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Best Dribbler In The World
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I am a huge David Silva fan, but noway is he better than Iniesta at close control.
Have you extensively watched Iniesta over the years, and then decided that David Silva has the better control and close quarters dribbling? In fact, to resolve this question, one only has to watch a few games of each player. And hey, what a convenient coincidence! Both play for the same national team which makes it easier to compare. You might also want to consider that one is the main man and always a starter for said national side since their golden age begun, and the other has been in and out.
As I've mentioned, I have watched more of Silva than Iniesta. Mentioning Iniesta's involvement in the national team is pretty irrelevant, I'm not arguing Silva is the better player. A manager doesn't pick his players based solely on close control dribbling. I have my opinion, you have yours. Neither can categorically be right or wrong.
Lionel Graham Messi. Is this really a question?
What is the definition of the sprint category?
Is it knocking the ball on and then chasing it? If so then probably Bale over Ronaldo, though in tighter games I think Ronaldo is much cleverer about it where as Bale tends to go for it when it isn't on and eventually lose control.
If it's simply dribbling at top speed, I think Messi wins that category too, running with the ball at close control at top speed is one of those attributes he has that few have ever had.
Is it knocking the ball on and then chasing it? If so then probably Bale over Ronaldo, though in tighter games I think Ronaldo is much cleverer about it where as Bale tends to go for it when it isn't on and eventually lose control.
If it's simply dribbling at top speed, I think Messi wins that category too, running with the ball at close control at top speed is one of those attributes he has that few have ever had.
Messi all day long in any context except this weird spring thing you've made up where I'd go for Bale or Lucas Moura.
Iniesta's main asset is his close control dribbling, it is what makes him world class. In fact in all other departments, you would be justified in arguing that Silva has the upper hand, shooting, finishing, final ball, maybe even playmaking (debatable) but in terms of close control no one comes close to Iniesta. Trust me dude, i have been watching the current generation of Spaniards since their very early days, matchday in and matchday out, plus all the Spain national team games. I have been watching as much PL as I do LL, why would I lie to you?
Iniesta is quite clearly much better at dribbling than Silva. How on earth can you like football and not have seen loads of Iniesta?
No, I think it's justified, this whole sprint thing I mean. Messi, as mega as he is, cannot burn defenders for raw pace like Ronaldo, Bale or Robben. Granted, Messi's overall dribbling ability pisses all over everyone else, but in terms of skinning defenders in open space (something Barcelona never-ever enjoy in any case) players like Bale, Ronaldo and Robben will just eat you alive. Messi cannot come close to that kind of speed.
I'm not even particularly arguing that Silva is better than Iniesta at close control dribbling. My opinion is that Silva is the best at it but I have accepted my view is biased and I see much more of Silva, I'm sure if I watched Iniesta week-in week-out I might conclude he is better at it, but I don't.
It is not a case of lying, it is simply your opinion. You cannot be lying as you are not talking about undisputed facts.
Surely the only answer is Messi? He has scored numerous goals via dribbles that virtually every other player could only dream of doing. Occasionally a player can pull off a great dribble and might score, but nobody does it anywhere near as well and consistently as Messi does
Sorry OP but to rate dribblers in terms of category and have Hazard and Luka effing Modric top them and no Messi is just blasphemous. He and Iniesta are the best dribblers in the world and it's not close. Guys like Ronaldo and Bale for example are rated highly for their dribbling but they're just pace merchants. Knock it past the opponent and use your pace to beat him to it.
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That's not really dribbling, it's just being really fast.
Give Usain Bolt the touch of lets say Clint Hill and he'd destroy Bale, Ronaldo, Lucas or Robben at this spring dribbling thing because really it's just about speed.
I've only seen him in the odd Barcelona domestic game, El Classicos, Champions League knockout games, Euro + World Cup matches. I've seen Silva in every single game he has played for City since he signed. I have simply seen more of Silva and I just think his dribbling is incredible and the best I've seen.
You don't even have to watch Iniesta for any sustained period to be amazed by his sheer brilliance in tight spaces. Virtually, in every other game, he will come up with a series of close touches and dribbles that seem very much like special effects. For anyone who is a fan of Iniesta's brand of football, I would recommend to watch his performances in the run-in of of the 08/09 season. In that period, his form was so outrageous that he easily outshone all the stars of that legendary team. Long-time Barca fans will know I am not bluffing here...
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His last goal against Napoli
His last goal against Napoli
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Point taken. But Bolt is not a football player, Bale, Christiano and Robben are. Still, those players, use their pace to beat defenders, and if there is space for them, the defender is virtually hopeless. Messi, Iniesta or Silva cannot do that.
To be fair that last part simply isn't true. Bale, Robben, Ronaldo etc. all have explosive pace in short bursts which for one, Bolt doesn't have, and two, their is a reason they are among football's best. It isn't an aimless kick and run approach, it requires a football brain that not many other players possess.
This is an incredibly dumb argument. Is he also better than ronaldinho because you've seen less of him?
Where would Fellaini rank?
Perhaps bolt doesn't have the best acceleration on the 100m finals circuit but he would decimate any professional footballers.Iniesta isn't "much better" at close control than David Silva. They are comparable, the hyperbole is as if you're comparing Iniesta to Fàbregas or something.
Nope. It is one aspect of Silva's and Iniesta's game and whenever I have seen them I have felt Silva's is better. I'm not saying categorically Silva is better in my view because I have seen more of him and I would need to watch Iniesta every week to give a fair view. It is not a case of 'I have seen more of him therefore he is better' it is a case of when I have seen them I haven't felt Iniesta to be any better than Silva at it, but concede I would need to watch Iniesta every matchday as well to give a completely balanced view.
Messi in all categories. By a landslide.
Iniesta second in probably all categories too.
Iniesta second in probably all categories too.
Would you say its a coincidence that the only two people who don't find that laughable are City fans?
He's quite the cracker, I agree.
Messi's quick feet and close control is unparalleled. That's how he beat defenders. I've never seen a player who is so good at wrong footing defenders.
Bale vs Barta? That's raw pace. Messi doesn't have that. But he is still pretty quick though.
Bale vs Barta? That's raw pace. Messi doesn't have that. But he is still pretty quick though.
In a 100m race he would. But how far does a player have to run to beat a man in football? About 10 metres? Bale and Ronaldo's explosive pace with the ball at their feet is probably better than what Bolt could offer.
i know it's nothing earth shattering, but who remembers this dribble?
I remember watching that match and being impressed mostly because he did it so fast I couldn't actually tell how he'd shifted the ball initially.
I remember watching that match and being impressed mostly because he did it so fast I couldn't actually tell how he'd shifted the ball initially.
The fact is it is an area they both excel in and if you find it laughable to compare the two then so be it, that is your opinion.
You're being ridiculous here. Bolt's first 60m in the 100m he did in 2009 is the fastest anyone has ever run 60m. His first 50m in Beijing were 5.65 seconds, 0.09 seconds behind the world record even in a 50m race. He would absolutely rinse any football player extremely easily over any distance
Before the injuries Nani was up there. Let's hope he can get back to that.
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Have you ever played football? Go outside and keep a ball in front of you while running at full speed. Actually, don't bother. You probably think Ronaldo is a glorified poacher.
so after all that thought, the answer still wasn't messi?No I'm not at all. Over 10m or so the difference between Bolt, Bale and Ronaldo bursting pace a defender will be so minimal it would be pointless to compare.
Just like the difference between bartra and bale isn't that big? You're just so clearly wrong here