What does that have to do with anything? The mentioned players have had little to no influence in us looking like a good side, so what would moving them on change exactly?
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What does that have to do with anything? The mentioned players have had little to no influence in us looking like a good side, so what would moving them on change exactly?
You had Griezmann, Silva and a new DM in your lineup. I quoted it in the comment I was responding to. That's 3 new players out of 6 positions.
Hardly means Herrera etc would be moved on. This is all hypothetical but if it was true we were signing Silva that would mean one of our attackers would have to be moved on as I don't see Mata etc. being okay with playing a bit part role. That was the main reason he left Chelsea after all.
Herrera will get games next season, even if we were to sign a new midfielder (which I believe is the most important position we need to strengthen this summer).
How good is Gelson? Long-term, do you think one of Renato or João Mario ends up pushed up on the left with Silva on the right?
What do you think?
Ronaldo - Andre Silva - Bernardo Silva
R. Guerreiro - Joao Mario
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R. Guerreiro - Joao Mario
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We have too many quality midfielders and one quality (and healthy) left fullback so I'd let Raphael stay in defense and put Gomes or Adrien there depending on who we play. I don't think André Silva is ready to start either and after Nani's Euros can we really take him out? So something like this:
Ronaldo - Nani
João Mário - Gomes/Adrien - Bernardo Silva
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Raphael Guerreiro - Pepe - Fonte - Nelson Semedo
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Gelson, super sub Quaresma and André Silva ready to come off the bench if we need a goal, William if we need to park the bus, Renato/Gomes/Adrien/Moutinho if we need to refresh the midfield and Éder if we need a miracle. I think we have all the options we could hope for and with Nelson Semedo and Bernardo Silva we'll be solving two of our biggest problems from the Euros: right back and lack of creativity from midfield.João Mário - Gomes/Adrien - Bernardo Silva
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Raphael Guerreiro - Pepe - Fonte - Nelson Semedo
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Fair points.
I rarely see the resident Portuguese posters mention Ricardo Pereira, is he flying a bit under the radar for you in France? He's excellent, can play either side and is one of the best full-backs in the league there.
I liked him at Porto but I haven't seen him play at Nice, so I honestly don't know. I've seen a lot of people calling the best right back in France atm and even some rumors of a transfer worth more than 20 million euros but if I had to guess Fernando Santos won't even call him to the team. He trusts Cedric, Cancelo has been great going forward and Nélson Semedo is the one being talked about the most.
Gelson is great. Not so much flair or natural talent as other wingers but very quick, agile, and direct. Simple processes but by no means a limited player. He can tear down a left back with a simple faint or touch. A bit like Mane but with higher ceiling.
I think Bernardo Silva will be the back up plan if we fail to pull off Griezmann.
Agreed. I think the obvious vacancy is the right flank where Silva has played very well this season. I think there are other options if Griezmann decides he wants to stay one more year (including the likes of Silva's teammate Thomas Lemas, or Dybala at Juve), but I can't see both coming, Not even if Mata and Rooney are moved on in the summer.
Yeah, I am not sure it's the right thing to do but my guess is we'll be seeing more of Mkhi central next season and the LW and RW will be inside forwards with a midfield 2 behind or in most games it will be closer to a 4-1-4-1 with Pogba between the #6 and Mkhi.
I think that's likely, but it'll demand a proper athletic sitting midfield destroyer of the type Mourinho has always favoured to make it work. Neither Carrick nor Hererra are in that catergory. Personally, I love TFM for that role, but given how few chances he's been given this season, I struggle to believe he'll be a starter in that position in August, so I expect the club will invest strongly there. It could well be Mourinho's most important signing in 2017.
I think the key thing in that position is positional sense and the ability to read the game, it's why TFM wont be an option for a while yet in that role IMO. If you look at Jose's midfield's he's always had a brain with technical quality that has great awareness and covers the ground in their head in the holding role, players like Makelele, Motta, Alonso and Matic, none of whom were superemely ahtletic or fast, but who covered the gaps perfectly next to a more adventurous CM, although I do think going this route will also require Pogba to improve the defensive side of his game a bit.
Silva will be a great option to strengthen our attack. He's an upgrade on Mata on the right and looks to be just as good at the 10 position, but perhaps not quite as consistent in terms of goal scoring.
If we can get him and Griezmann in with Young and Depay leaving then that's a much stronger squad all round.
If we can get him and Griezmann in with Young and Depay leaving then that's a much stronger squad all round.
Mourinho has talked about bringing in fewer players, but players that are a significant improvement on the players we have. I think that mean players that can make a difference. Compared to Mata, Mhiki and Martial, I'm not convinced Bernardo Silva can.
Five goals and five assist from an attacking player in Ligue 1 playing for a team with seventy goals is not very impressive. Actually, its so mediocre its almost scary. Mata has five goals, two assists in PL for a team with 36 goals.
And Silva seems quite inconsistent. I agree that he probably is more suited to our game than Mata or Martial, but is he a big upgrade?
Would be interesting to see David Silvas stats at that age or Iniesta. Compared to Ozil and Mata.
For me taking output aside which will improve as he matures, his impact on a match in terms of dictating play and carrying the ball is ahead of a Mata already. He's quicker and more self reliant in that respect.. can take on players under pressure down the line if need be and his passing is more positive.
Not saying he's the right signing for us necessarily but would back him to be a more instrumental player than Mata for any team he moves to and that doesn't necessarily get reflected in goals and assists.
I see Griezmann as our second striker for home games and our lone striker for big games and away games.
Silva is right wing signing or we will get another right winger and possibly even another left winger if he gives up on Martial and Rashford.
He is a lovely player. But I'm not sure he is a player we should make a priority right now.
And Im not sure I would compare him to Iniesta either. Juan Mata had eight goald and twelve assists for Valencia. David Silva had eight goals and seven assist. More game time, but for a team that had fewer goals.
That's a fair opinion, can see why that would be the case. I too am in two minds as I'd prefer pace out wide and genuine width.
Stats can be misleading. He is often the "assister of the assister", playing not the final pass but the killer ball to open a defence for an overlapping fullback to cross it etc.
We need goalscorers on the wings. We don't have a Lampard in midfield, so the end product has to be shared amongst the front 3. There's no getting around that.
To a much bigger degree than other attacking players in Monaco? Not that sure. To a bigger degree than Mata or Miki? Probably not, in my opinion. Would be cool to see some numbers on it.
He is a brilliant player that I love watching, but it feels like his hype is bigger on RedCafe than on L'Equipe or similar.
He is seen as the best player in the league by L'Equipe.
Here are the players he is compared with by L'Equipe, http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Le-portrait-robot-de-bernardo-silva/774717.
Had not seen that article. According to player rating they seem to favour Lemar quite often in France. And very often it seems fair.
Never use L'equipe ratings, they are weird. Players are partially graded by the expectation of the writer and some biased contextualitzation.
Don't fall for the hype. There's nothing remotely special about him & he isn't the best player in Ligue Un.
Hazard, Dembele, Benzema etc those were top of the line talents. Silva on the other hand is a poor mans James Rodriguez. If I was buying any player from Monaco he'd be like 8th on that list.
Hazard, Dembele, Benzema etc those were top of the line talents. Silva on the other hand is a poor mans James Rodriguez. If I was buying any player from Monaco he'd be like 8th on that list.
Exactly the way I see it. Getting Griezmann doesn't mean we can't go for Silva. Ibra will see less games next year and I can see him getting used more against lesser sides where Griezmann will play second striker. Against stronger sides/away we could line up with Griezmann upfront with Martial to the left and Silva to the right with Mkhi behind them in free flowing attack. Or drop one of them, add extra CM and move Pogba closer to #10. Basically 4 players for 3 slots which is kinda perfect in my eyes seeing how PL is getting stronger every year and we will (hopefully) have CL too. So many tough games and Jose will like the extra option for both attack and mid. He simply realises he will need to rotate more than ever before in his career. PL changed and is not the same even from 5 years back, let alone 10. More intensity, better teams...team playing CL/EL needs more options or they will inevitable do what Tottenham did last season...collapse in the end.
He cuts inside often and Sidebe the right full back always overlaps, they score a lot of goals by the fullbacks overlapping Lemar/Silva and crossing in for Falcao/Germain.
He plays more like a playmaker than a true winger which is why his stats don't always look amazing, but he nits that teams attack together.
I remember him at the u-21 and to me he wasn't really that special. Remember him against Sweden in the finals where the Swedes where "parking the bus" and he had a lot of difficulties against the ultra defensive team. I don't know how much he has developed, since I've not seen him that many times the last year. But if he hasn't improved I fail to see how he can help this team when most opponents are likely to play very defensively.
Ask any Monaco fan and they'll tell you he's the best player in the team. If there's nothing special about him, I'd like to see what people consider special and you'll see it soon enough. Whether it's at Manchester United or not, since he'll move this summer to a very big club.
He was the best player in the U-21 Euro tournament too (him or William who had an age advantage) and he's skilled enough to break down defenses and fast enough to counter attack.
He was the best player in the U-21 Euro tournament too (him or William who had an age advantage) and he's skilled enough to break down defenses and fast enough to counter attack.
I'll trust the opinion of those who watch him on a weekly basis, which I hardly think you do.
I think he could do a Di Maria type job under Jose at real for us on the right wing.
Cutting inside on his left and creating. He's quite quick aswell.
Cutting inside on his left and creating. He's quite quick aswell.
I don't see Jose using Griezmann as the #9 personally, and I think Mkhitaryan as the #10 with Griezmann and Mata as the RWF options will be more likely, I just can't see us fitting both Bernardo and Griezmann in when you'd be talking nearly £160M for the of them.
While i agree with your post in general, i don't get why Cedric would be dropped after being solid (specially in the final) in the Euro2016 which we won. He's playing in the Premier League as well which is at a higher level than Nelson Semedo plays (bar the Champions League). I'd even have Cancelo instead of Nelson Semedo as well.
I agree, think we'll go with Griezmann but Bernardo Silva is a superb talent who I feel will go on to be a fantastic player.
If you're right then yes no point bringing in two RWF. I just find it hard to believe Griezmann would agree to going back to being a winger.
I think if we had a more long term #9 in place Bernardo might have been first choice, but we don't and Griezmann is a muich bigger goal threat.
He wouldn't be a winger though, I mean if we look at how Mata operates as supposedly the RW in that team, he's barely there when we attack, almost always making runs beyond Ibra and Griezmann might appreciate the big extra space staertign slightly wider gives him to make his runs since we play agasitn a lot more packed defenses than he is used to with Atleti. Of course the reverse could simply be that he plays as the #10/SS and Mkhi and Mata fight it out for the RW, either way I don't see us bringing Bernardo in unless we fail to get Griezmann or Mata is sold.
I agree. He's a decent winger but a much better second striker. We could get a better right winger for griezmann money if thats the plan.its not in the player's interest either.
Yeah, that's fair enough. Cédric was solid in the final games but I'm always worried when he's there and I believe Cancelo will prove to be a liability defensively. I think Nélson will end up moving this summer so maybe waiting if he can perform everyweek at a higher level is the smart thing to do.
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