I still don't see it ..... what's the feckin reason????
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I still don't see it ..... what's the feckin reason????
For those saying that he's a striker, he looked as clueless in that position as wide.
Fair, but at the same time, Wright took his first team opportunity instantly and never looked back, something Bebe has manifestly failed to do to date, and there is no indication whatsoever that will change. Not even a flash
If, as it's said, he has all the attributes of a striker, then why the hell do we keep playing him on the wing? Seeing some of his reserve goals (especially the Wigan one) it seems he's a good striker of the ball but his dribbling ability is non existent. I'd like to see him as a striker in some game.
The obvious reason you can't bring yourself to tell us?
He's expected to be a Manchester United player who pushes for a first team place. He's expected to make the most of his first team opportunities, and at the very least show some promise, some indication that he's worth the time and money to develop
And if he can't do that, he shouldn't be here, simple as that
Are they all wums too?
feck me. Isn't it obvious?
In 2009, the highest level of football he'd played in was some one-off "Street Football" tournament with a bunch of other kids from the homeless shelter he was living in at the time.
In terms of working with properly qualified coaches, he might as well be 16 or 17 years old.
cant argue with that.
but fergie must see summat in the boy or surely he wouldn´t have played him.
he might never admit he made a mistake signing him without seeing him first but surely he wouldn´t risk the clubs success in the cup and all the money that a good cup run gives just to show that it wasn´t 7 million wasted.
One of my biggest bugbears of United fans in the Gloryhunter era is the inability of vast swathes of supporters to get behind our players. The abuse that Nani and even Ronaldo got from our fans when they were still developing was ridiculous. Ffs try to be a bit more constructive
Get behind them on the pitch, yes, but nothing wrong with discussing them after the game and being critical/positive.
What I did see from Bebe tonight was something resembling a half-decent cross. He has such power in his kicks that he can produce a fizzer from seemingly nothing. Yes, they lacked accuracy but I have seen Nani do ten step-over, beat his man three times, cut inside, go wide, get five yards of space and then put in a cross which just about clears the first blade of grass.
Bebe was firing them in with decent height from out of nothing tonight.
I know it's not a great deal to go with but he's got pace and he's got power.
Tonight seems to be a bit of a slag-fest for Obertan and Bebe but I did see some kind of fire in Bebe's belly this evening. He does seem to be a trier and genuinely wants to succeed and is prepared to put in whatever is necessary to give himself every chance.
That in itself is worth more than a talented kid who thinks he's already made it just cos he's pulled on the United shirt.
Bebe was firing them in with decent height from out of nothing tonight.
I know it's not a great deal to go with but he's got pace and he's got power.
Tonight seems to be a bit of a slag-fest for Obertan and Bebe but I did see some kind of fire in Bebe's belly this evening. He does seem to be a trier and genuinely wants to succeed and is prepared to put in whatever is necessary to give himself every chance.
That in itself is worth more than a talented kid who thinks he's already made it just cos he's pulled on the United shirt.
How many games has Bebe played in that weren't either Carling cup or vs lower league sides? I think we need to change our approach to such games and play at least 4-5 regulars, whilst blooding a few youngsters. Almost every time we chuck in a whole team of fringe players / youngsters it ends up like this
What some people dont understand, which I tried to point out but clearly failed when we first signed Bebe, is that the likes of Ian Wright, Smalling, Beckford etc, were all on the books at an Academy or Centre of Excellence at one stage. Bebe has absolutely no pedigree like this at all, and I dont think majority on here understand how truly important that education is for a professional player.
I maintain my stance that it is virtually impossible for a player with such little pedigree to make the step up to such a high level and be a success.
They don't have 5 years of previous. You have the tagline for a reason, and the sooner you are banned from posting in the football forums the better for the site as a whole.
This is a poor argument IMO. Because Nani quite clearly showed signs of promise. Ronaldo had one of the most electrifying debuts in United's recent history. In both cases you saw that we had special talents on our hands who even if they needed time would be worth the wait in the end.
I don't think many people are criticizing Smalling or Hernandez even if they've been slightly up and down. The talent is there for most to see. I'm more than willing to wait a few years for both of them to develop.
With Bebe I haven't as yet seen anything of note. If Fergie has seen something in training and is willing to wait then fair enough but fans ultimately will make judgments on what they see on the pitch.
Brilliant!!! I've never been coached at the highest level, and we used to play games on our back field in Crumpsall where we had to dodge the dog shit and syringes ....... I think I'm quite good though..... can I have a game please Mr Ferguson? FFS!!!
Your statement above just begs the question...why the feck have we signed him? If I was the inland revenue I'd be all over this signing, it's well dodgy.
Good posts, TheMancRedDevil, Crustanoid & MacMUFC. 
He can be hardly called a winger. He can't cross to save his life.
I'd have had King playing with Chico and Gibson playing right of midfield.
If he cost c£500k then people would be more understanding, but when you spunk £7/8m on a player and the fundamental technical ability seems to be so lacking then you expect the kind of reaction he's got so far.
He will improve with the training, but it's hard to see him ever justifying the price tag (which of course isn't anything to do with him).
It would certainly delay his development but it doesn't necessarily mean he can't catch up with his peers at the club, given time.
I'd rather play Bebe than Gibson on the right wing.
I think Pogue is saying that his development will be slower, and we sgned him because we think he will develop ... which he might?
I made a fair point about saying Bebe should start left and Obertan behind Hernandez, and you said this:
"Despite all of Bebe's goals coming from the right and him playing there the majority of his Utd career?
Give up you spastic and troll somewhere else."
This is unfair and this is not good for the forum, all you do is try to mock every one of my posts.
Both Nani and Ronaldo got slated to feck by 'fans' on occasion during their early years. Why do you think we signed Bebe?
Everyone mocks your posts.
Worst performance I've seen from someone in a United Shirt for a long while.
His first touch and general control were appalling.
He didn't track back at all.
He can't cross for toffees.
He was constantly being bullied off the ball.
He didn't make runs down the wing when he should have or try to create space to receive a pass.
His off the ball work makes Gibson look like a work horse (thought Gibbo actually looked better off the ball tonight than normal).
Will he even get a look in once Welbeck and Cleverly are back? I think not, their light years ahead of him as well as Younger (in Welbecks case, not sure about Cleverly).
I am writing him off because he shows no potential at all compared to some of the other lad we have coming through, 7 million quid down the shitter.
Was disappointed Pogba didn't get a run out.
His first touch and general control were appalling.
He didn't track back at all.
He can't cross for toffees.
He was constantly being bullied off the ball.
He didn't make runs down the wing when he should have or try to create space to receive a pass.
His off the ball work makes Gibson look like a work horse (thought Gibbo actually looked better off the ball tonight than normal).
Will he even get a look in once Welbeck and Cleverly are back? I think not, their light years ahead of him as well as Younger (in Welbecks case, not sure about Cleverly).
I am writing him off because he shows no potential at all compared to some of the other lad we have coming through, 7 million quid down the shitter.
Was disappointed Pogba didn't get a run out.
No they don't. Do you still think Bebe should be played on the right wing?
Shortly after him being signed I alluded to that on this same thread.
Guimarães signs a young lower tier unknown player --> Player scores a few goals in obscure pre-season games --> Jorge Mendes becomes player's agent, owing 30% of his pass --> Player signs a 9 million euro clause with Guimarães --> Such clause is widely publicised in newspapers along with unsourced rumours that Spanish giants have an eye on him --> Player is switfly bought by United apparently without much negotiation involved, as his clause was paid fully
These are facts, below is speculation.
It seems to me you lot bit the bait. Mendes and Guimarães cashed big on the rumours themselves probably started circulating, as it will be evident to anyone that knows how Portuguese football newspapers work.
With all that is known about Bebe by now it seems to me rather plausible that it was the above that happened, at least more plausible than a move based on a professional scout with thorough info on the player. If it was the latter, I think the transfer would have happened on a different timing and by different values.
If it was as I thought it was a childish mistake by one of the most successful and professional sports organizations in the world. One mistake, that's just it, I don't think it's reason for alarm. It happens, and someone learned something on the process. And well, it's still early, the future may even show it wasn't such a big mistake, though I doubt it.
Because our coaches think he has potential. They obviously see him as someone with someone our coaches can work with, to develop him into a decent player, despite the tough start he's had in life.
Out of interest, did you ever score a goal like this in your back field?
Well I can't speak for others but I always backed Nani and Ronaldo to come good.
As for why we signed Bebe? Its a bizarre one. Scout in Portugal obviously saw something but Bebe hasn't shown exactly what our scout saw as of yet.
We signed him because a scout saw him play and thought he had talent, and not just any talent, a talent so good he must be snapped up instantly, without the manager having time to even see him play, so no other club snapped him up first. This just after a free transfer move, having not played a first team game since
Now I'm not a scout, but I have watched a game of football or two down the years... where the feck is this unmissable talent he has?
Is there any young player, anywhere in Europe, who isn't linked with the likes of Real Madrid when he first starts to impress?
If we were to snap up every 20 year old that suddenly gets linked with a move to Madrid, we'd be signing dozens of kids every summer.
I have not seen it either, I'm just saying someone must have, maybe it's the emperors new clothes among the staff and nobody has said 'actually he's rubbish, we've been had' or maybe he is good. I just hope it has a happy ending!Loads of them!
Great ,let the coaches work with him...then when he's ready let him near the reserve team. I expect that to be in about 18 months time.
We're doing him no favours by exposing him to teams as good as Crawley.
I think that's key to the whole thing. People are still a bit hung up on the belief that we apparently paid as much for Bebe as Spurs did for VDV and it rankles somewhat.
Bebe must have shown something for our scouts to take note of. Fergie clearly puts a lot of stock in the reports from his scouting team and has praised them publicly several times recently.
Bebe was just doing what he does and our scouts spotted some potential there that was worth a punt.
If he HAD cost £500k then we wouldn't even be having this debate, it's the understanding that it was an £8million punt.
Under normal circumstances, we would be saying that the lad has been brought here from abroad and we all know that foreign players can take time to adapt to their new surroundings. In the case of Bebe, these "new surroundings" include things like having a proper roof over his head.
After all that has happened to him in a matter of months, I'm surprised the lad even knows which way to run when he gets onto a pitch.
If we're still having this debate in three years' time, fair enough, but for now I'd rather leave off heavy-duty criticism and focus on the positives. It wasn't his fault that he cost £8million (or whatever). He was just given an opportunity he probably thought he'd never get and he's now trying his level best to make the most of it.
This. Nail. Head. Brad.
I kind of agree with the last bit. He doesn't look anywhere near ready for first team football but when the best alternative is Gibson playing right wing, you can see we don't have many options.
Very good point. Its happened almost every time we make wholesale changes.
The up and coming players need to have experienced heads around them to help them progress. When they are all thrown in together it just makes for frustrating performances.
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