A minute ago you were venerating the career of Michael Owen and now you're dismissing the art of the "tap in".Berbatov to Sevilla?
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A minute ago you were venerating the career of Michael Owen and now you're dismissing the art of the "tap in".You didn't clarify, you backtracked when you realised someone was going to take you up on your bullshit claims.
He's scored a goal every 99 minutes in the league, all from open play. For the sake of comparison, Rooney last year in a year where many were proclaiming him to be one of if not the best in the world, scored a goal every 96. Berba has scored in more games than anyone this year bar Tévez, who has scored in one more, and who is city's penalty taker. Tévez, statistically the second best striker in the league has scored every 123 minutes, or 166 without penalties.
The "cannon fodder" you refer to Berbatov as having scored against this season include 6th (x3), 7th and 8th, and that's ignoring the fact that there are really no cannon fodder teams in the league this season, demonstrated recently when Blackburn, whom Berba scored 5 against went to Arsenal and held them 0-0.
Also as demonstrated in recent years, it's rarely your record against the top teams that wins you the league. We collected 4 points from a possible 18 in 08/09 and still won the league quite comfortable, whilst I believe Liverpool have the best record in the league against the top sides this year and lie considerably off the pace.
It's a season in which we are strong favourites to collect a record league title that will mean more than possibly any that have gone before it, and one in which he leads the league in scoring, and absolutely romps it if penalties are discounted. How one can still find room to criticise to any degree beyond a mere footnote is absolutely beyond me
Rooney 25, Berbatov 30, Hernandez 22, Owen 31, Welbeck 20, Macheda 19, Diouf 23, King 19, Keane 18, Cofie 18
Its unlikely that Owen's contract will be renewed and its perhaps too early for Keane and Cofie (maybe loaned to championship sides).
Rooney and Hernandez are obviously certs for next season. As has been discussed Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf are back from loans.
IMO Welbeck WILL be given a chance next season, Fergie has a lot of faith in him.
Macheda, King and Diouf will get a chance in the pre-season tour to show that they can do.
So that leaves; Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck as (my) certs for next season. I doubt that Fergie will allow Berbatov to leave Rooney as the only experienced striker at the club. Berbatov is also the perfect age to "see us through" to the next generation.
If they get Berbatov to stay and play well until 33 that would be perfect given the age of the young promises strikers (from a strategic point of view)
Maybe SAF feels his lack of pace is damaging our overall attack and has identified an experienced and pacy replacement, or is promoting from within (highly risky given the lack of experience within the squad, but hes done it before)
or Berbatov is unhappy with is role and is refusing to sign a contract which could force the issue. if we are offered £12 million and he earns £5m a season we are in effect spending £17 million for 1 season (although there would be the cost of loyalty bonus to consider)
in this scenario, its more likely than not that Fergie would move him on and replace him. Lets hope hes identified someone if this is the case.
Its unlikely that Owen's contract will be renewed and its perhaps too early for Keane and Cofie (maybe loaned to championship sides).
Rooney and Hernandez are obviously certs for next season. As has been discussed Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf are back from loans.
IMO Welbeck WILL be given a chance next season, Fergie has a lot of faith in him.
Macheda, King and Diouf will get a chance in the pre-season tour to show that they can do.
So that leaves; Rooney, Hernandez and Welbeck as (my) certs for next season. I doubt that Fergie will allow Berbatov to leave Rooney as the only experienced striker at the club. Berbatov is also the perfect age to "see us through" to the next generation.
If they get Berbatov to stay and play well until 33 that would be perfect given the age of the young promises strikers (from a strategic point of view)
Maybe SAF feels his lack of pace is damaging our overall attack and has identified an experienced and pacy replacement, or is promoting from within (highly risky given the lack of experience within the squad, but hes done it before)
or Berbatov is unhappy with is role and is refusing to sign a contract which could force the issue. if we are offered £12 million and he earns £5m a season we are in effect spending £17 million for 1 season (although there would be the cost of loyalty bonus to consider)
in this scenario, its more likely than not that Fergie would move him on and replace him. Lets hope hes identified someone if this is the case.
Sorry my mistake.
No i'm dismissing the art of, lucky the ball bounced where it did tap in. Owen scores tap in much like Ronaldo because their positioning is superb.
In the EPL you mean as I think Chicha has scored in more games for us than Berba.
Whats Berba record against top half opposition? Top 6?
People keep insisting he was bought to win the big games but, where was that ever said?
He was bought to provide something different to what we had and even to this day he provides something different. The amount one pays doesn't guarantee you a world class player. It does though suggest a player bought to have an impact on the team's success. Berbatov has undoubtedly done this season if you are looking at the fee.
Ugh - I can't believe I got sucked into another Berba "discussion" - first the one "When he missed from a yard" devolves into another discussion and now a useless transfer story goes down the same path .... WTB a mod - infract me for contributing to this.
He was bought to provide something different to what we had and even to this day he provides something different. The amount one pays doesn't guarantee you a world class player. It does though suggest a player bought to have an impact on the team's success. Berbatov has undoubtedly done this season if you are looking at the fee.
Ugh - I can't believe I got sucked into another Berba "discussion" - first the one "When he missed from a yard" devolves into another discussion and now a useless transfer story goes down the same path .... WTB a mod - infract me for contributing to this.
I really can't see how United can sell their EPL top scorer again. One can understand Ronaldo's stance since he always dreamt of playing with Real but selling Berba now makes us look a bit of a selling club.
Who the feck gives a shit as long as we get the points?
For his crappy shot?
Ole, Ruud etc. were lauded for scoring goals like that. Berba is criticized
Hold on, so you talk about the league, but completely ignore every other cup competition? I didn't realize we weren't in the CL semifinals or that we didn't get to the semi final of the FA Cup.
As for the Rooney comment, post January Rooney also offered a lot more creativity to his game.
If we're talking about the same goal then Berbatov followed up on the shot by Nani "as all good stikers do"1. Now because it was Berba that's dismissed as "lucky".
1. Andy Gray, pretty much every football match he ever commentated on.
Ruud and Sheringham
Yes, the whole paragraph was in the context of the league.
His record against the top 6 this year is 3 goals in 439 minutes, one every 146. Against the top half, 5 goals in 826 minutes, a goal every 165.2.
Fine, let's talk about "every other cup competition".
Community Shield: A goal and an assist in 45 minutes against Chelsea as we won 3-1.
League Cup: No appearances.
FA Cup: 2 appearances. Won the penalty that beat Liverpool, missed a couple of chances against city.
Champions League: 4 apps in the group stages as we cruised through, 90 minutes away to Marseille when the focus was on defending, and 12 minutes as we saw out a 1-0 away win to Chelsea.
Who the feck gives a shit as long as we get the points?
For his crappy shot?
Ole, Ruud etc. were lauded for scoring goals like that. Berba is criticized
Very crappy shot...
YouTube - Berbatov 1-0 Man Utd vs Bolton.
Berbatov made 3 steps and put it in the net.
Wasn't a particularly good one, the keeper bottled it and Berba took advantage.
How many would he have had to make for you to approve? 17?
Ruud threw the dummy and Teddy was old. Berba is at the peak of his career.
Marchi you having some fun lad.
If we sell Berbatov then we will need a top class replacement. Welbeck, Macheda and Diouf are nowhere near good enough yet to take his place.
Are you a fecking idiot?
Us selling Berbatov wouldn't make as a selling club. If Berbatov leaves, then it'll be mostly because he doesn't want to be our third choice, and we couldn't find his place in our starting XI.
Seriously, this is the most idiotic post in this thread which is quite an achievement considering what Marchi has posted.
There's always seems to be an excuse round the corner to justify things up. Anyway I stand to what I said. Selling our topscorer again at his prime is a bit lame expecially for a fee which is half the fee we paid for that 'winger' who can't cross, pass or shoot. At least Ronaldo was a Real Madrid's fan. I hope that this rumor is not true
So when Rooney scored all them headers last season, he crossed it to himself? End of the day, our player has put it in the back of the net 20+ times this season. Some exceptional goals, some regular. It doesn't matter.
I wouldn't lose any sleep mate, it's clearly utter bullshit.
I think he will leave in the Summer but it won't be to Sevilla. After the season he's had he will easily get a job at a club like Bayern or Milan as he has proven to be good enough at the highest level. I don't know why he's fallen out of favor at Old Trafford, maybe something's gone behind the scenes that we don't know about but it's clear for me that Ferguson doesn't fancy him and I think we will be willing to cash in. £10m, max £12m though given the length of his contract, still the kind of money we could use.
i would expect more than 12 million for berbatov
darren bent 24, andy carroll 35
i know they are younger but 12 million for berbatov seems like we would be shortchanged
still we were shortchanged with beckham, ruud, jaap
darren bent 24, andy carroll 35
i know they are younger but 12 million for berbatov seems like we would be shortchanged
still we were shortchanged with beckham, ruud, jaap
He's 30 and in the last year of his contract. We got £10m for van Nistelrooy and we would get a similar amount for out of favor Berbatov.
Bonkers
If we sell Berba at the end of the season I will eat my hat.
If we sell Berba at the end of the season I will eat my hat.
and ronaldo.
What a brilliant idea, sell Berbatov and bring back Welbeck, what a great strengthening of the squad that would be......
I despair at the idiocy of some of you.
I despair at the idiocy of some of you.
Words simply can't describe how idiotic this post and your entire argument is.
Berbatov has 21 league goals but apparently they're not the right type of goals and against sub standard opposition. Owen has 1 league goal that came against a team Berbatov has also scored against and has barely figured due to injury/being past it but hey at least he's mastered the art of the tap in and not tried stupid fancy overhead kicks against our biggest rivals like that big Bulgarian waste of space.
I must admit, at the time I felt rather daft.
What happened was a mate of mine told me he could get me into Carrington, and I had no reason to doubt him as he himself has shown me plenty of pics of him meeting the players;
https://www.redcafe.net/f6/mates-pics-some-united-players-246447/
So I went and bought a shirt with the intention of getting it signed and framing it perhaps. But as soon as we got there, I kinda realised he was blagging me a bit about getting me 'inside' as we were sat outside the gates with all the little scruffs from Sale who make a living from selling signed shirts and ruin it for the other true autograph hunters. We saw plenty of them drive , but it was only Macheda, Vidic and Berbatov (and Phelan) who stopped for a chat.
Ultimately, it was a waste of time but was good meeting Vidic, he had a good chinwag fior a few minutes, top lad.
Phelan was a good lad too, I took the piss out of his flowery shirt he had on and he told me to 'feck off' laughing.
Man Utd striker Berbatov lined up for shock cut-price Tottenham return
Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov is being lined up for a shock return to Tottenham.
The Sunday Mirror says Berbatov will have just one year left on his Manchester United contract at the end of the season – and talks over a new deal have so far stalled.
That has alerted Spurs, who sold Berbatov to United three years ago for £30 million.
United face the threat of losing the hit-man on a free transfer if they allow his contract to run down and expire in June 2012.
And with Berbatov now 30, it *appears United will not offer him more than a one-year extension.
If United and the player cannot reach agreement, they can take the option to sell him rather than lose him on a free.
Spurs would not want to pay more than £8m for the striker – and that would represent a smart move by chairman Daniel Levy.
Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov is being lined up for a shock return to Tottenham.
The Sunday Mirror says Berbatov will have just one year left on his Manchester United contract at the end of the season – and talks over a new deal have so far stalled.
That has alerted Spurs, who sold Berbatov to United three years ago for £30 million.
United face the threat of losing the hit-man on a free transfer if they allow his contract to run down and expire in June 2012.
And with Berbatov now 30, it *appears United will not offer him more than a one-year extension.
If United and the player cannot reach agreement, they can take the option to sell him rather than lose him on a free.
Spurs would not want to pay more than £8m for the striker – and that would represent a smart move by chairman Daniel Levy.
8 million my arse. He's worth atleast 12.
If press reports are to be believed Berbatov burnt his bridges at the time of wanting his move to United from Spurs. Can't imagine him moving to another British club - Italian or German job would be my guess.
Most expensive flop ever? Even more so than veron?
Though this season could hardly be seen as a flop, yet he's not trusted for the important games and has lost his place to hernandez. I know its a squad game but if you can't trust your 30million striker in the must win games, there's something wrong and the way i'd see it, for the price paid and the total output over the 3+ seasons he's been here, its not a great return. Some brilliant moments, mind.
Don't mind him staying even if he plays second fiddle to hernandez, but when he plays he has to deliver! If he's gonna be sold, we need to recoup as much as possible £15 million would do it for me - he is the leagues top scorer after all!
Though this season could hardly be seen as a flop, yet he's not trusted for the important games and has lost his place to hernandez. I know its a squad game but if you can't trust your 30million striker in the must win games, there's something wrong and the way i'd see it, for the price paid and the total output over the 3+ seasons he's been here, its not a great return. Some brilliant moments, mind.
Don't mind him staying even if he plays second fiddle to hernandez, but when he plays he has to deliver! If he's gonna be sold, we need to recoup as much as possible £15 million would do it for me - he is the leagues top scorer after all!
You are retarded in a major way.
He has a long way to go to even match Sheva and Ibrah in the the most expensive flop stakes.
It's not about trust. Rooney is better at playing the lone striker role.