Onto the last season.
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Judge Casiemero!!
Television Better Call Saul | Includes Breaking Bad Spoilers
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
I liked the ending, I think it closed the series well.
Definite dip since the Lalo/Gus showdown though.
Definite dip since the Lalo/Gus showdown though.
So he ruined his life for no reason?
Not a logical reason, no.
All that mattered for him was Kim's opinion.
Could argue he’s given her the option of diminished responsibility if she wishes to use it. But at the same time he’s left it so she can also take full responsibility if she needs to. The Saul we’ve known has always been scheming and now he’s giving Kim control to do what she wants to.
I’m not sure I buy into that.
I think in part for me, I liked the ending because I no longer rooted for him. He was a detestable character who I had initially rooted for but didn’t like what he became, so I was glad to see that he didn’t get to ride off into the sunset.
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I listened to both during work. I do not recommend either, but the NPR one was a lot better than the Spotify one.
I thought it was a brilliant ending to a really good show. I won't go into the "all-time great" debate, as there are too many shows I haven't seen, and too much about cinematography that I don't know, so it would be meaningless, but of all the shows I have seen, the combo BB + BCS has to be among the very best, maybe not in the Six Feet Under/The Wire/The Sopranos tier, but close enough. The world they have created is so compelling, its style is so recognisable, and many of the actors (Cranston, Paul, Seehorn, etc) in it have been so incredible I'm sure it will be talked about and copied for decades to come.
You should have bolded "of all the shows I've seen" too
Havent seen 6fu. Should I?
And yes, Six Feet Under is definitely worth a go. It's completely different from the others and quite challenging to watch if you're not in the right mood though.
Is this worth watching. I watched most of Season 1 and i thought it was slow. Not much happened and i thought Sauls brother who was agoraphobic to be really annoying.
Worth trying again?
Worth trying again?
Yep.
Am I the only one who enjoyed the Chuck scenes?
You and some people who hard ons on tin foils.
Yes
Thoroughly enjoyed the show. I was also reminded what a complete dickhead Walt was for the few brief scenes he was in. Nothing really to add to a well contributed thread. Good work lads n lassies
I think they added to the story alright. Not sure what people's issue with them is.
'Chicanery' was one of the best episodes of the entire series.
I liked Chuck. Complex fella and their relationship equally so.
On a rewatch of Breaking Bad and near to the end.
In the penultimate episode Granite State Saul gives Walt 'a nickels worth of advice for old times sake' while they are waiting for new identities.
He says that Walt is leaving Skyler high and dry to face the music on her own and he should walk in head held high and be a celebrity at the prison.
In the penultimate episode Granite State Saul gives Walt 'a nickels worth of advice for old times sake' while they are waiting for new identities.
He says that Walt is leaving Skyler high and dry to face the music on her own and he should walk in head held high and be a celebrity at the prison.
It gets slower.
Chucks storyline was overly depressing, but how Jimmy's relationship with him and its impact on him was interesting.
Wait what? I thought the pacing was pretty constant. The first 2 seasons were just ultra depressing.
Just watched the final episodes. That seals it, although I'd strongly been considering it since season 4.
It's a better show than Breaking Bad for me.
It's a better show than Breaking Bad for me.
Highly subjective of course, but I find it better in the artistic sense. The overall story arc of Breaking Bad to me is superior though.
I don’t understand calls that it’s better then Breaking Bad. It can’t really stand on its own two feet. Their main characters with the exception of Kim were established in Breaking Bad. That show earned the connection to those characters and multiple parts of the story don’t make sense unless you’ve seen Breaking Bad.
Absolutely. BB also had a bunch of filler. The start of season 2 was really fecking boring (where Jesse was being homeless for a couple of episodes) and that fly episode was terrible.
Better Call Saul has a lot more filler than Breaking Bad.
The first season is nicely paced, just has low stakes. It tells a more-or-less complete story about how Jimmy becomes Saul and introduces him to Mike. The show gets a lot slower after that since they decide to not turn him into Saul, everything just slows to a crawl.
I disagree, the show is just slow, but I felt like there was a point to almost everything, even if it wasn't immediately obvious to me. Some scenes didn't tie directly into the story but were beautiful cinematography, which I didn't really mind.
If you need to show WW chasing a fly for an hour to hammer home the point that he's a control freak with OCD or if you need 4 episodes of Jesse walking the street stumbling over garbage cans to make the point he has no purpose in his life, that's really shit writing and wasting the audience's time.
The problem with "filler" is that it's in the eye of the beholder. If you love a show you'll think it has none; if you don't, you will.
Season 1 ends with Jimmy rejecting a job. Season 2 begins with him taking that decision back and holding that job for 7 episodes before he realizes, long after we did, that he doesn't want it. It's filler and a complete waste of time, it is just there so that they can get out of following through on the S1 ending.
Then Jimmy loses the ability to practice law in mid-season 3 and spends a season and a half not being a lawyer. Entire episodes are dedicated to him doing minor cons, selling prepaid cell phones, stealing figurines. Just a total waste of time. A season and a half!
And then there's other stuff. Take Mike's daughter-in-law. She's introduced as an actual character, there's stuff going on there, Mike has a relationship with her, etc. And then over time she appears in less episodes per season and isn't really doing much of anything, and by the end she's a total afterthought. There was no real arc here or anything of the sort, just couldn't figure out what to do this and dropped it.
Obviously everyone is allowed to like whatever they want, but I can't fathom caring about or even understanding shit like Mesa Verde or Sandpiper, boring legal cases that took up an enormous amount of time and amounted to nothing.
Season 1 ends with Jimmy rejecting a job. Season 2 begins with him taking that decision back and holding that job for 7 episodes before he realizes, long after we did, that he doesn't want it. It's filler and a complete waste of time, it is just there so that they can get out of following through on the S1 ending.
Then Jimmy loses the ability to practice law in mid-season 3 and spends a season and a half not being a lawyer. Entire episodes are dedicated to him doing minor cons, selling prepaid cell phones, stealing figurines. Just a total waste of time. A season and a half!
And then there's other stuff. Take Mike's daughter-in-law. She's introduced as an actual character, there's stuff going on there, Mike has a relationship with her, etc. And then over time she appears in less episodes per season and isn't really doing much of anything, and by the end she's a total afterthought. There was no real arc here or anything of the sort, just couldn't figure out what to do this and dropped it.
Obviously everyone is allowed to like whatever they want, but I can't fathom caring about or even understanding shit like Mesa Verde or Sandpiper, boring legal cases that took up an enormous amount of time and amounted to nothing.
Better Call Saul had multiple episodes watching guys digging a hole in the ground. The series ended with a few episodes showing us that Saul likes to scheme.
That's if you take Better Call Saul in isolation... It's setting up Mike's motivations for Breaking Bad.
Yes but he's right.... that could of legit just been the one episode, the backstory on Mike, they did bring her in to seemingly be a consistent presence, only to realize she's not actually, she's just there to pad out the show, for no reason whatsoever, other than for that 1 episode.
It's almost certainly intentional, but a lot of BCS just feels like it's a semi fly on the wall as opposed to an actual dramatic series. It's very very cuttable without actually losing the development and story of the actual series, hell you could probably make it less than 40 episodes, and still end up more or less with same conclusions and understanding of them.
If you like being a fly on the wall in a world your invested in, then it's not necassarily a bad thing, and for me, it wasn't(mostly). I'd much rather be a fly on the wall than have an episode dedicated to a fly.
It's almost certainly intentional, but a lot of BCS just feels like it's a semi fly on the wall as opposed to an actual dramatic series. It's very very cuttable without actually losing the development and story of the actual series, hell you could probably make it less than 40 episodes, and still end up more or less with same conclusions and understanding of them.
If you like being a fly on the wall in a world your invested in, then it's not necassarily a bad thing, and for me, it wasn't(mostly). I'd much rather be a fly on the wall than have an episode dedicated to a fly.
No, it did not.
Not whole episodes. Just large parts of multiple episodes for a story you needed to watch Breaking Bad to understand or care about and contained zero character development.
I thought we were doing hyperbole when you said Breaking Bad had Jessie wandering around homeless for four episodes. Something that led to him meeting his girlfriend that Walter let die. You know, a huge part of the show and the characters motivation. As opposed to finding out how a lab was built that surely nobody gave a feck about.
A decent ending, I think everything has been wrapped up in the breaking bad universe and I hope Vince Gilligan moves onto something new now.
The lab scenes introduced Werner, which is what unlocked Lalo learning more about what Gus was doing and ultimately led to that showdown. That's not even mentioning the impact Werner had on Mike and how we see his character.
Everything in BCS had a point. Everything. Which is why people praise the writing as being better than BB, even if the show overall might not quite have hit the same heights.
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Don’t get me started on how a Mexican drug lord put all that together like he was the worlds greatest detective.
Mike’s character didn’t change a jot.
They're no dummies
Really? He'd only killed someone as revenge before that moment with Werner, that was his true breaking bad moment and it tore him apart.He then quit working for Gus, went on an alcoholic binge, fell out with his granddaughter and stepdaughter then wound up being stabbed and almost dying.
When Mike was in Breaking Bad he was a former crooked cop with a sense of loyalty to his men who did what he did to provide for his granddaughter. In Better Call Saul he started out as a former crooked cop with a sense of loyalty to his men who did what he did to provide for his granddaughter. When it ended he was…….well you get the point. What you’ve outlined there are things that happened to him.
He then quit working for Gus, went on an alcoholic binge, fell out with his granddaughter and stepdaughter then wound up being stabbed and almost dying.