Mbappe won't be leaving. Fabinho and Bakayoko look like they're definitely going though (City and Chelsea).
I wouldn't be concerned. Juventus are on another level to most teams we'll be facing next season.
Bernardo Silva | Bouhafsi - 70m Euros, 5 year contract. Going to City CONFIRMED
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I wouldn't be concerned. Juventus are on another level to most teams we'll be facing next season.
Seems as though
Silva -> United
M'Bappe -> Real Madrid
Fabinho -> City
Bakayoko -> Chelsea
I was thinking this. Think he's more of a hard worker than Mahrez, though.
3 or 4 players is a lot to lose in one summer window. Monaco don't need the money either, right?
I know, but to me, we need a winger who's going to get us 15+ goal, in my opinion, i.e. Ronaldo, Hazard, Neymar, Bale, Sanchez. Even Son for Spurs has 14 league goals.
In terms of creative wingers, they may not be as creative as Silva, but we have Mata and Mkhitaryan. We haven't got a match winner; however.
From what I can tell he'd fit both of Mourinho's two favoured formations fairly well. He could play either right wing or number 10 in the 4-2-3-1, and right wing in the 4-3-3.
Surely means the end of Mata though. I don't see Jose lining up with both very often, if at all.
Neymar, Messi and Suarez couldn't do shite against Juve. Hardly a slight on Silva to claim he couldn't either.
The obvious issue is there's not many around that are available. Martial could grow into that too.
It's incredible how negative some people are when a player is linked with us. This is obviously a very talented player and a welcome addition to our lineup.
Jose knows what he needs and he will get us up to standard after this transfer window. Just look at Spurs and Juve. You don't need a squad full of world class players to have a very good team.
Jose knows what he needs and he will get us up to standard after this transfer window. Just look at Spurs and Juve. You don't need a squad full of world class players to have a very good team.
That's true.
Griezmann as a right inside forward?
I know he's played there for France in a 433.
Someone is going to lengths to push their argument to the Cafe they've gone and authored an Op-Ed
I agree, these things look good but generally don't actually benefit the team.
Yeah he looks to be nothing like Mata. For one, one seems to love taking on players and the other doesn't. Mata is known for his end product and here we have people saying Bernardo can improve in this respect.
Wrong. These are the things that allow players who make the headlines to make the headlines.
He isn't even that small, he has the same size than Hazard, he looks lighter though which was also the case for Hazard when he joined the PL.
Hasn't he been the best player in the French league this season?
Until March he was by far the best player but his performances dropped a bit. IMO, Jardim is to blame for that because he has been barely rested.
Bit weird for a player who is simply not decisive at all.
Going nowhere?
Actually i dont think theyre very similar other than being good technically. Bernardo runs with the ball a lot whereas mata tends to do layoffs and gets into shooting positions. They could conceiveably play well together.
World class through the middle, just very good out wide. Would be typical of us to do that though.
If it's true that we are in advanced talks for this guy I would be very happy. From what I've saw he looks a major talent. I've read on a few French football forums that he's been the best talent in that league over this past season. Of course the Premier League is a big step up, so you never know. Every transfer is a risk though. He's a creator, he can score, he looks quick and dynamic. Very interesting signing possibility.
That's what happens to all attacking players when the teams sit deep , like a lot of epl teams , that's where pace and directness in a winger is necessasry and forcing penetration is required for this league in a fast direct counterattacking move rather than checking back and holding the ball and circulating it to the flanks,
That what sir alex used to do with wide world class wingers who were direct. Players like mane ,willian, bale who are direct are effective.
No, that's what happens when you play against the best defense in the world. Barcelona played hundreds of games against teams playing deep but rarely a team have made them hopeless.
We need such a player badly and I hope we sign him. He will be one of the player who will bring the ball forward quickly and open up defences.
Hazard came at a similar age from the French league.
I'm going to cling to that of we sign Silva.
I'm going to cling to that of we sign Silva.
I would be buzzing if we sign him. I think he will bring the best out of Micky for next season by playing quick one twos or a through ball for somebody making a run.
Playing with better players always make you play better...so yea, I agree that we'd see the best of Mikkhi, if Silva were to bring his Monaco form to us next season.
We are not Barcelona, We can never be barcelona , And there will be no other messi and if there is he wont be in united, and besides Barcelona never play in EPL, We are Manchetser united and We must stick to our principles which has made us most successful team in epl ever under Sir alex ferguson and which has brought success to Mourinho, And with that also absorb and incorporate the advantages of the Philosophy's of barcelona and Posession sytle game in certain conditions to our advantage when we face big games and big teams. So We must be very clever In Building a side capable of playing a mix of both according to the need.
Sir alex's teams never used to hold the ball more than 50 -55% in any match, but when in posession he used play direct and counter attacking football dynamics in a super quick transition Via Direct counter attacking wingers, just that his defense at the back was very very strong and had complete balance of work rate in wingers, That's why even one dimentional wingers like Valencia and nani Park who were direct and fast used to create havoc in most of epl defenses and get in behind them in a counter attack , But also contributing defensively as the back via doubling up against the opposition wingers which jose mourinho also use , But at Sir alex's time there were very less top class Posession based teams who could hold the ball so well and win it back quickly that he would totally get dominated , but in this Era and in Europe there are lots of teams who can do that because of Managers like LVG and PEP and even Klopp and many other posession based experts, now that's where we must use the Advantages of the pliosophies of Posession based principles and keep the ball better and circulate it better when playing against those sides. Yet For creating consistancy inthis league to collect 3 points you need Pace and directness against smaller teams.
Bernardo silva is a faster version of juan mata and silva as a winger who when pressed, his first initial reaction is using his superior ball control and ball circulation , so under pressure he never looses the ball , and that is a very good quality to have against top posession based teams as a creative playmaker who improvises well and circulates the ball beating the high press of the opposition team and when Playing against top teams is an asset to have,
On the other hand When you hold the ball so much against a reactive counter attacking side which are in abundance in epl who's first reaction defensively is to drop deep and deeper, Holding the ball too much and circulating without going direct and counter attacking those teams become very difficult to break down even with best of technical creative players , that's where direct counter attacking wingers Get in beind the defenses making off the ball attacking runs in space to get in behind with pace and directness and forcing the penetration. That's where direct counter attacking wingers are more effective than players who lack the physical attributes to get in behind the defenses with pace and directness. We have to have the quality to Do both in an attacking side , Like chelsea has with Hazard( Who can do both, hold the ball better and also be direct) (Pedro who can hold the ball very well under pressure and circulate it ) and ( Willian who is very direct and counter attacking, who often comes on when chelsea need a goal and energy on the pitch , Like against city game when willian scored a goal).
Bernardo silva willbe a great purchase, Yet We would still require a Direct counter attacking player Like we always had under sir alex ferguson.
Great post.
Do we think if he's signed him and Rodriguez could play together?
I'm sorry but what is the link between what you initially said and that post? Barcelona and Monaco have two different approach, one is a possession team and the other a counter attacking team, they both mightily struggled against Juventus. And that's simply because Juventus are an incredibly good team and the best defense in world football.
It is as simple as that.
Monaco are a very good counter attacking team, better on the counter than most EPL teams, so your point doesn't make a lot of sense.
Plus Neymar is direct and more effective that those players you mentioned.
As @JPRouve said, its just the case that they came up against the best defense in world football.
No. The bit about being technically superb/great on the ball.
There really isn't one single way to be successful. There have been great possession oriented teams, and great counter attacking teams. And even within those categories there are sub categories of teams that do really well. Within counter attacking teams, you have Real Madrid who attack with pace and directness but look to dominate proceedings. Then you have teams like Monaco (in the CL at least) and Leicester (last year) who sit back, soak up pressure and hurt you on the counter. So no, you don't have to be one way or another. You have to do what you set up to do well.
Also, while you do need certain type of players to make certain styles work, there's also a mix of players required in every system. Ozil for example could work both in a possession oriented team and a counter attacking team. Same goes for Iniesta. There's no chance he wouldn't be fantastic on the counter. It's not like one system requires mere running power and the other requires only great ball manipulation.
With regards to the PL specific point, while generally it's a league where there is more space to exploit and hence teams are more direct (or visa versa), every title winning team isn't the same. City's creative forces when the won the league were Silva and Toure. If we make this signing, we'd have Mkhitarian, Pogba, Martial and Bernardo Silva.
The previous bit brings me on to our own team. It's not like we're still a bunch of slow coaches. We do now have player who eat up ground quickly. Pogba, Martial, Mkhitarian and Rashford are all capable of transitioning the team quickly from the first third to the final third. And Bernardo, who appears to be a terrific dribbler, certainly can't hurt in that respect.
Tricky.
James will give you more goals. Silva will create more chances.
United needs both (but this doesn't mean it makes sense to buy both players). After Zlatan's injury, it looks like the team started to struggle when it came to creating chances.
I've read in this thread about his lack of end product, but he was a key player for a team that scored for fun, right? I think this is likely an example of how stats don't tell you everything.
Bernando Silva could be our David Silva or De Bruyne. I believe Bernardo is better than Mata/Mkhitaryan but at different things. Create spacing and chances for the team. I think he would improve those around him.
You really need to check out Jose's transfer records. He hits far more than he misses. My thinking is that if he really wants Silva, he would have done his homework on the guy. Moreover, transfers are always risky because you can never really tell how a player will turn out.
But having said that, Silva looks like the real deal. I like the lad a lot. If he settles in well at United, he could become a hit.
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James will likely create more chances and score more goals.
What Silva would offer is the ability to disrupt the defence and drag people out of position, which is valuable in its own way. but not directly evident like goals and chances created.
This guy is my dream signing this summer, oozes class, we should spend whatever it takes to get him here. There's something very special about him. Hopefully we can negotiate a deal with him, his agent is Mendes if I'm not mistaken which could work in our favour. All the other clubs seem to be fighting over Mbappe/Fabinho so hopefully we can get this done without any hassle. He could genuinely take us up a level, I fully believe that if we get him we'll be a force up top next season.
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