Daniel Taylors next blog: United fans turn on flop Bebe. The forums were awash with United fans expressing their dissappointment of his latest performance...blah blah...include spastic quotes from redcafe etc
Bebe | 2010/11 Performances
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I trust your judgment.
Is English your first language?
Are we reluctant to write him off or too quick to write him off?
What if Bebe gets fecked off now he's seen him perform this woefully?
Perhaps fadas is bang on?
This tired old arguement of 'Fergie knowing best' still gets rolled out... yes he does, he's arguably the greatest manager of all time for a reason, but it doesn't mean he's right every time, and Bebe wouldn't be the first player Fergie has persisted with long after many other realised he wasn't up to task
Yes, sometimes it does seem some people see Fergie as a machine. He will make errors.
"It is crucial that we keep identifying top young players to come to Manchester United.
And it's not just overseas we look. We've got Chris Eagles, Paul McShane, Kieran Richardson and Phil Bardsley all coming through."
"He is a young player with great potential who will fit into the club's future plans very well." On Bellion
"Eric (Djemba) is a young player we've watched throughout the season, and he's impressed us each time with his understanding of the game," said Ferguson. "He's quick, aggressive and a good passer of the ball, and is the kind of athletic footballer we are looking for."
"Chris Eagles has matured and improved a lot since he came back from his loan spell (with Dutch side NEC Nijmegen). He's still only 20 years of age and he has got a great future ahead of him."
It's the strangest transfer I have ever seen, all that money for a 20 year old who looks like he has less knowledge of basics than 17 year olds playing in youth teams.
Does he see something on the training pitch or is he maybe obliged to progress his career quicker due to the fee paid by giving him games? I see more talent in academy players.
You entirely ignored my second paragraph I see. I wouldn't mind but I only wrote two, and they were reasonably short for me as well.
Of course he's made mistakes, and people have given up on players before he has and been correct. If you look at those cases alone, you'd be tempted to never trust his judgement.
When you look at his entire record, though...
...I've often found it wiser to trust him, on the whole.
You are correct, we actually paid over £8 million for Bebe with agent fees added.
Where did the Bébé money go? | United Rant
"The €9 million fee – £7.9 million at today’s exchange rate, although widely reported as £7.4 million – was roughly confirmed in notes to United’s end-of-year accounts. The audited annual figures show a post-balance sheet transaction of £8.3 million was paid in respect of player registrations after 30 June, 2010.
Bébé was United’s sole transfer window acquisition post the 30 June accounting deadline for the 2009/10 financial year..." United Rant -Oct 2010
'On one United forum, a member named Eric4Ever wrote: 'He was born in a bin and his performances belong there. Flog him, Fergie!!1!'
Bebé, a Portuguese player from Spain, cost Manchester United SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION POUNDS and earns A LOT OF MONEY per week. In these austere times, this reporter is disgusted that Manchester United pay this tramp so much, when they could give his wages to charity, or better still, middle-class journalists.'
Bebe has started two games. He's hardly "persisting" with him, is he?
Like I said, Fergie is picking him (unlike, say, Tosic) so he obviously sees something in him which is reason enough to reserve judgement for a sensible amount of time.
Obviously, it carries no guarantee but it's more than enough reason to give a young player a bit more time to develop. Or at least it should be.
Oh christ, we're not allowed call a spade a spade now lest some prick attempts to patronise you.
I'm not saying I know better than Ferguson... I'm saying Bebe is shit. He's fecking brutal, wouldn't get into a pub team and if you think any different, you're mad.
Brown envelope job, that whole transfer. Magnier was right to raise concerns about the goings on.
I watch most of our reserve games. It's hardly comparable to first team football but I don't think he's looked comfortable playing wide at that level either. He just runs down the line and gets rid of the ball as soon as he gets the chance.
He looks so much more comfortable in the middle it's silly. I'm completely baffled as to why he keeps being stuck out wide. We kept doing the same thing with Welbeck too, and it made him look shite.
I don't agree with Fadas at all. I think he's got some talent with the ball at his feet, and often the problem stems more from him not really knowing what to do with it. Same goes for Obertan, though feck knows what his position is supposed to be.
Hmm, thanks for that info. I thought transfer fees were amortised anyway, so why would the full whack show up in our end-of-year accounts? The number seems strange too.
Either way I'll leave the value debate, might be best left to GCHQ... Maybe.
Why would the fee have anything to do with it? Didn't Tosic cost almost exactly the same?
I always trust him. But I can still disagree with him
I've seen Bebe myself on several occasions now, and a Manchester United player he will not make. And it becomes a problem because I think there are players we have at the club who show more potential, and possibly could have played ahead of him today
You have to take your opportunities and this bloke is absolutely nowhere near
If I'm spectacularly wrong I'd happily eat all the humble pie in the world
If that is a factor I would say it's accentuated by the whole never saw him play angle.
In this case he'd gone for nothing not long earlier, and hadn't played a first team game since. With the revelation the manager had never seen him play either... I'd say the circumstances were different, wouldn't you?
Nobody knows how much Tosic cost. With Llajic, it was meant to be a combined fee of £16.8m, whilst Llajic was meant to make up the majority of that fee. I've never seen Tosic's fee been confirmed though, although I think it was speculated to be around £3.5m. That number sticks out in my head.
Most likely I think there is just a shortage of cover on the wings and I don't think some of the academy wingers are anywhere near ready to play in the first team.
Fergie probably feels Bebe will do him a job in lesser matches like today which allows Giggsy and the like to be rested. However he let him down today as well
And this would force Fergie to risk him in an FA Cup fixture why, exactly?
Conversely, why did he never take the same risk with Tosic?
Could it be, maybe, that he's seen something in Bebe on the training pitch he never saw in Tosic?
I'd better change that to tendecy.
If only you were so quick to spot talent in a young player.......
Of course, I just think we're at too premature a stage to reach that position yet. Fergie said soon after he joined that he would take years of development.
I heard somewhere (could be SAF) his best position is in the middle. However, I don't think it's fair or right because a substantial fee was paid he gets quick tracked to the first team. I still insist there are better players at United to warrant a chance before Bebe. If SAF or the coaches think he has a chance to make it here then do it in games where it's not likely to hurt the club.
Do you have a link to this quote?
Felt sorry for him towards the end. Looked really lost. Hope it doesn't dishearten him and he continues working hard
If only you were so quick to spot talent in a young player.......
Have you seen any of this talent in Bebe? You're the only one that has.
Pogue he paid £7million or whatever on the player without seeing him play once. This 'seen something on the training pitch' line is a little fecking rich in the circumstances
I think a big part of it is that Bebe is a large guy and looks like he can handle the physical side of the game, every report suggested Tosic was too lightweight for the English game.
Can anyone come to sensible conclusion why SAF commented he had never seen the player before he signed? This from a mananger who probably controls the colour of toilet paper at Old Trafford.
Maybe because they are both so fast down the wing and we're short of pacy wingers.....and Fergie does love to have pacy wingers in the team.
We've also got more than our fair share of strikers atm too so there isn't a vacant slot up front. Pity really because both of them tend to gravitate to the centre and seem more far more comfortable and threatening there. Bebe seemed to spend more time in and around the box than the strikers today.
I don't think that is true. Mats Moller Daehli and Gyliano van Velzen both had "nominal" fees paid for them, possibly others. Also, we are known to agree deals earlier but only make them official after 1st July. Perhaps the fees paid out for the likes of Vermijl are also included in that figure?
Also, the £7.4 that was widely quoted was correct at the time as being the cost in sterling at the exchange rate at the time for €9m.
Noodlehair alluded to one of Fergie's more puzzling traits - playing young players out of position in their early careers. I'm not sure why he does that. Wellbeck, Macheda and now Bebe have played wide in games and looked crap. Also Fletcher, Gibson and other central midfielders were shoved into wide positions. Perhaps he is looking to instill versatilty or improve other qualities. I'm not convinced it's a good thing.
Cos he would look bad.
The combined fee was to have been £16.3m (BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Man Utd | Man Utd sign up Tosic and Ljajic). When we did not sign Ljajic, the reports were that he was to have cost £10m (BBC Sport - Football - Manchester United explain Ljajic transfer withdrawal). That means Tosic cost the rest - £6.3m
I don't really have a problem with him getting chances. He generally looks like one of the more talented players at reserve level, even if he is very rough round the edges. I just don't get this habit we have of shoving players like him, Obertan, Macheda etc. into the first team, but in roles they're clearly not comfortable or suited to, and potentially harming their confidence and maybe even career as a result.
I mean what was he supposed to do today? Beat two defenders on his own and then somehow pick out our lone midget striker in the box despite him being marked by about four Crawley players?
If you wouldn't expect Nani or Giggs to be able to do it, it's incredibly unfair to ask some inexperienced, probably nowhere near as talented kid to.
How many games did Macheda get with a suitable partner or supply line before he was shipped out to sit on the bench in Italy? I don't think any. It's been a fecking frustrating season for this sort of nonsense.
He signed him on the recommendation of our scouts but our scouts don't pick teams. Fergie does. After watching players in training. Which is when he will have "seen something on the training pitch".
It's a big jump from being homeless to playing for Manchester United. Maybe he's just too nervous, as he really hasn't played a lot of football, never mind playing in front of 75 thousand fans with high expectations.
I agree with those that say we shouldn't judge him for some time. And I also agree with those that say Fergie won't be afraid to flog him out as soon as he gives up, as he did with Tosic. Clearly he sees something in him and that's good enough for me for now.
I agree with those that say we shouldn't judge him for some time. And I also agree with those that say Fergie won't be afraid to flog him out as soon as he gives up, as he did with Tosic. Clearly he sees something in him and that's good enough for me for now.
Wasn't just a slip of the tongue either, he explained it in reasonable detail
"On this occasion I didn't watch him," Ferguson said. "It is the first time I have done it. Normally I see plenty of video footage but our scouting department is very good and sometimes you have to go on instinct.
"Our scout in Portugal was adamant we must do something quickly. You look at the material. You look at their age and whether they're bringing pace, balance, desire to play. You got to trust your staff at times, so I sent David Gill down there to do the deal."
When asked at a press conference on Wednesday what were his best attributes, Bebe replied: "I am fast, I kick well and I score a lot of goals."
I think it was a horrible mistake to say that in public, and I also think it was a horrible mistake signing the player having seen him a few times now
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