I will be very happy to see him at United. amazing and smooth dribbler. and we have to offload Rooney or Mata first to make room in the team for him.
Bernardo Silva | Bouhafsi - 70m Euros, 5 year contract. Going to City CONFIRMED
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Well at least that is a consistent metric. Watching a players highlights and comparing him to a player you've seen 90 minutes dozens of times isn't going to give you a balanced view.
Or you say nothing because you don't know the player. Bernardo Silva is at the center of everything for Monaco, stats or highlights won't show you that.
Interesting. It's abit frustrating how Pogba cancels out a lot of potential signings in terms of ideal fit. If he does end up a proper CM could save us a lot of hassle.
Both Lemar and Bernardo Silva played CMish roles in a 442 diamond, they are both able to do it.
Which was the point he was making. You shouldn't be claiming one player is much better than another if you haven't seen him and by almost every measurable metric he's similar/inferior.
And I was making the point that it also applies for stats, he is as wrong as the people he criticized. Which I told people about when they were drooling on Ounas last summer. Highlights only gives you an idea of the style while stats give you nothing if you don't know the player and his team.
Yep, that was one of the disadvantage with the deal - in his current guise, Pogba can't coexist (symbiotically) with a lot of #10 players and central-ish attacking midfielders without adversely affecting the defensive balance of the team à la Touré at City (or atleast he hasn't evidenced the ability to do so on a consistent basis). Probably not even hybrid offensive midfielders like Isco (who often occupies similar positions).
Could be wrong, but watching him play for Juventus, he bore resemblance to someone like Sócrates - tall and skillful, not as complete in terms of playmaking but more athletic than Sócrates, with more of a physical edge to his game. In an ideal world, he would progress into a more complete Falcão type central midfielder - which would dramatically increase the number of potential options for our team, and allow to sign a greater variety of midfielders and attackers.
Flashes hot and cold between those two styles right now - which makes his final position over the longer term even harder to ascertain, and creates uncertainty wrt. transfer targets in critical positions from a tactical and mutually beneficial 'fit' perspective.
I actually think that someone like Bernardo Silva could cohabit with Pogba easily because he is a playmaker that plays comfortably wide, he doesn't need to always be in the middle and he is fast enough and trickery enough to be a handful for most if not all fullbacks. Bernardo Silva has different characteristic to Iniesta but his role for Monaco isn't far from Iniesta's role when he was used on the left.
Yeah, that's a fair argument, but we already have someone with similar-ish characteristics in Mkhitaryan who's quite fast and tricky and skillful with a creative eye - so from that perspective, signing Bernardo wouldn't provide a lot of extra features for the team, whereas someone who's more athletic, direct and dynamic in terms of dribbling and providing sudden bursts like O Dembélé would be a great complement to Mkhitaryan in a Mourinho team. Of course, this doesn't take into account the fact that Bernardo is probably more attainable in realistic terms than Dembélé.
I agree however after watching Mkhitaryan play CAM against Leicester i don't think we'd need Bernardo to play there but could certainly rotate him and Mkhitaryan between CAM and RW.
Pogba is best used as the most advanced of a midfield 3, and obviates the need for a #10. Therefore if Griezmann comes he'll be the spearhead, with Mhkitaryan/Bernardo Silva to the right, and Martial/Rashford to the left. Zlatan would be the plan b.
Even against lesser teams a reversion to 2 cms with 3 behind the front man is not advisable because that only causes the opposition to stack their defence to a greater extent. It's the manner of our attacks, rather than the formation we assume that really counts.
Even against lesser teams a reversion to 2 cms with 3 behind the front man is not advisable because that only causes the opposition to stack their defence to a greater extent. It's the manner of our attacks, rather than the formation we assume that really counts.
Bernardo can play on the right all the time, he doesn't need the CAM position so you can play Mkhitaryan in the middle and Bernardo wide.
I see what you are saying but I don't think that Bernardo and Dembélé are that different, they are used differently and Dembélé will probably be a better athlete but in terms of the roles that they are able to play, they are pretty similar.
Stats are at least a fair methodology to use, a limited method isn't the same as an inherently biased one.
How is that a fair methodology when you don't know their context? For example, Mata and Bernardo are two completely different players, playing two different roles, for two different teams, it doesn't even make sense to statiscally compare them.
Those things are metrics.
And?
The other issue is the transfer fee. Politically makes its difficult to shift him to a more simplistic functional role and if he does not perform, hard to drop him and justify splashing out on players who could perform more specialist roles.
We have gambled a lot on Pogba, I hope he proves to be an asset rather than a tactical millstone around our necks.
He definitely needs to be told he is a central mid and he needs to put the appropriate amount of defensive work in for that position. He can do it and it is hardly a less important position anyway. We need a more intricate player to support the main striker.
He would fit perfectly in the slot we play Mata on the right. Would be an upgrade both offensively and defensively. His work rate is incredible and he can actualy dribble past players unlike Mata which would open up more room for both Mkhi and Pogba cause you would need to cover our right side better. Mkhi as an option at #10 against most of the teams...Carrick/new DM and Pogba further up the pitch against better sides. Griezmann and Martial as the rest of the members of free flowing front 3(4) once Zlatan is gone? That would have incredible potential.
And they factor into a non-biased, if limited method.
Factor is the key, they are a factor not the base which is what I have been saying from the start. I'm not arguing the use of stats, I'm arguing about how he used it.
He didn't make any categorical statement though. He questioned the validity of the initial claim with a criticism of his method and pointing out that unbiased metrics don't agree with the assumption.
He actually did in his first three sentences.
He, that's not saying he's a better player by any means. He's saying by any measurable metric it's only his running with the ball that is significantly better than Mata, that's a totally valid statement.
I've watched him for years. Big big talent. Should be a starter in our national team.
Tbf. I want this guy more than Griezmann since he seems more suited for the wings, and probably would be a bit cheaper, altough very expensive.
.........zlatan
mart...mkhi....silva
= win
.........zlatan
mart...mkhi....silva
= win
With Mendes as his agent and if Mourinho wants him then this will be a formality, surely?
Whilst I would love to sign him I would much prefer we buy the Bernado Silvas of tomorrow spending less than buy for outrageous sums when in reality it will take him a while to get adjusted to the league/to his best form.
It's not like we can't afford it.
There's are pos and cons of signing the Bernardo Silva for big money after having played two years of regular football in France and starred in the Champions League, than taking the talented version not getting into the team from Benfica on loan with an option to buy for £13m.
I believe in this case, we have gone about it the right way, if of course we buy him, and it is also the right way for the player.
With Rooney, Young, Fellaini and the recent departure of Depay we will need a couple of additional attackers.
A very likely signing IMO. He would largely provide qualities which we currently lack, and if we got him, Griezmann, a good midfielder and a new full back we would be back to top level.
No. I base this on Mata's ability to produce at the correct moments in a much more competitive league at that
I know we definitely can, but spending 150m season after season is not sustainable.
But let's say it is, in case I am proven wrong. I would still prefer not to, purely out of the satisfaction of developing a young player we got for a dirt cheap price.
He's only 22 (1994) - he is the Bernardo Silva of tomorrow.
I know that, I just mean I would prefer developing talent to buying with crazy amounts of money.
I don't think United want to develop players. After his injury Bernardo struggled last season and I'm pretty sure that he would have been sold if he was playing for a club like United.
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