Bernardo Silva | Bouhafsi - 70m Euros, 5 year contract. Going to City CONFIRMED

[VP89]

Its the fear of the club not addressing areas of the pitch that really need addressing for me i.e. a top class CB, a Carrick replacement, a genuine goal scorer. Signing Silva doesn't necessarily mean not addressing the first two but given his cost it does make me wonder if it's lessens the likes of a Griezmann coming as well

Silva isn't a genuine goalscorer. He has 8 in 36 and plays pretty much in Mkhitaryan's position, who clocked up 10 in 40.

What baffles me is people throw in a couple of good dribbles and think he's the answer to all our problems. No, he isn't. We need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net over and over again. Its been well documented that Zlatan can't alone carry the goal burden and he we are boning over luxury players operating in positions we filled last summer.

 

[kdmaka]

Very excited for this one if we can get our own Silva

 

[sullydnl]

Talent & intelligence > pace. This guy is certainly talented.

 

[Nickosaur]

I don't think signing Silva necessarily means we need to sell Mata? If we get CL, we're going to want to put strong teams out, twice a week. Having Silva/Mkhi/Mata/Lingard/Martial to choose from on the flanks can only be a good thing.

 

[Cassidy]

Silva isn't a genuine goalscorer. He has 8 in 36 and plays pretty much in Mkhitaryan's position, who clocked up 10 in 40.

What baffles me is people throw in a couple of good dribbles and think he's the answer to all our problems. No, he isn't. We need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net over and over again. Its been well documented that Zlatan can't alone carry the goal burden and he we are boning over luxury players operating in positions we filled last summer.

We also struggle to create without Pogba and have little quality in depth when it comes to creativity. There isn't just one issue, and I'm pretty sure we'll sign a striker

 

[sullydnl]

Silva isn't a genuine goalscorer. He has 8 in 36 and plays pretty much in Mkhitaryan's position, who clocked up 10 in 40.

What baffles me is people throw in a couple of good dribbles and think he's the answer to all our problems. No, he isn't. We need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net over and over again. Its been well documented that Zlatan can't alone carry the goal burden and he we are boning over luxury players operating in positions we filled last summer.

We are allowed to sign more than one player this summer. Improving in other areas doesn't preclude us from signing goalscorers too and we do need to improve in other areas.

 

[charlenefan]

Silva isn't a genuine goalscorer. He has 8 in 36 and plays pretty much in Mkhitaryan's position, who clocked up 10 in 40.

What baffles me is people throw in a couple of good dribbles and think he's the answer to all our problems. No, he isn't. We need someone who can put the ball in the back of the net over and over again. Its been well documented that Zlatan can't alone carry the goal burden and he we are boning over luxury players operating in positions we filled last summer.

Exactly my point, unless a genuine game changing creative player becomes available (like Bale, Hazard, Neymar) we shouldn't be addressing creativity (because earlier in the season that wasn't the problem) we should be getting someone to finish the chances

 

[Womp]

All this talk about us not being able to sign other areas because of one player was the same tune everyone was playing last summer with Pogba. We signed 3 other players in key areas that window, who have significantly improved us, being arguably the best players in the squad in those positions for us. This summer won't be any different, signing Silva won't stop us signing other players ffs.

 

[VP89]

We also struggle to create without Pogba and have little quality in depth when it comes to creativity. There isn't just one issue, and I'm pretty sure we'll sign a striker

Do we? We created feck loads of good chances this season. We ranked 3rd highest in chance creation and 20th in chance conversion in November (I've mentioned this point in other threads so I apologise for beating the same drum here).

My point is, we do create and the chances are very good ones. Countless times have we pawned it off to "the keeper turning up" or a "bad day in the office" for our strikers. Bernado won't change that much. I'd like to have him here but people seem to be confused that he'll be a big goalscorer or that we'll suddenly start scoring more as a result of signing him than focusing on getting a beastly striker who can score for fun.

All this talk about us not being able to sign other areas because of one player was the same tune everyone was playing last summer with Pogba. We signed 3 other players in key areas that window, who have significantly improved us, being arguably the best players in the squad in those positions for us. This summer won't be any different, signing Silva won't stop us signing other players ffs.

We needed a player in Pogba's position. We don't need to buy Silva as much per say, given he operates in the same position as Mkhitaryan.

 

[Summit]

Exactly my point, unless a genuine game changing creative player becomes available (like Bale, Hazard, Neymar) we shouldn't be addressing creativity (because earlier in the season that wasn't the problem) we should be getting someone to finish the chances

That is a bizarre way to look at things. If any position can be improved upon, then we have to act. We can't stand still as a football team can we? We constantly have to look to improve.

 

[DWelbz19]

I know but be it Griezmann or someone else the cost for a top class goalscorer is going to same whomever you go for

Ah right yeah, I see your point. Still, I think Mourinho has got his 'plan A's and his plan B's' all ready. We'll be efficient this summer no doubt. I'd imagine the bulk if not all of our transfers will be done very early so as not to ruin the preseason.

 

[Cassidy]

Do we? We created feck loads of good chances this season. We ranked 3rd highest in chance creation and 20th in chance conversion in November (I've mentioned this point in other threads so I apologise for beating the same drum here).

My point is, we do create and the chances are very good ones. Countless times have we pawned it off to "the keeper turning up" or a "bad day in the office" for our strikers. Bernado won't change that much. I'd like to have him here but people seem to be confused that he'll be a big goalscorer or that we'll suddenly start scoring more as a result of signing him than focusing on getting a beastly striker who can score for fun.

What happened when Pogba got injured? Ibra was also out, we didn't create much in those games.

 

[VP89]

That is a bizarre way to look at things. If any position can be improved upon, then we have to act. We can't stand still as a football team can we? We constantly have to look to improve.

And what position is that?

 

[Womp]

And what position is that?

An attacker, a striker, potentially a CB, potentially a LB and a CM or two. Should we not sign a CM because we need a striker too?

 

[Summit]

Our creativity dried up from about 10 chances a game, to about 3. I blame that song, it was all going so well until we started that José song.

 

[charlenefan]

All this talk about us not being able to sign other areas because of one player was the same tune everyone was playing last summer with Pogba. We signed 3 other players in key areas that window, who have significantly improved us, being arguably the best players in the squad in those positions for us. This summer won't be any different, signing Silva won't stop us signing other players ffs.

We were shrewd in our business last summer though, Zlatan on a free, Mkhi for less than 30m due to his contract for example. Can't see Silva costing less than 50m, then there's what between 70-90m needed for a goal scorer, another 30m for a CB and then how much for a midfielder? We're realistically going to have to spend much more than we did last summer

 

[Castia]

Would love Silva he's got tons of creativity and is also brilliant at dribbling. I'd take him over James any day.

 

[VP89]

What happened when Pogba got injured?

Go google the stats - but if you think signing Bernado suddenly fixes a Pogba absence then I'm not sure on what to say. One plays in an 8 and the other cutting in from a right position. Its bizzare you're comparing the two.

 

[VP89]

An attacker, a striker, potentially a CB, potentially a LB and a CM or two. Should we not sign a CM because we need a striker too?

Bernado isn't a player who would much improve Mkhitaryan's role in the team though. And that's the position you're claiming he's "improving" on.

 

[charlenefan]

That is a bizarre way to look at things. If any position can be improved upon, then we have to act. We can't stand still as a football team can we? We constantly have to look to improve.

True but given we're far from the finished article you would imagine we should be be in a period of prioritising where to improve, just my opinion that another wide number 10 isn't that area

 

[Womp]

We were shrewd in our business last summer though, Zlatan on a free, Mkhi for less than 30m due to his contract for example. Can't see Silva costing less than 50m, then there's what between 70-90m needed for a goal scorer, another 30m for a CB and then how much for a midfielder? We're realistically going to have to spend much more than we did last summer

Yes but this is all assuming Jose doesn't know all this. He understands the state of this squad better than any of us do, considering he's worked with them for nearly a season now. He's one of the best managers around at identifying weaknesses in squads, he's proven that time and time again. It's why his teams usually perform in his second season. He obviously is aware of how much he has to work with and is planning accordingly. He himself has spoken in pressers etc. about his need for a top quality striker, so I doubt Silva will mean we have to shop at the bargain stall for the other players.

Besides, we have the 50m for Morgan and Depay, which will pay all of Silva's fee, if not the majority.

 

[Cassidy]

Go google the stats - but if you think signing Bernado suddenly fixes a Pogba absence then I'm not sure on what to say. One plays in an 8 and the other cutting in from a right position. Its bizzare you're comparing the two.

I'm not comparing two players. I'm saying that we also need more creative players as well as more goal scorers. Its not a binary thing at all.
Our 2 most creative players this season have been Ibra and Pogba, one looks set to leave, we also need to have better than Lingard in terms of attacking depth.
Goalscoring is a separate issue and that should also be addressed. Addressing one and not the other doesn;'t fix our problems.

 

[izec]

And what position is that?

on the wing. If Silva plays on the wing, we have improved. He is not your typical winger, but the point still stands.

We wont buy a player to be backup to Pogba and at the same time be good enough to replace him if Pogba gets an injury. We need to replace Carrick, and buy an upgrade or a challenger to Herrera and Fellaini if anything.

 

[VP89]

I'm not comparing two players. I'm saying that we also need more creative players as well as more goal scorers. Its not a binary thing at all.
Our 2 most creative players this season have been Ibra and Pogba, one looks set to leave, we also need to have better than Lingard in terms of attacking depth.
Goalscoring is a separate issue and that should also be addressed. Addressing one and not the other doesn;'t fix our problems.

Yeah, that reason is more palatable. But I don't quite understand why the caf was so against signing James but so for signing Silva given this rationale. Flavour of the month effect clearly.

 

[Adisa]

People who don't want him haven't really watched him. Even though he's a playmaker, he's different to anyone we have.
I really don't understand transfer languages sometimes. What is "advanced contact"?

 

[Cassidy]

Yeah, that reason is more palatable. But I don't quite understand why the caf was so against signing James but so for signing Silva given this rationale. Flavour of the month effect clearly.

I'm all for signing James.

 

[2 man midfield]

I really don't understand transfer languages sometimes. What is "advanced contact"?

We got his answer machine.

 

[JPRouve]

People who don't want him haven't really watched him. Even though he's a playmaker, he's different to anyone we have.
I really don't understand transfer languages sometimes. What is "advanced contact"?

Probably that United contacted Monaco and asked the permission to formally talk with the player while both clubs discuss the fee.

 

[Cassidy]

People who don't want him haven't really watched him. Even though he's a playmaker, he's different to anyone we have.
I really don't understand transfer languages sometimes. What is "advanced contact"?

I'm guessing both parties are open to a transfer and negotiations are taking place.

 

[jungledrums]

I think we need both. And hopefully Silva would make up for it with his ridiculous composure, but even though the clip at 2:18 above shows him looking fast for a second it just seems to me that he accelerates kind of slow when you watch full match highlights with him. But his technique and passings would probably make up for it. I just wonder if he'd be good or bad against mid-table opponents, that we have a hard time opening up. I guess if David Silva could do it.

1:07 and 3:24 he's a bit slow, but of course these are short samples - he could be tired in the game, etc.

The thing is, you're using examples from a game where he played very well. Evidently his "lack of pace" is no obstacle.

 

[VP89]

I'm all for signing James.

That's good, at least you're consistent. But you can see what I mean when you visit the James signing and it looked like it was a go-er. No one really wanted him and branded him as luxury. Just another number 10 etc. Yet with Silva its the complete opposite.

 

[Cassidy]

That's good, at least you're consistent. But you can see what I mean when you visit the James signing and it looked like it was a go-er. No one really wanted him and branded him as luxury. Just another number 10 etc. Yet with Silva its the complete opposite.

I agree

 

[Cassidy]

The thing is, you're using examples from a game where he played very well. Evidently his "lack of pace" is no obstacle.

Hes not slow.

 

[JPRouve]

Yeah, that reason is more palatable. But I don't quite understand why the caf was so against signing James but so for signing Silva given this rationale. Flavour of the month effect clearly.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people who are willing to take James are also willing to take Bernardo Silva. They are different but they both add creativity and technicity which is something we lack.

 

[charlenefan]

That's good, at least you're consistent. But you can see what I mean when you visit the James signing and it looked like it was a go-er. No one really wanted him and branded him as luxury. Just another number 10 etc. Yet with Silva its the complete opposite.

Im consistent as well.... I don't want us to sign either of them

 

[Adisa]

Probably that United contacted Monaco and asked the permission to formally talk with the player while both clubs discuss the fee.

I'm guessing both parties are open to a transfer and negotiations are taking place.

Thanks

 

[izec]

Im consistent as well.... I don't want us to sign either of them

which is a huge problem. You want a pure winger, but is there one in the same quality range as both of them?

 

[charlenefan]

which is a huge problem. You want a pure winger, but is there one in the same quality range as both of them?

Surely Dembele would be available at the right price?

 

[izec]

Surely Dembele would be available at the right price?

Dont think he would move after one season at Dortmund and dont think they would sell. Seems Dortmund will sell Aubameyang only this summer.

 

[JPRouve]

Surely Dembele would be available at the right price?

That's unlikely, he partially joined Dortmund because it is a very good club where he will be protected by the lack of worldwide coverage which will allow him to develop himself peacefully.