Hmmm isnt that exactly how Robben scores , cutting in from the right ?? Guess Robben shouldnt use his speed ..lol
Best Dribbler In The World
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Hmmm isnt that exactly how Robben scores , cutting in from the right ?? Guess Robben shouldnt use his speed ..lol
Messi before any other player in the world, he's done it time and time again, it's not even a contest.
A conference winger in the Prem is to all intents and purposes "absolutely useless". To say Bolt given the ability of a Conference player on the ball could make it in the Prem is ridiculous. There are plenty of fast players in the Conference, do you really think the only thing stopping them making it in the Prem is that extra second over a 100m or that extra half a second over 40-50m?
You surely cannot think that.
How much Conference football have you watched live? I've watched a lot of United, Huddersfield and Halifax live over the years and the touch of lower league players isn't nearly as bad as people who purely watch top level football seem to think, especially if the player isn't particularly quick or strong.
Mascherano.
I watch my local club Macclesfield in the conference whenever it doesn't clash with City. Don't delude yourself, they may look like Messi when playing in a local park with some mates but the step-up from the Conference to the Premier League is incredibly huge. Answer this then - there will be at least one winger in the Conference who can clock about 11 seconds-ish over 100m. Do you think it is only the difference in time between him and Bolt over 100m that prevents him making it at a higher level?
Iniesta & Suarez. Pure class.
No, what he lacks is technique, skill, decision making etc..
But if you take a slower winger, who presumably is a conference player because of his technique and decision making and gave him Bolt's pace, then he could be Premier League level.
To reverse the question. If Walcott or Lennon had the pace of Charlie Adam, what level of football do you think they'd play at?
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If Walcott or Lennon had the pace of Charlie Adam they would never have been wingers in the first place. Even in the Conference the wingers are fast, slow players wouldn't be trained for that position
What level do you think they'd play at in any position then?
It's hard to say, they'd be completely different players and wouldn't have become wingers for a start. Regardless, Lennon and Walcott possess ten times the technical ability of any Conference player. Charlie Adam still has no pace and plays at the same level as Lennon and Walcott so you are basically defeating your own argument. Snodgrass plays on the wings and has virtually no pace, he is a decent player for Norwich though.
That's absolute rubbish.
I used to play with Cameron Jerome at youth level and the guy was a nothing player in terms of ability, not even particularly stand out in terms of even regular under 14's level where we played but he had pace/power and strength and now he's played Premier League football for years. Premier League players aren't all at some absolute elite level mere mortals can't touch, physique goes a long, long way in many cases.
Surprised Suarez has hardly been mentioned. Probably the best dribbler in the PL.
I used to think it was Messi because like he actually is the best, but then I read this thread.
The best dribbler of a football in the world is Lionel Messi. Why is that even up for discussion?
Surprised Suarez is hardly mentioned. He's absolutely brilliant in the space around touch-line and corner flag. Such a great withdrawn striker.
EDIT: SoT beat me to it as I didn't read the last page before posting
EDIT: SoT beat me to it as I didn't read the last page before posting
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You sound somewhat bitter to me that Jerome got picked ahead of you. Still hurts huh?
I agree.
I would give Messi overall dribbling and explosive dribbling?
What is sprint dribbling??
For me I don't think the categories provided in the OP are definitive enough to conclude who is the best dribbler or what makes the best dribbler. For me the best dribbler in the world would be able to combine trickery, close control, unpredictability, consistency (in terms of beating opponents), pace, decision-making (knowing when to and when not to dribble), strength (to ride tackles), stamina (to be able to dribble again and again during a game)... and be able to do it in the tightest and toughest of games, as well as against run of the mill opposition.
I would say a Ribery/Hazard comes closest to satisfying all these categories... but the likes of Messi, Iniesta and Robben whilst lacking in trickery excel despite lacking trickery (say in comparison to a Ronaldo or Neymar).
Its easy to say Messi is the best bar none, but in the top games, someone like Robben is a more consistent dribbler in that you can rely on him to keep taking men on consistently and beat them, whereas Messi tends to pick and choose his moments when to run at players. Then you have someone like Ribery who never seems to struggle with his dribbling against tough opponents as he is very strong.. you can't kick him out of a game. Iniesta is sublime to watch, but does he have the same pressure placed on him as a Ribery to keep running at defenders throughout the 90 minutes?
Tough call in my opinion.. all I know is a combination of a Ronaldo/Messi = complete, but the last truly complete dribbler we had was probably Ronaldinho in his prime who had elements of all types of dribbling.
How old are you?
Yeah, and it's not even that he's the best there is now, he's arguably the best there has ever been
You labelled him a "nothing player in terms of ability" at 14 yet he went on to play in the Premier League. Without joking, your post came across as bitter. If Jerome can be a crap striker in the Prem, he could be an excellent one in the Conference which you seem to rate so highly.
A lot of people would say Garrincha, but it's impossible to compare such hugely different generations.
Messi, by the biggest mile there could ever be.
The best in the Premier League is Suarez. Aguero, Hazard, Silva and yes, Nani and Ben Arfa, are all worth a mention.
The best in the Premier League is Suarez. Aguero, Hazard, Silva and yes, Nani and Ben Arfa, are all worth a mention.
Good points @Raees but what does stamina really have to do with dribbling ability.
All miles are the same length.
And another soul saved by Eboue
The Green Mile is like three hours long.
I would donate to watch you play John Coffey. You don't even need to bother with the parts before the chair.
Thank you.
A country mile is apparently longer than a normal mile also
If you ever need to know about units, don't hesitate to PM me. For future reference, a pound of feathers weighs the same as a pound of bricks.
I know
As good as Modric has become, not close to Iniesta in terms of Dribbling ability.
Kerlon
Without a doubt Messi, Iniesta is the best technical dribbler, but Messi's dribbling with the ball is just unmatched.
Messi then Iniesta.
i know it's nothing earth shattering, but who remembers this dribble?
I remember watching that match and being impressed mostly because he did it so fast I couldn't actually tell how he'd shifted the ball initially.
It doesn't even look like he did a feint. That was just brilliant.
Which makes the comparison with some of the players mentioned in this thread all the more absurd.