Benjamin Mendy | Man City player

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salford_ said:
So if they win the league, is Pep a genius or has he bought his way to it? All managers do to an extent but i have always said he is not the best manager in the world, the talk he would come here and dominate was always BS. Mendy is a decent signing, not a kyle walker fan, bernardo is good, and the keeper just smacks of vastly overpaying
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If Pep does lead City to some combination of multiple PL and/or CL it will be because of money and tactical nouse. The competition is too intense for it to be any other way. Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Poch and even such as Wenger and Koeman are capable of winning the PL if all the stars align as they did for Ranieri.
Genius is a term often thrown at Pep mostly by journos with a book to sell or a feature column to be read and repeated mostly by opposing fans after a defeat.
What he is is a single minded coach who has a style of coaching and man management that sets him apart from his contemporaries.

Like his hero Ferguson had.
 
Think they'll probably start the season just like they did last year. They'll probably win their first handful of games by blowing away everyone and we'll hear talk of the treble and how they'll win the league by 20 points just like we did last season.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
If Pep does lead City to some combination of multiple PL and/or CL it will be because of money and tactical nouse. The competition is too intense for it to be any other way. Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Poch and even such as Wenger and Koeman are capable of winning the PL if all the stars align as they did for Ranieri.
Genius is a term often thrown at Pep mostly by journos with a book to sell or a feature column to be read and repeated mostly by opposing fans after a defeat.
What he is is a single minded coach who has a style of coaching and man management that sets him apart from his contemporaries.

Like his hero Ferguson had.
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And £140m to spend on 3 fullbacks. I'm far from a genius but I could identify obvious targets like Walker and Mendy and field them together.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
And £140m to spend on 3 fullbacks. I'm far from a genius but I could identify obvious targets like Walker and Mendy and field them together.
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Let's not pretend that United and Chelsea can't chase the same targets.
 
Gentleman Jim said:
If Pep does lead City to some combination of multiple PL and/or CL it will be because of money and tactical nouse. The competition is too intense for it to be any other way. Mourinho, Conte, Klopp, Poch and even such as Wenger and Koeman are capable of winning the PL if all the stars align as they did for Ranieri.
Genius is a term often thrown at Pep mostly by journos with a book to sell or a feature column to be read and repeated mostly by opposing fans after a defeat.
What he is is a single minded coach who has a style of coaching and man management that sets him apart from his contemporaries.

Like his hero Ferguson had.
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Yeah, agree with that. He isn't in Germany anymore with a huge resource advantage compared to his rivals. There are other clubs in the PL who can match City in their spending.
 
The last two winners of the league didn't spend much money, the most consistent team in England penny pinch as well.
It's a bit disingenuous to claim Pep needs to spend this amount of money on top of a squad that many, many people procalimed as the best squad in the country
 
Varun said:
Yeah, agree with that. He isn't in Germany anymore with a huge resource advantage compared to his rivals. There are other clubs in the PL who can match City in their spending.
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i don't believe this for a second. Yes we can match a signing or two but a quarter of billion of defenders the last few seasons or over £100m just on full backs in one window? I doubt very much.
 
Lawman said:
i don't believe this for a second. Yes we can match a signing or two but a quarter of billion of defenders the last few seasons or over £100m just on full backs in one window? I doubt very much.
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Why is the position players are being signed for critical in this debate? They're spending on areas where they have obvious gaps just like any other club.
 
Varun said:
City are going to be crazy good in attack this season.
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Attack wins the league in EPL, but I think that they will get found in Europe again. Totally unconvinced from their defense, Mendy and Stones aren't good at defending, and Otamendi and Walker aren't that great to compensate. And their attack - as strong as it is - isn't that strong to make up for their inability to defend.

They should be able to win the league though. Aguero - De Bruyne and two Silvas in attack with Jesus, Sane and Sterling for rotation, with arguably the two best attacking full backs in the league should allow them to burn the smaller teams.
 
You have to have a decent defence to win the league and I am not sure they play enough defenders to do it, never mind if the defenders are good enough.

Their attacking options are very good, though, for sure.
 
Revan said:
Attack wins the league in EPL, but I think that they will get found in Europe again. Totally unconvinced from their defense, Mendy and Stones aren't good at defending, and Otamendi and Walker aren't that great to compensate. And their attack - as strong as it is - isn't that strong to make up for their inability to defend.

They should be able to win the league though. Aguero - De Bruyne and two Silvas in attack with Jesus, Sane and Sterling for rotation, with arguably the two best attacking full backs in the league should allow them to burn the smaller teams.
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Yeah, I don't expect their team as it stands to be able to win the CL. Winning the league is more about being the best flat track bullies around which their team looks good at but they arent alone in this regard so that won't be easy either. I expect a close race this year.
 
City's problem is in getting their attackers to play as a unit and to play Peps style.
Fitting Aguero and Jesus into the side while trying to settle Silva in is a big ask, its almost as if Pep has to start again.
Its his second season but in terms of squad maturity it kind of isn't. Plus having such a stacked bench in a World Cup year mightn't be the smartest thing to have.
 
cyberman said:
City's problem is in getting their attackers to play as a unit and to play Peps style.
Fitting Aguero and Jesus into the side while trying to settle Silva in is a big ask, its almost as if Pep has to start again.
Its his second season but in terms of squad maturity it kind of isn't. Plus having such a stacked bench in a World Cup year mightn't be the smartest thing to have.
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Don't think Aguero will have a big role to play. Would be competing with Jesus but will ultimately fall out of favour as he did last season as GBJ offers more of what Pep likes.

Mendy and Silva are great buys for them though, will most likely do very well which is a shame.
 
As good as Silva is, if you remove Aguero you remove a lot of goals.
There aren't many proven goalscorers in their projected 11.
A lot of Juan Mata types
 
Gentleman Jim said:
Let's not pretend that United and Chelsea can't chase the same targets.
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United spend a lot of money mostly on attacking players, but the fees that City are spending on the back 5 is on a different planet all together. United have recently spent £30m on defenders such as Bailly and Lindelof, but it seems your vast scouting network only focuses on the extremely obvious choices such as Walker, Stones and Mendy, and then you get shafted for £50m+. Not my money so I don't care, and I'm sure you don't either, but it's far from genius from your manager or scouting department.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
United spend a lot of money mostly on attacking players, but the fees that City are spending on the back 5 is on a different planet all together. United have recently spent £30m on defenders such as Bailly and Lindelof, but it seems your vast scouting network only focuses on the extremely obvious choices such as Walker, Stones and Mendy, and then you get shafted for £50m+. Not my money so I don't care, and I'm sure you don't either, but it's far from genius from your manager or scouting department.
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IrishRedDevil said:
United spend a lot of money mostly on attacking players, but the fees that City are spending on the back 5 is on a different planet all together. United have recently spent £30m on defenders such as Bailly and Lindelof, but it seems your vast scouting network only focuses on the extremely obvious choices such as Walker, Stones and Mendy, and then you get shafted for £50m+. Not my money so I don't care, and I'm sure you don't either, but it's far from genius from your manager or scouting department.
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We also spent a lot on Shaw as well... intact other than city has anybody spent more than us on their back Five?... possibly but I can't think who off the top of my head
 
sun_tzu said:
We also spent a lot on Shaw as well... intact other than city has anybody spent more than us on their back Five?... possibly but I can't think who off the top of my head
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Shaw was £27m, bit of a difference between £50m and £27m?! Also he was on track to be a very good player for us until the injury but that is beside the point.

City have spent £250m on the back 5 in the last 3 years only and in my opinion, they still need another CB and there is big question marks over Stones.
 
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Mendy is a good buy, an exciting left back who will cause trouble going forward. But defensively he looks very clumsy. I would say Walker is a better defender than Mendy but Mendy is better going forward, which pep will jerk off to. But now pep has to deliver. No more crap or excuses by his lovers.

I am pretty sure jose must be fuming at eddy, everyone buying and here we are. Sign him a player or two , woody
 
Centre-back and defensive midfielder to complete a fine window for City.
 
AshRK said:
Mendy is a good buy, an exciting left back who will cause trouble going forward. But defensively he looks very clumsy. I would say Walker is a better defender than Mendy but Mendy is better going forward, which pep will jerk off to. But now pep has to deliver. No more crap or excuses by his lovers.

I am pretty sure jose must be fuming at eddy, everyone buying and here we are. Sign him a player or two , woody
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But Guardiola doesn't want a solid, defensive-minded full back. He basically wants players who are as comfortable further forward and in narrow positions as anywhere else. So, in that sense, getting hung up on the things he doesn't do is a bit pointless.
 
Over 2.5 goals in City's matches is going to be a safe bet this season.
 
Brophs said:
But Guardiola doesn't want a solid, defensive-minded full back. He basically wants players who are as comfortable further forward and in narrow positions as anywhere else. So, in that sense, getting hung up on the things he doesn't do is a bit pointless.
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But what's the point if city again end up conceding silly goals. The problem is , I wont be surprised if pep repeats the same mistake. They are defensively crap and it is very difficult to win the league when your defense is leaking goals. You can score all the goals of you want but there will be days when opponents will just punish you. I can already see us scoring a classing jose type counter attack against them and winning 1-0 or more.
 
sun_tzu said:
We also spent a lot on Shaw as well... intact other than city has anybody spent more than us on their back Five?... possibly but I can't think who off the top of my head
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We Spent 27 m on shaw. nearly half the amount.
 
AshRK said:
But what's the point if city again end up conceding silly goals. The problem is , I wont be surprised if pep repeats the same mistake. They are defensively crap and it is very difficult to win the league when your defense is leaking goals. You can score all the goals of you want but there will be days when opponents will just punish you. I can already see us scoring a classing jose type counter attack against them and winning 1-0 or more.
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All of that might well be right. But I'd argue that what last season taught us is that Guardiola isn't going to die wondering. He'll buy the players he feels he needs to execute a very attacking, possession-based system. I really don't think he's suddenly going to become a coach who gets hung up on traditional stuff like "One full back always sits when the other goes" and "Don't play the ball across your own box". To him these things aren't risks, they're just potential outcomes of playing the way he does/wants to. IMHO, of course.
 
Brophs said:
All of that might well be right. But I'd argue that what last season taught us is that Guardiola isn't going to die wondering. He'll buy the players he feels he needs to execute a very attacking, possession-based system. I really don't think he's suddenly going to become a coach who gets hung up on traditional stuff like "One full back always sits when the other goes" and "Don't play the ball across your own box". To him these things aren't risks, they're just potential outcomes of playing the way he does/wants to. IMHO, of course.
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I don't know for me if a manager is pragmatic , he can be more successful. Conte taught pep that, you can all have your philosophy and system but it all looks stupid if it doesn't yield trophies. Not saying pep's system is bad, it is good but without trophies, nah I wont be bothered. I care very little about managers and their stubborn system aka lvg.
 
Feed Me said:
This thread stinks of boiling piss :lol:
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Transfer windows seem to create a culture of crybabies and drama queens.

Every rival signing is met with cries of why weren't we in for him, and whines of how they are a cert for the title next season.
 
Nero said:
Transfer windows seem to create a culture of crybabies and drama queens.

Every rival signing is met with cries of why weren't we in for him, and whines of how they are a cert for the title next season.
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It's a joke - people look down their noses at our players and ludicrously overrate those of our rivals. Insufferable.
 
AshRK said:
I don't know for me if a manager is pragmatic , he can be more successful. Conte taught pep that, you can all have your philosophy and system but it all looks stupid if it doesn't yield trophies. Not saying pep's system is bad, it is good but without trophies, nah I wont be bothered. I care very little about managers and their stubborn system aka lvg.
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Chelsea are great on counter attack. But before you are a goal or two down Are you good enough to win the ball and keep it and create ? Not many creative teams are out there

He intends to bore the hell out of england with his Posession stuff when facing all the teams.
 
Feed Me said:
It's a joke - people look down their noses at our players and ludicrously overrate those of our rivals. Insufferable.
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One question, Would you not raise an eyebrow if players like vidic or evra went to a rivals team?
 
prtk0811 said:
One question, Would you not raise an eyebrow if players like vidic or evra went to a rivals team?
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It's an inevitability that other big clubs will buy good players - we can't fecking sign them all!

Personally don't think United need to be spending £52m on Mendy.

It's just galling to see so many fans moaning about the fact that we've got Lukaku instead of Morata. I guarantee that if we'd landed Morata and Lukaku had gone to Chelsea then our fans would be moaning in that instance too.
 
prtk0811 said:
One question, Would you not raise an eyebrow if players like vidic or evra went to a rivals team?
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I'd not care if some player in their mid 30's went to City?

If you're on about when we signed Evra and Vidic, who'd have cared to be honest, they were not high profile players. City are paying over top dollar for players who've done very well in the Champions league or the Premiership. A million miles away from what Evra and Vidic were.
 
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