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Spurs must reject moral high ground and sell Berbatov to save their season
EDITORIAL - Neil Trainis
27 August 2008
Dimitar Berbatov continues to agitate for a move to Manchester United AS football's evolution from a hugely accessible sport steered by enjoyment and participation to a business-orientated, commercial-driven industry has grown, so too has the power held by footballers, a notion explicitly highlighted by the Dimitar Berbatov saga.
Jimmy Hill, who in 1957 as chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association, campaigned successfully to scrap the Football League's £20 maximum wage, may be finding it difficult to keep the expletives at bay as the Bulgarian attempts to secure a switch to Manchester United. Hill would not be the only one.
Four years later he had achieved his goal, paving the way for players to eventually earn vast sums of money as television deals swelled club's budgets, but it seems that kind of growth, perceived then as revolutionary, has produced an ugly side-effect.
When Berbatov tried to ensure his "dream" move to old Trafford this summer against the wishes of his club, there was something which sat uneasily with the vast majority of hard-working fans who pay excessive prices to attend Premier League matches.
Berbatov, undoubtedly a world class if somewhat temperamental performer, would probably increase his already handsome weekly wages upon completion of a transfer to United but a burning ambition to appear in the Champions League has forced him into treating his employers with contempt.
Exorbitant wages have given players an inflated opinion of their abilities. Surely Hill never envisaged, during his struggle to establish financial justice for footballers, that there would come a time when any individual would be in a position to hold the club paying his wages to ransom.
Tottenham manager Juande Ramos said on the eve of his side's game with Sunderland that it was his decision to drop Berbatov from the squad because the player, who had grown agitated at the delay in moving to the Premier League and European champions, was not in the right frame of mind.
Yet it appears to have been Berbatov's insistence on taking every opportunity to demonstrate how unhappy he is at White Hart Lane and how much happier he would be plying his trade at the Theatre of Dreams which made Ramos' decision a simple one.
Berbatov has shown little interest in playing for Tottenham again. His motive in pining for a change of scenery is perhaps more down to ambition rather than the prospect of an increase in his wages but the reasons for his behaviour are largely irrelevant.
His treatment of Tottenham is not which raises the question; what if people in other walks of life decided they did not want to work for their organisation any more? Would that not be a violation of their contract of employment?
Would their employers be entitled to stop paying their wages and sack them? The latter is not an option to the Tottenham board since that would push the 27-year-old into the arms of Sir Alex Ferguson without so much as a penny in return.
Yet if Berbatov refuses to play should his club not be in a position to put a block on his wages? If he is sent to rot in the reserves, as the club have insisted they are prepared to do, would Tottenham be legally entitled to stop paying him?
Employment law states the answer to that is yes. More pertinently for the club is the effect the debacle is having on the squad. Defender Jonathan Woodgate recently suggested that Tottenham's poor start to the season is not down to the striker but others at the club disagree.
Disharmony behind the scenes continues as the episode drags on. Senior players were said to be disgruntled by Berbatov's attitude during their preseason programme but it is hard to feel sympathy for the north London club.
They still drag their heels on the issue of selling him to United, insisting that nothing less than £30m will persuade them to sell.
As a campaign of immense promise disintegrates, they should cut their loses and take any reduced fee United, or anyone else, offer which would allow them to buy a replacement before the end of the transfer window.
Yet as Tottenham legends of bygone eras gasp in exasperation at a player's apparent refusal to don the famous white shirt, the temptation for the rest of us to question Hill's endeavours nearly half a century ago grows as we watch this unseemly affair unravel.
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EDITORIAL - Neil Trainis
27 August 2008
Jimmy Hill, who in 1957 as chairman of the Professional Footballers' Association, campaigned successfully to scrap the Football League's £20 maximum wage, may be finding it difficult to keep the expletives at bay as the Bulgarian attempts to secure a switch to Manchester United. Hill would not be the only one.
Four years later he had achieved his goal, paving the way for players to eventually earn vast sums of money as television deals swelled club's budgets, but it seems that kind of growth, perceived then as revolutionary, has produced an ugly side-effect.
When Berbatov tried to ensure his "dream" move to old Trafford this summer against the wishes of his club, there was something which sat uneasily with the vast majority of hard-working fans who pay excessive prices to attend Premier League matches.
Berbatov, undoubtedly a world class if somewhat temperamental performer, would probably increase his already handsome weekly wages upon completion of a transfer to United but a burning ambition to appear in the Champions League has forced him into treating his employers with contempt.
Exorbitant wages have given players an inflated opinion of their abilities. Surely Hill never envisaged, during his struggle to establish financial justice for footballers, that there would come a time when any individual would be in a position to hold the club paying his wages to ransom.
Tottenham manager Juande Ramos said on the eve of his side's game with Sunderland that it was his decision to drop Berbatov from the squad because the player, who had grown agitated at the delay in moving to the Premier League and European champions, was not in the right frame of mind.
Yet it appears to have been Berbatov's insistence on taking every opportunity to demonstrate how unhappy he is at White Hart Lane and how much happier he would be plying his trade at the Theatre of Dreams which made Ramos' decision a simple one.
Berbatov has shown little interest in playing for Tottenham again. His motive in pining for a change of scenery is perhaps more down to ambition rather than the prospect of an increase in his wages but the reasons for his behaviour are largely irrelevant.
His treatment of Tottenham is not which raises the question; what if people in other walks of life decided they did not want to work for their organisation any more? Would that not be a violation of their contract of employment?
Would their employers be entitled to stop paying their wages and sack them? The latter is not an option to the Tottenham board since that would push the 27-year-old into the arms of Sir Alex Ferguson without so much as a penny in return.
Yet if Berbatov refuses to play should his club not be in a position to put a block on his wages? If he is sent to rot in the reserves, as the club have insisted they are prepared to do, would Tottenham be legally entitled to stop paying him?
Employment law states the answer to that is yes. More pertinently for the club is the effect the debacle is having on the squad. Defender Jonathan Woodgate recently suggested that Tottenham's poor start to the season is not down to the striker but others at the club disagree.
Disharmony behind the scenes continues as the episode drags on. Senior players were said to be disgruntled by Berbatov's attitude during their preseason programme but it is hard to feel sympathy for the north London club.
They still drag their heels on the issue of selling him to United, insisting that nothing less than £30m will persuade them to sell.
As a campaign of immense promise disintegrates, they should cut their loses and take any reduced fee United, or anyone else, offer which would allow them to buy a replacement before the end of the transfer window.
Yet as Tottenham legends of bygone eras gasp in exasperation at a player's apparent refusal to don the famous white shirt, the temptation for the rest of us to question Hill's endeavours nearly half a century ago grows as we watch this unseemly affair unravel.
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It's ok Benzema isnt in the photo either, and I reckon we sign him before the Berbawindow is closed
No, Berbs is the last picture of all. Scroll the page again. The Mirror is cheeky.
Berbs is the last pic. of all. Scroll the page again.
Yes, Levy is going bonkers again.
so have we signed andy garcia yet?
i'm dying to put him at man utd on my PES, but i wont until it's official
i'm dying to put him at man utd on my PES, but i wont until it's official
I'll know is that he better be on the UNited lineup in Fifa or I am just gonna lose it
It's criminal I tell you.
he's being treated as a slave. come on blatter, condemn tottenham!
Young berb, there's a place you can go
I said, "Young berb, when you're short on your dough"
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
They have everything for you men to enjoy
But dont mess with Vidic or he'll break your balls
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
You can get moody, you can have a good meal
You can play with the squirrels
Young Berb, are you listening to me?
I said, "Young Berb, what do you want to be?"
I said, "Young Berb, you can make real your dreams
Even if you’re bad as O’Shit
No man does it all by himself
I said, "Young man, put your pride on the shelf
And just go there, to the M.U.F.C."
I'm sure they can help you today
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
But not with Fergie because he is never wrong
M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
You can get yourself clean, you can break the wind
You can swear and be considered king
Young Berb, Ted was once in your shoes
He said, "I played for a shittier team then the blues"
He felt no man cared if he don’t get medals
He felt the whole world was so tight
Then Sir Alex came up to him
And said, "Old Ted, take a walk up the street"
There's a place there called the M.U.F.C
They can start you back on your way
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
I said, "Young berb, when you're short on your dough"
You can stay there, and I'm sure you will find
Many ways to have a good time
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
They have everything for you men to enjoy
But dont mess with Vidic or he'll break your balls
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
You can get moody, you can have a good meal
You can play with the squirrels
Young Berb, are you listening to me?
I said, "Young Berb, what do you want to be?"
I said, "Young Berb, you can make real your dreams
Even if you’re bad as O’Shit
No man does it all by himself
I said, "Young man, put your pride on the shelf
And just go there, to the M.U.F.C."
I'm sure they can help you today
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
They have everything for you men to enjoy
But not with Fergie because he is never wrong
M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
You can get yourself clean, you can break the wind
You can swear and be considered king
Young Berb, Ted was once in your shoes
He said, "I played for a shittier team then the blues"
He felt no man cared if he don’t get medals
He felt the whole world was so tight
Then Sir Alex came up to him
And said, "Old Ted, take a walk up the street"
There's a place there called the M.U.F.C
They can start you back on your way
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C.
It's fun to stay at the M.U.F.C
They have everything for you men to enjoy
You can hang out with all the boys
when it was rmoured that United were gonna let Ronaldo rot in the reserves, the media were lining up "legal experts" to say that he could sue the club. Now the boot's on the other foot with Spurs, it's the player at fault and the club can now stop his wages.
It must be a piece of piss being a journo. I knew kids, when I was abour 6 or 7 who just invented stories. That's all there is to it. Make up any old bollox to suit your agenda.
It must be a piece of piss being a journo. I knew kids, when I was abour 6 or 7 who just invented stories. That's all there is to it. Make up any old bollox to suit your agenda.
Twas ever thus, even in our day, though not as frequent or hard faced. I remember us beating Shef. Utd. at Bramall Lane 4-1 and a journo (Mossop, I think) going on about how fortunate we were, and unlucky Shef. were. Twats have been around since big bang. (pardon the hyperbole)
Berbatov exit will spark Spurs’ £60m incoming transfer frenzy
Thursday 28 Aug 2008 08:24:16 by Editor
Spurs are set to make a final push for multiple targets when the transfer of Dimitar Berbatov to Manchester United is completed. Tottenham could splash out an astonishing £60m in transfer fees in the final few days of the window to complete their summer overhaul – with the sale of Dimitar Berbatov for around £28m the catalyst for a number of deals to be completed.
First in should be Roman Pavlyuchenko after both the player and his club Spartak Moscow confirmed he was on his way to London when he receives his visa. The transfer fee for the striker is expected to be in the region of £12-15m. Have your say on the player in our poll on the right-hand side of the site.
That figure is short of the £18m fee believed to be in the melting pot to sign his international team-mate Andrei Arshavin. The chase for the Zenit St Peterburg star has been exhaustive but the Russian club are desperate to do business having spent £24m on his replacement already. Should the deal not come to fruition then Spurs may yet move for one of their South American targets (see here) with Falcao the favourite to fill the role behind the front man.
Pavlyuchenko is not the only target man on Tottenham’s list however. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar could also switch to White Hart Lane with Spurs seeking more than one player to compete for the ‘Berbatov role’. The prolific Dutchman would doubtless cost more than £15m and should both he and Pavlyuchenko sign then Darren Bent’s future at the club will be thrown into doubt once again.
Defensive reinforcements have not been forthcoming so far in the window but TPC believes our long-running quiet progress to snare Miguel Veloso from Sporting Lisbon could pay off at the death with another estimated £15m outlay likely to be required for the Portuguese starlet. He would solve the problem defensive midfield role that Jermaine Jenas has tried to fill in this term after poor attempts by Didier Zokora and Tom Huddlestone last year.
Should those moves come off then the £60m figure could be reached, and that is before Spurs resurrect their move for Manchester City defender Vedran Corluka. The versatile right-back was a Spurs player in the club’s eyes some weeks ago but City pulled the plug on the deal. However, Spurs stood back from taking legal action against them as they believed the move could still be struck amicably before the end of the window and an £8m switch could be back on.
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Thursday 28 Aug 2008 08:24:16 by Editor
Spurs are set to make a final push for multiple targets when the transfer of Dimitar Berbatov to Manchester United is completed. Tottenham could splash out an astonishing £60m in transfer fees in the final few days of the window to complete their summer overhaul – with the sale of Dimitar Berbatov for around £28m the catalyst for a number of deals to be completed.
First in should be Roman Pavlyuchenko after both the player and his club Spartak Moscow confirmed he was on his way to London when he receives his visa. The transfer fee for the striker is expected to be in the region of £12-15m. Have your say on the player in our poll on the right-hand side of the site.
That figure is short of the £18m fee believed to be in the melting pot to sign his international team-mate Andrei Arshavin. The chase for the Zenit St Peterburg star has been exhaustive but the Russian club are desperate to do business having spent £24m on his replacement already. Should the deal not come to fruition then Spurs may yet move for one of their South American targets (see here) with Falcao the favourite to fill the role behind the front man.
Pavlyuchenko is not the only target man on Tottenham’s list however. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar could also switch to White Hart Lane with Spurs seeking more than one player to compete for the ‘Berbatov role’. The prolific Dutchman would doubtless cost more than £15m and should both he and Pavlyuchenko sign then Darren Bent’s future at the club will be thrown into doubt once again.
Defensive reinforcements have not been forthcoming so far in the window but TPC believes our long-running quiet progress to snare Miguel Veloso from Sporting Lisbon could pay off at the death with another estimated £15m outlay likely to be required for the Portuguese starlet. He would solve the problem defensive midfield role that Jermaine Jenas has tried to fill in this term after poor attempts by Didier Zokora and Tom Huddlestone last year.
Should those moves come off then the £60m figure could be reached, and that is before Spurs resurrect their move for Manchester City defender Vedran Corluka. The versatile right-back was a Spurs player in the club’s eyes some weeks ago but City pulled the plug on the deal. However, Spurs stood back from taking legal action against them as they believed the move could still be struck amicably before the end of the window and an £8m switch could be back on.
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Has Berbatov incurred the wrath of the Gods?
Thursday 28 Aug 2008 08:18:05 by Charles Boyadjian
The Charles Boyadjian column takes a mythological look at the situation surrounding our Bulgarian striker and warns him about moving to Old Trafford. We have the entered the dark world of football Hades, where miraculous powers and immortality live side by side with Death, in the stinking waters of the river Styx.
We have been dragged down there by our hero, Berbatov, who is desperately clinging to the words of a Red God promising fame, fortune and everlasting glory. Many gods have made promises to many heroes, only to result in the deaths of said heroes. Gods that did not follow through on such an oath had to drink from the river, causing them to lose their voices for nine years!
Fergie and Berbatov - the fickle finger of fate beckons. Those who are desperate for their dream to come true and pursue it at all costs can see it disappear before their eyes, as the gods of greed and gluttony are replaced by the god of truth and enlightenment.
Achilles as a child (it is said) was dipped in the river Styx by his mother to acquire invincibility. She held him by the heel before submerging him in the river Styx. He remained invincible until the fateful day that the arrow found its way to his heel. We all have our heels.
Players, managers and fans live with that knowledge every day. The truth is we do not know when the arrow will wing its way across and find its target. No one is invincible, no one is guaranteed fame and fortune. We are all mortals.
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WTF?
Thursday 28 Aug 2008 08:18:05 by Charles Boyadjian
The Charles Boyadjian column takes a mythological look at the situation surrounding our Bulgarian striker and warns him about moving to Old Trafford. We have the entered the dark world of football Hades, where miraculous powers and immortality live side by side with Death, in the stinking waters of the river Styx.
We have been dragged down there by our hero, Berbatov, who is desperately clinging to the words of a Red God promising fame, fortune and everlasting glory. Many gods have made promises to many heroes, only to result in the deaths of said heroes. Gods that did not follow through on such an oath had to drink from the river, causing them to lose their voices for nine years!
Fergie and Berbatov - the fickle finger of fate beckons. Those who are desperate for their dream to come true and pursue it at all costs can see it disappear before their eyes, as the gods of greed and gluttony are replaced by the god of truth and enlightenment.
Achilles as a child (it is said) was dipped in the river Styx by his mother to acquire invincibility. She held him by the heel before submerging him in the river Styx. He remained invincible until the fateful day that the arrow found its way to his heel. We all have our heels.
Players, managers and fans live with that knowledge every day. The truth is we do not know when the arrow will wing its way across and find its target. No one is invincible, no one is guaranteed fame and fortune. We are all mortals.
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WTF?
If the article is spot on, it means frenzy activities for both clubs and fans alike.
Is the article on Achilles and Gourd as a result of too much Ramly Berbers?
That article is just a re-hash of all the rumours peddled by that Spurs ITK, "Ari Gold", on a few message boards last night. Almost certainly 90% bollox.
Here's hoping the 10% that is based on reality is the bit about Berbatov being sold.
EDIT: Here's the Ari Gold thread.
What are spurs' fan opinion on this, do they want him to go?
Did we, as United fan, want to let our best player, ala Ronaldo, go?
There were quite a few that did.And probably still do.
A lot of us did. Once it became clear he didn't want to play for the club.
Luckily, he didn't feel as strongly about wanting a move as Berbatov clearly does. Hence, most sensible Spurs fans want rid of Berbatov, as soon as possible.
Less than four days and we won't be worrying about this either way
From what I gather they want to see him rot in the reserves.
Could be good to have some pressure by their fans on their board
Where the feck is Blatter the fat pompous cnut. Doesn't all this make Berba a slave ? He wants to move but the Lilywhites are not allowing that...atleast for the time being.
Someone should attack him in the press now that his silent over this Berbatov saga. It would make my day.
Someone should attack him in the press now that his silent over this Berbatov saga. It would make my day.
I was hoping that we'd have signed him by now, its taking the piss. I would love it if Berba bought himself out of his contract, and the Spuds get left with a £2.5 million. Buy Arshavin with that Levy!
I wanted to see him play on friday with us
Best case scenario: Arshavin and Hunter agree to join, not yet signed but a done deal. Berbatov signs for us. Hunter and Arshavin change their minds, and Spuds only have the great Darren Bent.
Worst case: We keep going for Berba but to no avail, we try and get Hunter, but its too late to do the deal.
I wanted to see him play on friday with us
Best case scenario: Arshavin and Hunter agree to join, not yet signed but a done deal. Berbatov signs for us. Hunter and Arshavin change their minds, and Spuds only have the great Darren Bent.
Worst case: We keep going for Berba but to no avail, we try and get Hunter, but its too late to do the deal.
Best scenario : Manchester United gets a new striker, Ferguson goes out claiming that he wanted Berbatov but Spurs didn't want to sell, Spurs end up with no money and an unhappy player who will seek revenge at the first occasion.
Seeing as he's said feck all about Robinho being a slave at Real Madrid, I wouldn't hold your breath about him sticking his oar in here.
The bias against English clubs shown by people like Blatter and Platini - at the very highest level - would have made their positions untenable in any other industry. Football really is a joke.
Such an awesome scenario, Ferguson panic buys and is left without the striker he desired to buy, I just cannot express how awesome and perfect and sweet and good this scenario is, you truly are a genius!!!!!!!!
this thread is still nothing compared to the ronaldo one
Ferguson wanted Collymore but ended up with Cole
He also wanted Kluivert but he ended up with Yorke.
Good managers tend to have other alternatives in mind. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't
But quite clearly it's likely to be preferable to get his main target, so your scenario isn't a best case.
God knows what is SAF's main target or whether the main target will end up better or worse then the alternative. There were times when we thought Berbatov was an alternative to Benzema.
There were times when we thought all sorts of things. But it's fairly obvious that Fergie's main focus is on signing Berbatov. This means the best case scenario is that we sign Berbatov. Obviously.
I wish that SAF takes what he wants, there again, I also wish that Spurs don't rip us off. Not to forget that Id love to see Berbatov stick to that shitty club because he shouldn't have turned us down in the first place. Now we will have to pay top dollar because of that.
Now if you ask me what I would prefer between getting Berbatov at 30m or else get a young striker who ends up doing well with us, then my answer will be obvious. Berbatov is a great player but he is a cnut and so are Spurs. Is there anything wrong in wishing that there were other alternatives that we can take?
The "cnut" bit is a matter of opinion and I don't know the bloke, so can't really comment.
Agree that he's a great player though. Would fit in brilliantly at Manchester United. Something you can't say about many footballers in the world. Which is why I really, really hope we sign him.
No. It's stupid though, because there aren't any alternatives of his calibre that are available, and Berbatov is the only one that Fergie wants.
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