubs around. It's just jealousy, pure and simple. But other league winners such as Dortmund and Atletico are afforded a more instant respect due to their underdog status and how the club is run. If you pour a billion into a team, you almost expect them to win it.
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So you could also say you don't care about City?
 
Eboue said:
Let's be honest, you guys can't really claim you don't care about Manchester city when there is a 169 page thread cataloging the stupid things their fans say.
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I can laugh at their fans delusion well enough, but i'd do the same to Aston Villa fans if they spouted as much nonsense.
 
Eboue said:
Let's be honest, you guys can't really claim you don't care about Manchester city when there is a 169 page thread cataloging the stupid things their fans say.
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But this thread is over 5 years old. The RAWK threads get about 160+ pages per year.
 
Eboue said:
Let's be honest, you guys can't really claim you don't care about Manchester city when there is a 169 page thread cataloging the stupid things their fans say.
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Sure, they're a local rival, it's only normal most people here care about them (even if they don't like to admit it).
 
Unlikely lad said:
I never got where "rags" came from, someone enlighten me?
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Apparently between the wars United were so poor we couldn't afford decent kits, and so had to borrow some from City. We also played at Maine Road after OT was bombed.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I actually have nothing against City per se. I'm not from Manchester myself, so the local rivalry thing isn't really relevant to me. They can spend what they like, it's never really bothered me with City or Chelsea (apart from the whole sugar daddy thing, but that's another argument) since it's up to us to meet the challenge. I have a certain hatred for Liverpool for other reasons. The whole 20/18 thing, the Suarez affair, the fact that most of their fans and players genuinely seem to live in this delusion coated bubble. I could go on. But i don't really feel much towards City, not yet at least. I don't even hate your players that much. Toure does a huge amount for Charity, Milner seems a good laugh, and apart from the odd meltdown and arrogant media sound bite, Kompany has always come across as a decent guy too.

I was born in '93, so maybe i'm too young to remember the club you were long before the takeover. But from my perspective, and i'm sure the perspective of many other young fans, it's a little on the meh side right now. The longer you're successful the easier it will be however, as you say. If you go on to dominate the next 20 years as United dominated the last, then City will be one of the most hated clubs around. It's just jealousy, pure and simple. But other league winners such as Dortmund and Atletico are afforded a more instant respect due to their underdog status and how the club is run. If you pour a billion into a team, you almost expect them to win it.
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There's simply no arguing Dortmund and Atletico deserve more respect than City for what they have achieved, and it's a big reason they have so many neutrals rooting for them. The way City have achieved success I still contend was/is the only way it was possible for a club like us in the situation we were in, but our issue has been that Chelsea were there before us, an already established sugar daddy club who could break the Arsenal & United monopoly and harbour widespread interest and resentment in equal measure. That's why everything City does will feel a little underwhelming in comparison to when Chelsea did it, for example, and we will need longer to reach the level they are at regarding global appeal and fanbase.

Imagine if Wolfsburg somehow won the Bundesliga this season. It would be a huge story, an underdog overcoming the seemingly invincible Bayern. But if a couple of seasons later Schalke did the same, then less people would take an interest or be as attracted to the story because it had been done only a couple of years ago. That's basically what City are suffering now, plus how we have achieved success lacks the romanticism that coincides with a club like Dortmund or Atletico getting one over on their much bigger rival.
 
BobbyManc said:
There's simply no arguing Dortmund and Atletico deserve more respect than City for what they have achieved, and it's a big reason they have so many neutrals rooting for them. The way City have achieved success I still contend was/is the only way it was possible for a club like us in the situation we were in, but our issue has been that Chelsea were there before us, an already established sugar daddy club who could break the Arsenal & United monopoly and harbour widespread interest and resentment in equal measure. That's why everything City does will feel a little underwhelming in comparison to when Chelsea did it, for example, and we will need longer to reach the level they are at regarding global appeal and fanbase.

Imagine if Wolfsburg somehow won the Bundesliga this season. It would be a huge story, an underdog overcoming the seemingly invincible Bayern. But if a couple of seasons later Schalke did the same, then less people would take an interest or be as attracted to the story because it had been done only a couple of years ago. That's basically what City are suffering now, plus how we have achieved success lacks the romanticism that coincides with a club like Dortmund or Atletico getting one over on their much bigger rival.
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My "sensible post radar" is bleeping like crazy.
 
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