Bernardo Silva | Bouhafsi - 70m Euros, 5 year contract. Going to City CONFIRMED
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Better than Silva and up to Iniesta? I wouldnt go that far yet. Lets see him perform well consistently in a top league first and hope he doesn't regress to a Navas.
I mean he's never going to be like Navas. He doesn't rely on pace and crossing. He'd regress to like, a better Wes Hoolihan or uh, Nasri when he's not playing for Sampaio.
The thing that makes sense about Silva for United or Real is that he can playmake from the right and with Cristiano and hopefully with Martial, both teams have left-wingers who will be looking to play advanced and score, so with a Silva type narrow on the right you can sort of have 4 guys in the middle and win the battle their that way:
------------Rashford----------
Martial--------------------------
-------Pogba---------Silva----
---------------Herrera--------
LB/Shaw----DM---------Valencia
--------Rojo-----Bailly--------
makes a lot of sense. We'd control the midfield if we got a technically strong DM and LB since Pogba and Silva are such wonderful targets who can buy themselves space even when tightly marked, and with Silva and Pogba hitting through balls you have to think our speedy front pair would get some chances if they learn to time their runs.
And for Real you see the advantage right now with Isco playing well and the team mostly looking better than it did when Bale was playing on the right, with Cristiano bringing less to the buildup and focusing even more on goals on the opposite wing. If they sign Lewandowski, Mbappe or Aubameyang as their 9 to replace Benzema those guys aren't really about dropping deep either.
------------Rashford----------
Martial--------------------------
-------Pogba---------Silva----
---------------Herrera--------
LB/Shaw----DM---------Valencia
--------Rojo-----Bailly--------
makes a lot of sense. We'd control the midfield if we got a technically strong DM and LB since Pogba and Silva are such wonderful targets who can buy themselves space even when tightly marked, and with Silva and Pogba hitting through balls you have to think our speedy front pair would get some chances if they learn to time their runs.
And for Real you see the advantage right now with Isco playing well and the team mostly looking better than it did when Bale was playing on the right, with Cristiano bringing less to the buildup and focusing even more on goals on the opposite wing. If they sign Lewandowski, Mbappe or Aubameyang as their 9 to replace Benzema those guys aren't really about dropping deep either.
Silva's control and dribbling ability is incredible, but purely from a stats POV, his output is not quite there yet. According to Transfermarkt, he's got 10 goals and 12 assists in 4057 minutes this season, which is pretty decent. But, if you compare him with say James who has 11 goals and 13 assists in 1739 minutes, it puts it into context. If Silva were to come here, let's hope he steps up like Martial did in his first season.
Sorry, but to think James would be nearly as good for us as Silva would is ridiculous.
Considering neither have played for us, I can see why someone would think either way.
As other have said Bernardo would be my dream signing this summer, much more important than Griezmann.
IF we get CL then its a no brainer he will come here should we be in for him, €50M is a steal. This guy is an upgrade on Mata and Mkhitaryan.
IF we get CL then its a no brainer he will come here should we be in for him, €50M is a steal. This guy is an upgrade on Mata and Mkhitaryan.
Yes, I really think Silva is a very good player. But, I feel like there's a lot of overrating of Silva and underrating of James going on.
Stats can never tell the whole story of course.
Agreed.
Don't forget that Silva is only 22 too...
The biggest difference outside of the dribbling to me is Silva is a team player and hard worker with a good attitude, James is often lazy and has a prima donna attitude IMO.
Is James really that lazy? I thought he puts in a decent shift. Does seem to be a bit of a sulk though.
Silva is awesome and would love him here. We need a player than can dribble past 2-3 players. Silva Griezmann and Fabio would be a sensational summer window even if DDG went.
I'll have to concur with that.
Can we safely say that's an important trait for any modern day center forward that would succeed?
I can't think of many successful center forwards without that ability and all the leading exponents today share that trait: Lewandowski, Diego Costa, Suarez, Cavani, Kane, Benzema, Morata, etc.
Even the not so tall ones, do a decent job of it. Aguero, Sanchez etc.
There is, but it's contrasting two completely different traits that these players have. James has and always will be a player to put up incredible assist/goal tallies in a season. He's a final third attacker in the same way that somebody like Mata is for us (most goals and assists after Rooney in the team since joining). It's like comparing James' best trait against something Silva can definitely improve upon, but the type of player he is just really won't ever have the massive goal/assist tallies. He sort of seems more like a David Silva or Isco type of forward (stats are more comparable to both too) -- and Madrid are looking to keep Isco and shift James... That type of explosive dribbling, close control/ability under pressure is a lot rarer to find in an attacker than an all-round attacker who compensates in some of the shortcomings by having great direct goal contributions; i.e. James.
He doesn't do the tracking back and defensive work that Bernardo doies, he often does the Ronaldo thing, where just looks in disgust that he no longer has the ball.
Holding the ball up is pretty vital for a #9 these days as so many teams play with just a single striker, so the attack is built off them a lot of the time.
There are exceptions like Dortmund and Liverpool who don't use a striker with great hold up play as they have a front 3 that operate similarly to an oldschool striker partnership, always close enough to play a quick lay off to each other and keep the play moving.
That could be true tbh. Silva is the sort of player to improve the rest of the attack by dribbling past a few and then passing to free up space. In terms of the players you mentioned David Silva has a goals and assist record that is very similar to Mata since he joined United and Isco has scored the same number of goals as Bernardo in half the game time this season. So I would say he definitely needs to step up his end product, to reach the top level (the level required to become the future Balon D'or winner that some have suggested on here that Bernardo may become). But yes, I think we could do with both a pacy RW that can dribble and a De Bruyne tier playmaker that scores and assists more than we currently have.
Not after much, then!
He isn't. That's the thing. Especially during Ancelotti's time, when the Italian was using the 4-4-2 and James was playing on the right, he wasn't lazy. No idea, if he's lazy in training and I couldn't care less to be honest. Our record goalscorer wasn't and never will be the most professional footballer there is, but he was brilliant, when he was James' age. When he's regularly picked for the starting XI, he's performing.
He doesn't look like a Mourinho player to me. I think that he would fit better in a system similar to Guardiola's.
He seems to be a bit overrated here too. While hes's a very good player, I don't think the the amazing player some here think he is.
He seems to be a bit overrated here too. While hes's a very good player, I don't think the the amazing player some here think he is.
He is actually the kind of player Mourinho likes - a #10 who can create and score, with the ability for that moment of magic. He is better suited to playing behind the striker in 4-2-3-1 than Griezmann or Silva.
I think he's talking about B. Silva and not James.
oops - too many threads.
Think it would be better to have positional based threads (like center forward, attacking midfielder, DM etc) than all the individual threads in which we end up comparing same set of players repeatedly
I am fairly sure you are welcome to start a new thread and a discussion. If you want to compare James, B. Silva, Lemar, Isco, Fekir, Felipe Anderson and others, go ahead! If the rumours are just about one player, threads like these make sense.
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If Bernardo can handle and adapt to the physicality of the league quickly, I'd pick him ahead of James as he has superior ball retention and dribbles a lot. Plus, he is quite young and you'd think ready for the next step. His drifting and floating playmaking style is reminiscent of David Silva. I see a lot of the Spaniard in Bernardo Silva.
Ultimately, he just like Mkhi and Mata needs to be given freedom instead of being restricted to fullback duties
Ultimately, he just like Mkhi and Mata needs to be given freedom instead of being restricted to fullback duties
Well Silva and James would be that and are both reportedly available (James is anyway). There aren't too many quality RW available atm, so that'd be harder, if we couldn't get Silva.
Stats can never tell the whole story of course.
Not only they can't tell the whole story, I keep thinking they tell very little. Football is tremendously chaotic compared to other team sports, and has such a low-scoring nature, that comparisons like that one rarely tells you that much. Even arguably similar players in the same league operate in such different contexts to each other (i.e., their team-mates) that much of it becomes irrelevant. It's more about how they complement each other, and how they can have unique moments or characteristics that impact their teams tremendously.
Miguel Layún was the player with most assists Porto had in a decade, probably close to the top in Europe last season, on top of being a prolific goalscorer and yet he's still unable to grab a first-team place. And anyone watching him play understands why, even if it's hard to objectify.
Iniesta statistics also pale in comparison to James (at least goals and assists, in a career which is twice as long) and no one would chose the later over the former.
Just got subbed off vs Juventus. What did you all make of him tonight?
This is the transfer speculation thread. Feel free to start a player performance thread in the football forum.
Strange rule
To be fair, he probably means.. should we still sign him. For me based on tonight.. very Mata -esque performance and it would make me think twice if he is David Silva style attacking midfielder or a final third type of playmaker.
Strange would be attempting to discuss player performances in a thread dedicated to transfers.
Player performances are a reasonably useful way of adding to a discussion about whether or not we should sign someone. It's just a bizarre, backwards rule. Did it really become such a problem that rules had to change?
Unless you want a player performance thread in the general football section for every player the club gets linked to which would surely massively clog that section with player performance discussions. It would be a good idea to make a sub-section of the general football section specifically for performances of virtually every relevant player in world football in that case.
Its why we have seperate football and transfer forums. If you want to discuss player performances then feel free to create a Bernardo Silva thread in the football forum or bump a recent one that already exists. We don't want people bumping a transfer thread each time a player misses a sitter, makes a rash foul etc. Helps keep things nice and tidy.
If you dont discuss how good the player is and/or how well he is performing, then what are you suppose to discuss in a transfer thread - his rumored transfer fees or simple yes or no?
I think fewer threads per player is better than having multiple threads across sub-forums. If a player has been linked to us, everything about him should just be in one thread in the transfer forum.
Can anybody tell me after todays performance will he be any good for us??
Granted I've only seen him play a few games, but I'm not sure he's better than what we have in Mata and Miki.
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