I can imagine, I think the Times had a rather lengthy piece about him when the book came out, how he can come across as such a nice bloke after his experiences in life is beyond me. I've got nothing but respect for the man.
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I can imagine, I think the Times had a rather lengthy piece about him when the book came out, how he can come across as such a nice bloke after his experiences in life is beyond me. I've got nothing but respect for the man.
The article may be is shoddily written, but there's nothing wrong with the message.
Paul McGrath was arguably the best defender seen at Old Trafford in my time, he would definitely know a good striker seeing he spent all his career playing against forwards.
Paul McGrath was arguably the best defender seen at Old Trafford in my time, he would definitely know a good striker seeing he spent all his career playing against forwards.
A pay rise constitutes a new contract. I didn't say he extended his contract last summer, only that the two year option was included in the new contract.
Fully agree with that. McGrath was a brilliant player.
Hmm, it's a vital point though.
If next year he is 28 and 3 years into his contract then a Webster rule applies I think, and it is even more ridiculous if United pay anywhere near 30 million for him now.
I have to assume that the pay rise was actually a new contract, or the 2 year option Spurs have somehow rules out a Webster scenario.
Come on guys 230 more posts and Berbatov will sign
Tottenham and United agreed on a post count fee?
Actually that article is already feckin embarrassing. Is he serious?
Well said, Pogue. I know the lads above probably didn't mean any harm, but he deserves our respect.
I have had the pleasure of spending the better part of a day in his company, and I can honestly say without fear of contradiction that he is one of the nicest, most humble, decent blokes you could wish to meet. He was also one of the great footballers I have seen in my lifetime, particularly for Ireland, for whom I saw him live numerous times. It's an oft-used cliche, but had Paul McGrath been born Italian/Brazilian or whatever, the guy would be right up there with all these revered footballers. That's how good he was, IMO.
Yes, he has had his troubles, but who among us can say they haven't been visited by demons of some sort. He's trying to get himself right, and for a bloke with next to no education, and more importantly, self-confidence, he is to be commended for trying. That's all any of us are doing to some degree or another.
Yes sir, I am flying to Bulgaria later today to install another US Missile Defense System and shall pick up Bebratov and bring him back to Manchester. I will drop him out of the plane with a parachute.
I am watching the skies - your not lying are you?
Make sure he doesn't break a leg or anything.
Don't worry, what's the worst that could happen when jumping out of a plane
The 2 year extension option was there since he signed in 2006. I remember it clearly.
Spurs simple rose his salary to roughly £40,000 a week, although nobody knows the exact figure.
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=54140
He never signed an actual new contract.
Talks were under way with his agent up to April about extending his current deal by a further 2 years, hence him then having four years remaining on his deal, but those talks stalled, as pointed out in my last post.
Meant no harm. Article sucks still though. He shouldn't give up his day job....oh ...wait...
True that. I was probably out of order to call them "feckers"
McGrath is a bit of a hero of mine, that's all. Which is probably obvious, to be fair!
That is signing a new deal. You can't alter the terms of a contract unilaterally. He may not have amended the duration or other terms, but any change in the contract needs to be explicitly agreed.
Catching a few bugs in your mouth.
True that. I was probably out of order to call them "feckers"
McGrath is a bit of a hero of mine, that's all. Which is probably obvious, to be fair!
Yeah, me and all. One of my lowest points was missing his testimonial because I was too ill to go. feckin virus.
What other player could mark Baggio and Signori out of the game with one arm hanging by his side?
You could end up on the roof of the stand at Burnley FC like that guy did on Saturday. The match was delayed for 45 minutes and he still had to watch some of the first half from up there.
Here Here.
Im guessing some ppl on here are either too stupid or to young, or even both, to know how good McGrath was for United.
Yes, but you don't understand what I mean.
He received a pay rise on his 'current' contract, which didn't involve an extension.
Whilst he remains on his current contract he'll be able to invoke FIFA 17 next summer because he will have served three years on it.
The pay rise won't interfere.
To be fair though you don't really know what you're talking about.
You sure you're not Glaston?
I don't think that's correct, unless there's some sort of technicality involved in the FIFA/UEFA regulations.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, you just don't understand.
Read my last post.
When a new contract is talked about, it usually means an extension. That is what I mean here, e.g. Ronaldo signs new 5 year deal.
We're talking about the Webster Clause here, therefore whilst Berbatov remains on his 'curren't four year deal, he'll be able to invoke that next summer.
You could end up on the roof of the stand at Burnley FC like that guy did on Saturday. The match was delayed for 45 minutes and he still had to watch some of the first half from up there.
I saw that what a fecking idiot, Berbatov clearly has more skydiving skill than that knob
The details of the contract changed, which constitutes a new contract.
What part of that are you struggling to comprehend?
Do you not think its a little strange that you're the only person claiming that Berbatov could do a Webster next summer?
With the huge media interest in the Berbatov transfer saga wouldn't you have expected someone to mention the fact that Berbatov could leave next summer for c£3m?
You simply don't understand the webster ruling - period, and as a matter of fact, I'm certainly the majority of journalists don't understand it either or have yet to cop onto it with regards Berbatov.
I've studied FIFA ruling in the past, during a 2 year coaching spell I did up to 2006.
Why do you think Clubs are so keen to extend players contracts after 2 years these days?
If it was a simple case of giving them a small pay rise after each year, clubs could breathe alot easier.
A new deal which involves an extension has to come into force. Once signed, the player is then not eligible to invoke the rule for 2-3 years (depending on age when signed) on the duration of the new contract.
Hope that clears it up.
IF that's the case, it has no basis in established law. But I can't be arsed looking up the rule.
FIFA Rule 17 shouldn't even be there.
Once a player signs a contract, he should be tied to it for the entire duration.
It's ridiculous really to be able to buyout your contract after a period of time.
The Rule, however, is fraught with danger, because if not done properly, the club can turn around and sue the player.
Depends on how badly you want away I suppose
I can't remember clearly things United, from 2006. How can you remember things that happened at Spurs in 2006? (I won't be embarassed at your answer, I promise).
I remember Martin Jol being interview on Sky Sports News after Berbatovs first game for Spurs which was a pre-season friendly, where he said it was a four year deal with the option for a further two.
I remember all things football. I don't just concentrate on United.
I am NOT a Spurs fan by the way
FIFA Rule 17 shouldn't even be there.
Once a player signs a contract, he should be tied to it for the entire duration.
It's ridiculous really to be able to buyout your contract after a period of time.
The Rule, however, is fraught with danger, because if not done properly, the club can turn around and sue the player.
Depends on how badly you want away I suppose
I just read the rule(I must learn to let things go
), and you're right. Apologies. The protection period only starts again if the duration of the contract is extended. That makes no legal sense at all, but there you go. That's FIFA for you.I can't find a link for it, but this one atleast says it as I have, although not from 2006:
However, Tottenham have denied there have been any problems with the striker's contract talks.
A club spokesman told the Evening Standard: "Dimitar still has two years on his contract with an option for another two years and is on one of the best packages at the club."
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/17042008/4/agent-makes-new-berbatov-claim.html
I remember Martin Jol being interview on Sky Sports News after Berbatovs first game for Spurs which was a pre-season friendly, where he said it was a four year deal with the option for a further two.
I remember all things football. I don't just concentrate on United.
I am NOT a Spurs fan by the way
I'm yet to be convinced. You know an awful lot about Spurs. Too much for my liking. And you don't seem to be relaxed here......adding it all to my dossier.
I just read the rule(I must learn to let things go
It's fine lol.
FIFA Rules are enough to turn anyones head inside out
I'm not saying that what you're saying is not true, just that if you ask 50,000 fans coming out of OT on matchday for the info you remember clearly, you might find ONE with your Spurs reminiscences, but doubtful.
I'm not sure Article 17 can be used for transfers between two clubs in the same country.
You'll just have to take my word for it.
I am currently in the Berbatov thread, who is still currently a Spurs player, who is linked to United.
I don't think I've spoken about anything else to do with Spurs besides him?
Read my posts outside of this. You'll see I have MUTV aswell.
No it doesn't clear it up and I understand the Webster ruling perfectly by the way.
I wouldn't expect somebody with such dreadful comprehension skills such as yourself, ''alot'' is in fact ''a lot'', to have even the remotest grasp of contractual law.
The pay rise wasn't agreed in the original contract Berbatov signed in 2006, therefore any change to the original contract, such as the pay rise, constitutes a new contract being agreed.
I copied and pasted that from the article I linked. They weren't my own words.
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