I think the important part to note is that they do not want him to leave. They just have no choice as he has only a year left on his deal and Bayern will want some return.
Benjamin Pavard
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Tapsoba
57.2% won
1.38 lost per game.
Todibo
59.1% won
0.87 lost per game.
None of them are in the higher percentiles apart from Todibo whos stats for losing (or not losing) duels is excellent.
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So can someone explain this one to me? AWB or Dalot going? Or is 3 RB fine if one can play CB? Is he capable of playing that Fullback/DM role?
They steal Kim Min-Jae and we buy Pavard? Interesting turn of events.
I thought last season that Varane was manged very well and that we'd be very careful about his play time this season again. However i did think Lindelof wasn't too bad as a deputy and seemed to play well with Martinez so there'd be no need for another defender just yet.
I thought last season that Varane was manged very well and that we'd be very careful about his play time this season again. However i did think Lindelof wasn't too bad as a deputy and seemed to play well with Martinez so there'd be no need for another defender just yet.
Look in an ideal world we could get Pavard & Todibo right now but that's not happening
3 CBs for a whole season that could consist of around 60 games? I think not.
You’d have to define by whom for an extensive consideration, I think because you’d think we’d take a dip without Varane, but would also ask how many teams in the league are proficient enough in the league to thoroughly exploit it? I’ve not seen much of Pavard at CB (more never had reason to pay any attention to him) so couldn’t discuss his idiosyncracies on set-pieces or when faced with opponents who are outright better than him in the air I.e. does he have the positioning to thoroughly disrupt them or the awareness to place himself as an obstacle even if he’s not leaping etc.
I think that kind of stuff might be a journey of discovery for him as much as us as doing that stuff in the PL is quite a bit removed from other leagues where the aggression and power is not so high. Casemiro and Hojlund have roles to play in this aspect as well as Onana, who you’ve mentioned. In short, we’re going to be drilling new stuff in training, especially in lieu of Maguire and possibly McTominay who, even if not playing, would be key components in our training drills for and against at the very least.
This is funny. You are funny. Your football knowledge is funny. It begs the question how you are so funny.
I have reservations about this only because I thought we wanted Varane understudy,this move would suggest it's more we just want someone who can provide flexibility. I think that's the main reason people are puzzled about this.
Because we needed a sale in defence to make way for a new signing, now Timber is at Arsenal so that's a no go.
I'm sure if Timber was still at Ajax we'll be in for him.
Does he still play RB sometimes? That's what we really need imo. So a player that can be RB and backup CB is ideal.
Our history with Madrid has been fine in terms of transfers has been fine with the players more or less being fine. However, our history with Bayern has resulted in a crocks or hasbeens.
Why would we sign him as a right-back when we have two players in that position already? He will be coming as a rotation option for Varane.
20 games at right back last season and 23 at centre back.
I will bite and pretend this is a serious question.
Benjamin Pavard list of achivements:
Bayern Munich
- Bundesliga: 2019–20,[43] 2020–21,[44] 2021–22[45] 2022–23[46]
- DFB-Pokal: 2019–20[47]
- DFL-Supercup: 2020,[48] 2021, 2022[49]
- UEFA Champions League: 2019–20[50]
- UEFA Super Cup: 2020[51]
- FIFA Club World Cup: 2020[22]
- FIFA World Cup: 2018;[52] runner-up: 2022[53]
- UEFA Nations League: 2020–21[54]
- FIFA World Cup Goal of the Tournament: 2018[55]
- UEFA Champions League Breakthrough XI: 2019[56]
- kicker Bundesliga Team of the Season: 2019–20[57]
I can offer some general reasons why a player like Benjamin Pavard might choose not to move to a particular club like West Ham United, based on common considerations in football transfers. Among others:
- Ambitions and Aspirations: Players often consider the ambitions of both the club and themselves. If Pavard has aspirations to play for a club competing in European competitions (such as the UEFA Champions League or Europa League), he might be more inclined to consider clubs that regularly participate in these tournaments.
- Level of Competition: Players may prefer to join clubs that consistently challenge for titles and compete at a high level. If West Ham United's current status or recent performance doesn't align with Pavard's competitive ambitions, he might explore other options.
- Contractual Considerations: Players' contracts with their current clubs, including contract duration and financial terms, can impact transfer decisions. If Pavard is under a long-term contract or has specific financial demands, it could influence his decision.
I’d love to see him at united. Our back line would have so much quality and versatility with shaw and pavard both being able to play multiple positions.
So would I but others are understandably concerned he seemingly wants to leave Bayern as looking to play CB. I just hope he is willing to flexible on that one.
he's in the final year of his contract and Munich are still wanting 30m for him....bring him in that gives us 3 lads for RB and 4 CB's. Lindelof is the primary backup for Varane. Shaw i would guess is the back up for Martinez b/c Erik clearly has stated he prefers having left footed CB's. Pavard is right footed so again this move does create a bit of unbalance and overkill in the RB/CB spots
That's the way to go! Fingers crossed.
I would sell AWB while his stock his high - buy Pavard and another young CB.
He upgrades our starting 11 (would be our best RB) and covers at CB. It also allows us to then prioritise signing a top young CB next year. I think he makes perfect sense.
No, it gives us 5 CBs, 2 RBs and 2 LBs. With some of those player able to fill in for other positions. Pretty much whats required for a club of Utds ambition.
Primary position/2nd position
Dalot rb/lb
Wan Bisska rb/cb
Evans cb
Martinez cb/lb
Lindelof cb
Pavard cb/rb
Varane cb
Shaw lb/cb
Malacia lb
The difference is that Hargreaves was already injury prone and Schweinsteiger was a 30 year old who had been an absolute workhorse and main stay in Bayern's midfield since he was 17, so his legs were gone. Bayern wanted him gone.
Pavard is in his prime and Bayern wants to keep him, but he does not wish to stay.
I thought there were huge issues with him at Bayern?
AWB has never played CB and never will. It would highlight his weaknesses while somewhat negating his strengths.
We would play Dalot at CB before AWB.
Does this mean that Evans won’t get a 12 month contract?
Ah, yes, every player that wants to leave from a top club and come to us is a reject.
Calm down.
Pavard would be a great depth signing. Hope it happens
Are we looking for that is the question
Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't want him starting as our right back if we signed him. He's better than AWB and Dalot defensively but I've often found him a bit clunky when playing RB and not an ideal RB for a dynamic team.
Don't really care whether we go for him or the other two options but I think the profile at CB is the most important as cover/competition for Varane.
Don't really care whether we go for him or the other two options but I think the profile at CB is the most important as cover/competition for Varane.
Yeah timing was a bit off for that one.
Also think we should have gone in for Evan Ndicka before he went to Roma.
hopefully one of the CBS we are linked with can come in and make an impact
Also think we should have gone in for Evan Ndicka before he went to Roma.
hopefully one of the CBS we are linked with can come in and make an impact
Scored a cracker of a goal at the Aviva against Ireland back in March.
Good going forward and comfortable in possession.
Was it world cup 2018 he played in few years back and won it and he was great at it. Alot of people raved about him for his performances if I remember.
Good going forward and comfortable in possession.
Was it world cup 2018 he played in few years back and won it and he was great at it. Alot of people raved about him for his performances if I remember.
The French John O’Shea
Nonsense, he is a terrible goalkeeper.
I think he's a no brainer for us.
We have weaknesses at right back and we have a hole at CB. To be able to cover both to a high quality level in one swoop is rare. I know he seems to prefer CB, but at the end of the day he'll do what is required. He's a really good footballer, very composed and technically good. I do think he's probably better as a CB as maybe he's not the most dynamic right back around but still, it's good cover when we have two performers who are not consistent.
We have weaknesses at right back and we have a hole at CB. To be able to cover both to a high quality level in one swoop is rare. I know he seems to prefer CB, but at the end of the day he'll do what is required. He's a really good footballer, very composed and technically good. I do think he's probably better as a CB as maybe he's not the most dynamic right back around but still, it's good cover when we have two performers who are not consistent.
Can he play right back if Varane and Martinez are both fit? Surely a better option than Dalot
I’d prefer Todibo for the potential implications to long term squad building, but if it’s not him, then Pavard is a good player to sign. Think he’d start at RB almost immediately. He’d offer us better defensive solidity than either of our current options, and he’s much better on the ball than either Dalot or Wan-Bissaka.
I’d imagine that if he were to sign, he’d operate primarily as a RB, and an occasional RCB. But more likely Lindelof acts as RCB cover, Shaw as LCB cover - being left footed - and Dalot acts as additional LB cover, especially if the LB plays as an inverted fullback. It’s almost an advantage him being right footed.
Pavard is a hugely experienced, international class defender with excellent technical ability. Would be a massive upgrade on Maguire, and frankly I think we’d find him being a significant upgrade on either of our existing RBs. I think we’d also see in possession, him shifting over to play as part of a three with Varane and Martinez, with both him and Martinez having the license and ability to step into defensive midfield, and thus allowing Shaw to play much higher up the field creating overloads.
Just for the tactical flexibility and immediate quality this would give us, I really want this signing to happen. Immediate understanding with Varane too. Plus he’s only 27 and will be available for around what we sold Maguire for. Essentially a Maguire for Pavard swap is the stuff dreams are made of.
I think people also aren’t realising what a goal threat he poses as well. He’s very technical and for a RB has both an excellent finish and shot on him. His delivery from out wide is also miles ahead of either AWB or Dalot. Miles.
I’d imagine that if he were to sign, he’d operate primarily as a RB, and an occasional RCB. But more likely Lindelof acts as RCB cover, Shaw as LCB cover - being left footed - and Dalot acts as additional LB cover, especially if the LB plays as an inverted fullback. It’s almost an advantage him being right footed.
Pavard is a hugely experienced, international class defender with excellent technical ability. Would be a massive upgrade on Maguire, and frankly I think we’d find him being a significant upgrade on either of our existing RBs. I think we’d also see in possession, him shifting over to play as part of a three with Varane and Martinez, with both him and Martinez having the license and ability to step into defensive midfield, and thus allowing Shaw to play much higher up the field creating overloads.
Just for the tactical flexibility and immediate quality this would give us, I really want this signing to happen. Immediate understanding with Varane too. Plus he’s only 27 and will be available for around what we sold Maguire for. Essentially a Maguire for Pavard swap is the stuff dreams are made of.
I think people also aren’t realising what a goal threat he poses as well. He’s very technical and for a RB has both an excellent finish and shot on him. His delivery from out wide is also miles ahead of either AWB or Dalot. Miles.
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The common consensus on here is that international football is irrelevant when analysing a player.