He's scored twice since January mate...
Berbatov to Sevilla?
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He's scored twice since January mate...
You're getting annoyed with Berbatov about a situation you have made up. That's not weird at all.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was more string than cheese in cheese strings. I mean, I have feck all to back that up, but still, it really makes you think, doesn't it?
I don't know about not being able to "rely" on him for big games
How would any footballer react if he was having the best season thus far coming from a smaller club...yet he still gets dropped for an out-of-form Rooney (who has been quite shite up until recently in big games)?
It's not that we can't rely on him, it's that SAF chooses not to rely on him in favor of Rooney
What a nice job he has. Thinks up bullshit and gets paid for it.
@Marchi
Berba has been good this season - you cannot knock him for not scoring as much as Rooney / Hernandez from january onwards as he has been in and out of the side -I posted his stats they don't compare that badly.
The problem Berba fans have is that they say he hasn't been afforded the leeway that players like Rooney and Hernandez are given when they themselvs don't perform.
Berba has been good this season - you cannot knock him for not scoring as much as Rooney / Hernandez from january onwards as he has been in and out of the side -I posted his stats they don't compare that badly.
The problem Berba fans have is that they say he hasn't been afforded the leeway that players like Rooney and Hernandez are given when they themselvs don't perform.
If I wasn't half pissed at the time of writing that... but then again, why have negotiations stalled. If both parties were happy, you'd have it done in hours, just look at the Rooney debacle... of course, the Evra and Vidic deals were different, but its not like they wouldn't have top clubs wanting to sign them..
I'm not denying he has played well for 2 thirds of this season, but post January, Rooney and Hernandez have been better.
Berbatov was awarded that leeway for nearly 2 years!
Rooney's a better player than Berbatov. He's more central to our plans. The situation was brought to a head by leaks in the media and SAF's now famous press conference.. He had a much higher potential market value. There was a possibility of him signing for our local rivals. The affair could have destabilised us in a way that normal contract negotiations generally don't. Etc. etc....
The situations aren't comparable, I'm afraid. Without knowing what's going on it's pointless to wildly speculate. For all we know they might have agreed to avoid distraction by talking at the end of the season. And for the record if, after being top scorer in a team that may well have won a double come the end of the season, his agent didn't look for a rise, he wouldn't be doing his job. It's all just business. He owes us nothing.
There is no truth in that rumour. Why would Berbatov go to Sevilla? It doesn't make any sense.
Should he leave United he would rather sign with another top club in England/Europe. He would prefer to be 3rd choice at United than play for some club that cannot challenge for the CL.
He's had a very good season in the league. It's silly to question his important contributions this season. He has scored more league goals in open play than the other strikers put together. Don't forget that only Ronaldo, Rooney and RVN have scored over 20 PL goals in one season.
Should he leave United he would rather sign with another top club in England/Europe. He would prefer to be 3rd choice at United than play for some club that cannot challenge for the CL.
He's had a very good season in the league. It's silly to question his important contributions this season. He has scored more league goals in open play than the other strikers put together. Don't forget that only Ronaldo, Rooney and RVN have scored over 20 PL goals in one season.
I wouldn't be sad or disappointed if he left.
Put it like this: I couldn't be arsed to drive him to the airport
Put it like this: I couldn't be arsed to drive him to the airport
Never mind the fact we most certainly wouldn't be topping the table without him this season. Christ!
"Since January" generally means since January 1st, during which period he's scored 7 goals. Since February he's scored twice. During which period he's had a colossal 6 starts.
Do it.
Since Jan Berba has had 18 appearances - 12 starts and 6 subs = 7 goals and 2 assists
Since Jan Chicha has had 19 appearances - 12 starts and 7 subs = 11 goals and 2 assists.
Sine Jan Rooney has had 19 appearances - 17 starts and 1 subs = 11 goals and 6 assists
Sure Hernandez and Rooney have performed better but they have built upon the good work by Berba earlier in the season - you can't have one without the other.
You should do what I did, put him on ignore. Is it really worth wasting your time arguing with someone so colossally ignorant?
no, i just find it odd that you, his biggest critic was running around like a schoolboy trying to get his autograph
I think Rooney's renaissance has coincided with Berba's dip, leading to the lack of confidence we saw vs City. It seems Berbatov needs to be the main striker. When Rooney was misfiring and Hernandez still new and mostly being an impact sub, Berbatov's head was up, and he was delivering. At Spurs he was number 1 striker in much of his time there, and he looked genuine quality. If he can't perform at the business end of the season, to the standard needed at a club fighting for the trophies, whilst being part of a few rotating strikers, then perhaps he is better to move on?
Hatrick against the toffees !
League
Fulham away
Bolton away
Sunderland away
West Brom Home
City away
Villa away
Spurs away
Wolves away
Chelsea away
Liverpool away
FA Cup
City neutral
CL -not that important as it bear no massive consequence but Valencia home.
So there you go... One goal in each of those games changes the result in favor of United. Most of the game he was sub par and thus was subbed.
Diabolically was too strong a word, but he's been average in most of these games.
Interesting. Berba is a complex character. There may be some mileage to the above. Does Berba need to be loved to perform well?
He seems to be more affected when things don't go for him than Rooney or Hernandez. I think Berba is his own worst critic and when things are not going for him his inner turmoil takes over and his play regresses. Whereas if things are not going well for Rooney he seems to thrive on just battling through with his anger and desire.
Its called courage. Its why certain players will always be at the top of their game and others even though they have the talent, will fall at the wayside. Its like the difference between Bebe and Obertan. Ober has skill but dismal courage. Bebe has talent, not as much as Ober, but he never backs away no matter how poor he can be. His last game for us was a true example of that. Absolute crap, but he never stopped trying.
lots of berba haters here.
Fulham away: He was very good in this game, just lacked the goal, assisted Scholesy for the opener. MOTM contender in a poor team performance. Bizarre inclusion.
Bolton away: He was alright. Held the ball up well, was quite isolated.
Sunderland away: Came on at half-time, played very well. Bizarre inclusion.
West Brom home: Another game where he was a MOTM contender. Played excellently in the first half and assisted Nani's goal as well as being heavily involved in all attacks with some great touches. Not his fault we threw away a 2-0 lead. Bizarre inclusion.
city away: Thought he was excellent that night, held the ball up really well, some stunning touches. Game of few attacks. Definitely one of our better players. Bizarre inclusion.
Villa away: Poor alright, isolated enough.
Spurs away: Laughably isolated with Rooney playing on the wing, held it up alright.
Wolves away: Set Rooney clean through on goal which he spazzed up, then got in behind their defence and cut back a beauty of a ball which we somehow didn't score from. One of our better performers. Everybody agreed he shouldn't have been taken off. Bizarre inclusion.
Chelsea away: He came on with 19 minutes to go. Bizarre inclusion.
Liverpool away: One of our top 3 players. Almost scored with a beauty of a volley. Bizarre inclusion.
city neutral: Poor enough, at least got in the position for the chances.
Valencia home: Good all round play, lacked finishing. Bizarre inclusion.
I asked you to provide your "11+ games where he was diabolically shit". Instead you provided me with games where we dropped points and he happened to be playing.
By the caf MOTM system, he was rated in the top 5 players for 5 of your 12 games, including two 2nds and a 3rd. He didn't start another 2. Out of the remaining 5, he was rated 6th and 7th and not rated for 3, in a system where you can technically be the 4th best player and not be rated. I don't believe any of the 3 could count as "diabolically shit".
I shudder to think of how say, Fletcher, Evra or Rooney would be treated under such ridiculously harsh performance ratings.
A third striker of Berbatov's quality is simply amazing. He HAS to be the best third striker in the world.
I guess Anelka is a 3rd striker so he has to be close.
Higuain is close. I can't really think of anymore.
He also doesn't complain about riding the pine. This is vital.
Berbatov will only leave if he wants to IMO.
Fergie seems happy to play Berbatov as a third striker.
Our 'third' striker has dominated mid and lower table teams all season and kept us going when Rooney was threatening the club and being shit/injured.
I guess Anelka is a 3rd striker so he has to be close.
Higuain is close. I can't really think of anymore.
He also doesn't complain about riding the pine. This is vital.
Berbatov will only leave if he wants to IMO.
Fergie seems happy to play Berbatov as a third striker.
Our 'third' striker has dominated mid and lower table teams all season and kept us going when Rooney was threatening the club and being shit/injured.
Can somebody please, with as little bias as possible, explain who was more influential/creative/effective - Berbatov or Veron.
I wasn't able to Veron in a United shirt.
I wasn't able to Veron in a United shirt.
I must have surely imagined all those performances vs Munich, Arsenal, Milan and co last year then.
Why is it fecking hard for some Manchester United fans to give due credit to a Manchester United player for a good season.
To use Feeky's favourite word it's bizarre.
These are games where he should have made an impact in other words, more then just a few touches and holding up. As I said in context with my thought, 6 out of his 11 goals in 3 matches would have been useful.
And i'm sorry but there is no excuse for being isolated. If you're isolated, move around and get into positions to actively seek out the ball instead of standing around waiting for it to be dropped at your feet. We constantly hear the expression for Berbatov that he was isolated and didn't get much of the ball, but how do you explain that for the likes of Chich and Rooney who still on bad days with limited service, score goals. Their positioning and movement is far superior to Berbatov's 'not hard' but it takes more then a few good touches and hold up play to win a football match. His job is to score goals first and foremost especially when he plays as a loan frontman.
And take a look around Rooney has been beaten with a stick constantly this year. Not many have shied away from hurling abuse at him and Fletcher has had the same stick for most of his career. Now Evra is copping it!
Because most Manchester United fans like to give credit to hard working players that get stuck in, kiss the badge and bash City/Liverpool in interviews.
Even North American sports fans like to get behind the hard worker or passionate players.
Also, Berbatov's slagging off of other players, supposed languid style, negative body language, and 'woe is me when I miss a chance' rubs people the wrong way.
I say class is class and Berbatov is immensely talented and really came into his own this season. I don't like his yelling at teamates and I really was pissed about the City performance. Not so much the misses, but he didn't do much after that. I have seen Rooney and Drogba miss complete sitters but they put their heads down and do other things to make up for it. Berbatov doesn't do this as much.
Great player. Great season. Very enigmatic player.
You appear to have fundamentally misunderstood. You claimed that Berba was "diabolically shit in 11+ games this season". This was not true. Do you not accept this? No footballer, no matter how good, can influence every game.
How do you know?
I can see why a move to Spain would be appealing. Decent club, nice weather, more technical league - he'd fit right in.
Don't ever mess with Feeky. He'll stat you into submission.
I agree. But every game I have ever seen from Messi he literally influences the game. Even in off games he draws 2 and 3 defenders and they literally have to hack him down to stop him. I never saw Maradona play but if he was better than this feck me sideways.
I actually quite enjoyed watching Seba in a utd shirt, he was completely one footed (still is) but that one foot was special. I was pretty gutted when we sold him because he clearly had the talent to play at the top level, he just struggled to adjust to a league where you get very little time on the ball. It's a bit of a cliché but he really couldn't play at Stoke/Bolton on a windy winter night.
As for this typical lazy journalists comparison, Berba is clearly more of a success than Veron, I hate to keep bringing this up but he is the top scorer in the league....
I quite clearly clarified that statement if you opened your eyes. Of course, im sure if I went through every game all season, I could find eleven games even when he's scored that he played poorly in but right now I couldn't be fecked. Proof in the pudding in the end is that he score and performs well against cannon fodder while he gets dropped for big and important games at the end of season yet again. For 30 million quid we were suppose to be getting a world class player....
If berbatov is our third striker and has outscored the entire epl, how can any of you fecking complain? Of course he's allowed to have some bad games. Some of the expectations are ridiculous. How about when he sat out our big games and was put into the West Ham game and delivered the goods? Vital three points in our title race, but none of the haters appreciate it. If we win the league this season, bebatov is a big reason, that's enough for some of the haters to shut up.
Don't Sevilla have financial problems?
Not a great example given that he did bugger all then score a tap in. Nani pretty much deserves all the praise for that goal.
You mean the Bolton Game and not West Ham?
Against Wet Ham he was only involved in the final goal even though he played a brilliant cameo.