I'd man mark them, but I'd also have 1 player zonal mark. He can sniff out danger if necessary.
Hopefully we defend it better next time(and concede less corners too).
Hopefully we defend it better next time(and concede less corners too).
Best way to defend Arsenal’s sh*thouse corners? | Or most other corners
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Nope, you could punch someone in the face while the ball is on the corner spot and it's not a penalty because the ball is dead and the restart is the corner. If the ball is in the air, then yeah he can give the foul, but not before the corner is taken.
He can book you or send you off, but he can't give a penalty.
Bring back Schmeichel or Van Der Sar and command that box by either punching it or collecting it and shoving your own players out of the way. Never understand why that is not drilled into goalkeepers anymore. The “this box is my domain, f*** with me at your own peril” attitude
Man-to-man for sure, teams are just getting overwhelmed at the point of attack otherwise physically.
I mean there's really nothing special to it when you think about it. Consistent delivery in the right areas and they have an above average amount of 6ft+ players in their side so this is always going to cause problems, but a lot of the reason they are scoring so much is they are pushing off, blocking goalkeepers, pinning players in place. Teams have to be prepared to get more physical when the ball is dead to try and disrupt these patterns.
And then when the ball's in play and they're getting two hands in the back, play up the foul. Hojlund probably should have done this yesterday for example.
I mean there's really nothing special to it when you think about it. Consistent delivery in the right areas and they have an above average amount of 6ft+ players in their side so this is always going to cause problems, but a lot of the reason they are scoring so much is they are pushing off, blocking goalkeepers, pinning players in place. Teams have to be prepared to get more physical when the ball is dead to try and disrupt these patterns.
And then when the ball's in play and they're getting two hands in the back, play up the foul. Hojlund probably should have done this yesterday for example.
This has nothing to do with Arsenal, but I remember a national team (Azerbaijan?) who would defend a corner by just all running out of the box. It confused the attacking team for a bit until they eventually conceded
Yeah I get that, but getting players needlessly booked and dismissed for misconduct doesn't seem to be the best response to difficulty defending corners.
Arsenal scoring from corners is outrageous anti-football cheating and in order to stop them we should hand back the Champions league trophy from 1999 since we also cheated our way to the treble
You'll have to buy Rice and Saka up. The delivery is 90% of the job and both of them are doing a brilliant job, the corners are like missiles and would likely end up in the goal even without a bunch of 6.3 players attacking them. In fact, one of the corners almost ended up in the goal off a defender. They just need a touch.
Not saying you punch them in the face.
You just get tighter, pull hands/jerseys, jostle & lean in with shoulders, stand on toes, rake heels, etc. Just generally annoy them so they lose focus on their movement, if the referee steps in to stop it, that slows it down even more.
Very rarely will a referee issue a card for that stuff, and you just have to be disciplined enough to stop before the ball is played.
Just stick five attackers near the half way line. Or just tell whoever is getting pushed to actually fall over. It’ll get called more often than not.
I just don't think we'd get away with that kind of stuff, based on the overreaction we often see when our players do lean towards shithousery.
Arsenal get away with taking players out off the ball. You can easily make a bit of toe stomping look accidental.
Unfortunately, I just don't believe that what Arsenal can get away with and what we can get away with are the same thing, as I've already alluded to.
Be way more physical as they are being very physical. Have a stronger near post aerial defender as ours missed a stupid amount of headers yesterday. Play up fouls when the keeper gets blocked off
Get them all linking arms forming a wall to block their runs into the box
Arsenal attackers don't give away their final position until moments before the corner is taken. Maybe our defenders could do the same.
Can't understand why we didn't go man to man and block their runs into the box. You can almost just create a line of defenders in front of them to stop them from charging. It's not the same as man to man with other corner routines where the players are coming in from the edge of the box and therefore there is a greater risk of evading the defender and getting momentum onto the cross, so going zonal is better for that situation.
One risk I see, and it's a result of the refereeing bias, is that if we do block an attackers run successfully, using physical strength, then the attacker can flay their arms and fall to the ground to demand a penalty. With VAR, you can very easily see penalties be given, eventhough on the flip side the attackers are doing the exact same thing to the defenders but nothing is being called.
We have 10 men + the keeper, I think they usually attack with 6 with at the back post, so have 6 players go man to man there and a couple playing zone around the penalty area to defend the ball in case one of the players loses their man.
One risk I see, and it's a result of the refereeing bias, is that if we do block an attackers run successfully, using physical strength, then the attacker can flay their arms and fall to the ground to demand a penalty. With VAR, you can very easily see penalties be given, eventhough on the flip side the attackers are doing the exact same thing to the defenders but nothing is being called.
We have 10 men + the keeper, I think they usually attack with 6 with at the back post, so have 6 players go man to man there and a couple playing zone around the penalty area to defend the ball in case one of the players loses their man.
Line up 6 guys on the goal line. Have one defender near post, another far post. Then have the keeper in the middle who is the one tasked with competing for the ball - and just go hard with knees, shoulder, fists. I'd actually back Onana or someone like Ederson with this.
Instead of working out how to defend against them, why not copy them and do the same for our own corners, since it works quite well
The keeper needs to stand further towards the front post, and the defenders need to want to attack the ball more. They are only dangerous from the near post corners, the far post corners are easily dealt with. The keeper stands towards the front post then you're forcing the issue for the far post option.
It's pretty simple really, all this talk of how good their corners are, we defended the vast majority of them well, the ones we didn't came from lacklustre defending. .
It's pretty simple really, all this talk of how good their corners are, we defended the vast majority of them well, the ones we didn't came from lacklustre defending. .
I reckon fergie'd be moaning in the press and the ref's ear about it constantly in an effort to out a spotlight on the issue
It was frustrating because up until 2-0, we had probably the best control anyone has had on their open play for a few years on Emirates. So many of their corners were either the result of a previous corner, or a mind-boggling individual mistake (Dalot running the ball over the line, Zirkzee and Rashford ‘clearing’ the ball back into the box, Rashford playing slippy-uppy …).
It’s no big deal in the grand scheme, because it’s obvious it would be more important for Amorim to use the few excersises available to train ground play, and Arsenal is the most dangerous team in the league on corners. It was an obvious risk.
However, as some points out, if Højlund and a few other youngsters aren’t experienced enough to fall to the ground when hit from behind, it will cost us in that match. However I think it’s more important for us the great control we exerted on their play in the first 45 minutes, that’s something to build on.
Watching the first goal back, it probably doesn't happen if Maguire is on the front post. Instead he's rendered useless standing in line with the penalty spot and nowhere near an opponent. Whatever else about him, he's the best in the squad at getting first contact, so if he's on the pitch, you probably want him standing wherever the ball is going. And it's not like we didn't know where the ball was going by that point.
Machine gun nests
1. Have taller players at the near post.
2. Have a taller GK who is good in the air.
They smelled blood because we struggled with their near post corners at first and tried until they scored.
2. Have a taller GK who is good in the air.
They smelled blood because we struggled with their near post corners at first and tried until they scored.
I think he's trying to win a goal kick, but he's properly fecked it up.
We're training as two separate squads in an unfamiliar system, so there's something of a bit of leeway for not having as much time to prepare for set pieces as well as we could've done.
Form a horizontal wall and face the corner taker in front of all the arsenal players clustered at the back post.
They have to go around, otherwise, they'll barge into someone's back
They have to go around, otherwise, they'll barge into someone's back
Not a lot you can do when the ref warns our defenders but allows the Arsenal lads to foul at will.
I mean Hojlund was clearly fouled on the first goal and we didn't even get a VAR check.
I mean Hojlund was clearly fouled on the first goal and we didn't even get a VAR check.
The ref even talked to Højlund on one of the other corners, after getting shoved around and shoving back. Before the corner was taken.Not a lot you can do when the ref warns our defenders but allows the Arsenal lads to foul at will.
I mean Hojlund was clearly fouled on the first goal and we didn't even get a VAR check.
Do they have players with great heading / in the air ability, or is it just the delivery? I think it's the latter and to be honest quite amazing in terms of accuracy, power and consistency. I don't think there's a way to defend against that volume of so well executed corners.
Oh the delivery was exceptional on at least 6 of their corners. Can't fault them for that, but you can highlight how absurd it is that they're allowed to smash through players and push people over to win space.
Hojlund was getting the ball on that 1st goal but was pushed out the way to allow a free header. Bizarre that shit is allowed. Happened at the weekend too.
Hope we personally kicked up a fuss about that in private.
You didn't even have any corners yesterday while Arsenal had 13. Defending them should be United's focus.
Do a klopp and talk about how the refs never whistle for obstruction in the pre-match presser.
Line of players from the post, with arms linked. Then fall down when the Arse players rush into them
This is such a brilliant reply. RVP was awesome at it.
Zone marking is done though. As Pogue said the bum rush comes in and the defenders are already swamped and in so many cases all that's needed is a glancing header. Whereas the defender needs to get full contact in the opposite direction.
Man marking is what it will make more difficult. But then it comes down to personnel and match ups.
Love these hypothetical threads where we can dissect football plays.
All teams should copy them. Once the shoving and blocking becomes endemic and referees start to inconsistently deal with it, there will be an outcry and it will be dealt with properly.
Their delivery is fantastic and the way they don’t give away their positions early is good but the blocking is key to making it all work
Their delivery is fantastic and the way they don’t give away their positions early is good but the blocking is key to making it all work
I think that was when he was actually doing a marking job at the back stick on Saliba, who then barged him into the goal on his way past him.
feck them anyway, we'll beat them next game.
feck that all it would take is for us to start doing it, they'll clamp down straight away...
Don't give them corners