I am not sure what people think when they say that he cant make it for us. He clearly got things going for him now. Some players need time to come good. At only 23 years old, his a great talent.
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Judging on today's market 10 m that we paid for him is a normal price for a relatively young player who just had a season like that.
Your right, if we sell him, we will get our money back without any problem. But I would like to see him get a chance under LvG. He got speed, power, strength, technique and I guess, some confidence now. And he scores goals. Beats Young by a mile.
Me too, of course. Still rooting for the guy
i don't think we'll get back the 7.4 million pound (if true) that we paid for him if we sell him now but if he is not already our player and we are interested in him, then most of us would say 7.4 million pound is a good value for a young promising Portuguese forward who has been doing pretty well in the Portuguese league.
You're joking, right? Have you seen what we sell players for? Here's a list of every player we've ever sold for over £7m:
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Cristiano RonaldoReal Madrid£80 millionJuly 2009[57]2
David BeckhamReal Madrid£25 millionJune 20033
Jaap StamLazio£15.25 millionAugust 20014
Juan Sebastián VerónChelsea£15 millionAugust 20035
Ruud van NistelrooyReal Madrid£10.3 millionJuly 20066
Gabriel HeinzeReal Madrid£8.1 millionAugust 20077
Andy ColeBlackburn Rovers£7.5 millionDecember 2001I'm not sure Bebe is quite in that bracket.
Young players who haven't made it at United go for £3m max, and more often for nothing.
He's certainly got that ability to just score a wonder goal out of nothing. It's just the rest of his game that need's rounding. He certainly showed signs that he was getting better though in our pre season, and I think getting first team football at that level has given him natural confidence.
I hope LVG gives him a fair chance.
I hope LVG gives him a fair chance.
A question to the portuguese posters. How is his footballing intelligence? Does he most often than not take the right options? Is he involved in build up play?
I know we don't have a Pacos supporter but a general opinion would be nice.
I know we don't have a Pacos supporter but a general opinion would be nice.
You're joking, right? Have you seen what we sell players for? Here's a list of every player we've ever sold for over £7m:
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I'm not sure Bebe is quite in that bracket.
Young players who haven't made it at United go for £3m max, and more often for nothing.
Well, he is one of the most exciting young players in Portugal now. Why should we sell him for peanuts? I hope we give him a chance. We would look pretty stupid if he turn out to be a great player.
Bebe has been written off so many times. But I always saw him as a striker rather than a winger. I think under van Gaal he will succeed here.
selling him when he is coming good will be silly.
selling him when he is coming good will be silly.
Watching that video I've decided I want us to sign "man who back-flips inappropriately."
And give Bebe a chance, but mainly the backflipper thing.
Edit: That's also the first time I've watched one of those compilations and not muted it instantly.
And give Bebe a chance, but mainly the backflipper thing.
Edit: That's also the first time I've watched one of those compilations and not muted it instantly.
Jesus fecking Christ.
fecking hell, those goals 
I've always said the same, but I could also see him in a wing forward position.
Agreed that his best position would be as part of a front 3, rather than a flat 442
Yep.....he is a player like Pedro or Bellamy........wide striker in 4-3-3
I think he'd be a good fit into van Gaal's system given his on-the-ball ability and ability to strike the ball well along with his good ability in 1-on-1 situations. His tactical discipline will be an issue, but if Bebe's cooperative, then he can be a useful player under van Gaal.
Apparently Van Gaal prefers intelligent players that understand their roles in his 4 phases of play. Now I am no expert in these matters but I think that someone of Bebe's qualities and background is really going to struggle with a complex and immersive philosophy such as Van Gaal's.
This is where Bebe has to be cooperative. If he's willing to appreciate the tactical side of things and learn from it, he can be a useful player for van Gaal. If not, he's off.
who would play Bebe in a movie , if he did come good ?
You're joking, right? Have you seen what we sell players for? Here's a list of every player we've ever sold for over £7m:
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I'm not sure Bebe is quite in that bracket.
Young players who haven't made it at United go for £3m max, and more often for nothing.
That has nothing to do with our not getting much for players, and everything to do with the fact that we're generally not a selling club. Players have ridiculously long careers at United, more so than most other clubs and when we do sell noteworthy players, they go for big fees. Right now Bebe's stock is higher than its ever been, so he could easily go for alot more than people might think.
Feck me those goals are incredible!
Carlos Quieroz must be saying "See that f**ckers???"
I'm really happy for Bebe. He's basically kept Pacos in the top flight with his individual brilliance and magic. I'm sure that he'd be a valuable member of any top Portuguese team, at this point (bar Benfica).
To think that he was once homeless and had barely any chance of making something of his life...now, he's relatively successful!
I'd be glad to see what van Gaal can do with him. However, if that isn't possible, he can always forge a successful career in the continent.
To think that he was once homeless and had barely any chance of making something of his life...now, he's relatively successful!
I'd be glad to see what van Gaal can do with him. However, if that isn't possible, he can always forge a successful career in the continent.
Does he remind anybody else of a really raw Adriano ?
I don't think he was actually ever homeless, he lived in the care of the church for a period of his childhood and then in a care home for boys/young men. Not that it really matters but I'm quite pedantic, and either way he's definitely had a really abnormal and tough upbringing
I think he could prove most useful either coming in from the left or right in a 4-3-3 formation. I'm unsure what plans LVG has, but playing RVP, Rooney and Mata as forwards in a 4-3-3 looks too slow to me. Bebe was said to have the raw pace of Bellion, and I don't doubt that. His top speed is immense - Valencia levels - and he runs well with the ball also; he can run in behind the defense and he can dribble past players. I think he could prove a valuable squad player for next season and then maybe spur on from that.
I actually can see that comparison, think he has a similar build and is fast and powerful with a rocket shot. Hopefully he's mentally better than Adriano, it's quite sad what happened to him
Di Caprio with the first oscar-winning role?
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Well no, he's not a great talent. Nowhere near it.
He has a great shot though. The problem is that he needs much more than that at a club like United whether he plays on the wing or up front. He's not a dribbler or creator from wide and he doesn't have a striker's movement up front. He just has a wicked shot
I've seen him dribble decently and play nice passes. Granted that doesn't mean much, but just because we've all watched a compilation of him scoring some nice goals doesn't mean that all he has to his game is a good shot. He might not be a "great talent" but he's clearly a player who has shown far more ability than any of us really thought he would. Based on his performances this season he deserves a clean slate and a chance to compete with the rest of our wingers at United. And come to think of it the last time I saw him play for United he was probably our best player
Don't forget that his dribbling's also pretty good, and that, combined with his power and pace, causes problems for the opposition when he's in 1-on-1 situations. Plus, his movement's decent, and he gets into some nice positions to score those goals.
Other than that, he hasn't demonstrated that he can create chances or play some good passes (then again, I've only seen him on YouTube
). Still, he can add those things to his game given that he is behind in his development. Whether he can become a great talent or not is another question...He's only 23. Plenty of time for him to make a great career for himself in the game.
I want him to succeed at United...hope van Gaal will bring the best out of him.
Maybe we should utilise him as a forward then ? he seems to have the physical presence and decent finishing anyway, hopefully we see whats to come in preseason anyway..he will have competition for places with Wilson coming through aswell as what we already have coming through and Januzajs develepment
A lukaku type loan in the premiership would be a real tester for the lad
want to see him part of the travelling pre season team for a start.
i honestly believe bebe got this raw talent that with great coaching can turn out to be a very good player. we all know he is 2 or 3 years behind in terms his tactical awareness compare to other players of his age but he seems to have all the attributes that can make a good player. he is big, strong, quick, two footed, seems to be able to strike the ball like ronaldo now.
maybe the only think that can be the make or break for him at united under van gaal now is his mental strength.
his goals
The funniest moment for me was Bebe's teammate doing the backflips @ 0.57-- it was like he was the one who score and not Bebe!!
He has a hell of a shot on him. Most of the goals he has scored have been long range shots with a few other types mixed in. Safe to say he knows how to score, whether the rest of his game has improved enough to warrant us keeping him I don't know. I'd like to hold onto him for at least one more season though
His long range shots, as impressive as they can be, are nothing more than hit and hopes. He just leathers it hoping for the best, there is no calculation behind it at all. For every goal that rockets in, there are 10 that hit the corner flag.
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Don't forget that his dribbling's also pretty good, and that, combined with his power and pace, causes problems for the opposition when he's in 1-on-1 situations. Plus, his movement's decent, and he gets into some nice positions to score those goals.
Other than that, he hasn't demonstrated that he can create chances or play some good passes (then again, I've only seen him on YouTube
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He often has trouble when faced with a defender he can take on. He shimmies and gets wider and wider towards the extremities of the pitch, he did that several times in the 2 matches I saw from him this season and its something he used to do in the reserves. To beat a man he relies on his pace which again, as far as I've seen is a little overstated. But he is quick and can indeed knock the ball past a defender and run on to it.
He can do plenty of things, dribble, pass, cross but all at a very average level. Its just his shot that is good enough for us.
Well you know, some people bothered to see how he was doing on loan not just watch youtube.