It's become so fecking boring on here of late. Nothing but moans about LVG. Just been on the Reserve/youth thread much more positivity
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Is martial world class? No not yet. 3/4 of the squad wont have come to a peak by the time LVG initially planned to leave. He isnt here to buy ozil & sanchez only for mourinho to come the following season & sell them. He is building a youthful team that will peak altogether.
One of the best things about Bayern & Barca is how all the players peaked together. The same will happen to us.
He could - do as you say & buy a bunch of schweinsteigers & go out to win a title but that again would only be good for his 3 year tenure & we are back where we started & living in SAF's shadow.
The only way we will ever have an inch of success that arised from SAF or success seen by Barca & Bayern is to have a squad that is powerful & capable never mind the manager.
What people want is the special one; when we should be having a special team.
Oh right, he could have won the league but didn't want to
Can't wait til he's out of this club to stop the malarkey on here. At least some people are lenient on LvG out of there hatred of Moyes.
Why you asking if Martial is world class, only to answer your own question straight away?
Also you mentioned buying Schweinsteiger (also don't forget Falcao), which sort of puts to bed your theory of buying a team that will peak together.
And he isn't here to buy an Ozil/Sanchez player is he not? Ok I give you Muller/Bale/Neymar/Hummels/Sergoi Ramos. All these players LvG has chased and placed bids over. And while we are at it have you forgotten Di Maria?
Seriously the shit you come up with to back LvG.
I'm not taking any manager's side but to keep repeating this £250m is totally senseless. Either it's £132m net spend or £204m gross spend, you can't include AdM if he's not here anymore even if you don't take into account the other players sold, just take into account the loss on AdM.
We got everyone we could have got to get back up from Moyes dropping out of the CL. He couldn't give a shit about the philosophy first season & he said it himself; you will see his team this year. Not last.
Oh right, he could have won the league but didn't want to
Can't wait til he's out of this club to stop the malarkey on here. At least some people are lenient on LvG out of there hatred of Moyes.
It's not that he does not want to; there's not a manager who could win things with the likes of lingard, memphis, martial, mcnair CBJ, shaw etc. His priorities are clearly different.
The fact you think he would try not to win something on purpose clearly shows you have no idea about the manager & no matter how much you hate his philosophy or tactics - it's better to understand it first.
We have the youngest squad.
wtf are you on about? We placed bids for Ramos/Neymar/Bale/Muller in recent windows.
We do not.
Also it's funny you mention Moyes making us drop out of the CL when that is exactly what LvG will achieve for us this season. So back to square one then?
So? Because we bid for them does not mean we were any closer to signing them. First year out of the CL we went for superstars who would be willing to join us. Di maria having been chucked out from madrid & the rotational falcao loan.
Even to this day- the big name players are clearly players who can play in the same system & merely fill gaps that need to be filled eventually.
He has done it with kids though & let's not write results before it happens.
Also mourinho at his own club has done the same. Why would he do better here?
1000 times this. I want him gone but I hate when people use absolute shite like that. You can have your own opinions, not your own facts.
Is that your argument for his eventual failure? "He's done it with kids"
Yeah, you can never win a title with kids can you?
Pochettino have the youngest team in the league...
With us 0.9 age higher. Also noting that only Rooney, Young Valencia, Schweinsteiger, Fellaini, Romero & carrick are over 28. Only 2 were bought in while pleanty have been sold.
I don't care the youngest team is above us, so that's a bad argument.
Umm maybe because every tottemham player that is succesful ends up moving? Modric bale carrick etc. We still have a young squad with our older players bar rooney, fellaini & Schweinsteiger being back up's such as romero, young & valencia.
I still don't care and you are the one who used it, even though we are closer the 8th than the first.
Okay goodnight. Tottenham are the only team above us in the league with a younger squad isnt it?
No, there is Liverpool.
Oh right, he could have won the league but didn't want to
I agree, the LVG defenders are getting silly now.
The other favourite which is frequently brought up is that LVG develops the team so the next manager can win. This is complete nonsense. No manager on this planet is going to set up a team, so that the next manager can take all the plaudits. LVG wants to reap the benefits of his own work. All managers/players/people do.
I don't dislike LVG. I actually wanted him to do well, but he has proved that he is a 4th-5th place manager.
Unfortunately for him, we are looking for a first place manager, so he has to go.
Di Maria is gone, but I think his subsequent departure does show that we've spent an absolute shitload of money on players who have either flopped, moved on already, or haven't done much so far but still could. Again, I know we recouped a lot of the money on Di Maria which helps to lessen the impact of signing him, but selling on a player who you signed for a lot of money doesn't excuse the fact that said player was mostly a flop while here. It's fine on a one off, but it is a bit worrying when we consider the amount of money we've spent on players and the level of success we've had as a result of it. I'm struggling to name any of our signings over the past couple of years who have been unequivocal successes...because I don't think any of them have been. There's got to be a certain level of responsibility which comes to the manager, because he's either managing expensive signings poorly, isn't getting the best out of players, or hasn't replaced players who he didn't buy (ie Fellaini), that aren't really good enough yet continue to play.
Yes then the argument would be he wasted £80m worth of investment. Whenever a manager makes transfers that aren't successful it's used against them. Fergie got slaughtered for several of his transfers; when he made a mistake we all made it known and complained it's just that his successes on the pitch and his successful transfers offset his mistakes to make it an overall positive reign. And there's that word improved - that's on paper and not in our physical position so Van Gaal has to shoulder the blame for the club's current position. It's not solely his fault - the board and the players are also responsible but we can't act as if Van Gaal has done nothing wrong since his arrival.
I'm not wrong. The fact that his 'net spend' after selling players is lower doesn't particularly matter the fact remains that he has had £250m put into his team. In this argument where the money came from is irrelevant. Van Gaal has spent £250m and we're going to miss out on Champion's League in his second season.
The Edin Hazard of management.Oh right, he could have won the league but didn't want to
No you are wrong (why are you talking about net spend?) because Van Gaal has not spent £250m.
Ok ok...248?
I'll repeat myself from a page or two back...
We got 75 threads about LvG, and you guys discuss him in the Mourinho thread aswell?
Wake up admins
Anyone got new rumours about Jose?
My inner muppet needs to be fed.
We got 75 threads about LvG, and you guys discuss him in the Mourinho thread aswell?
Wake up admins
Anyone got new rumours about Jose?
My inner muppet needs to be fed.
I've bought about 20 cars in my life, no idea how much I've spent but let's say £150k in total.
My mate says "Blimey all that money you've spent and all those cars you've got, you could open a garage"
I reply "No mate, I've only got 2 cars and they're not worth £150k"
"Jesus, you're bloody useless at this garage management lark" he retorts
I sigh in despair
My mate says "Blimey all that money you've spent and all those cars you've got, you could open a garage"
I reply "No mate, I've only got 2 cars and they're not worth £150k"
"Jesus, you're bloody useless at this garage management lark" he retorts
I sigh in despair
It's not really the same.
Fact is van Gaal spent so much money on di Maria and never really seemed to know what to do with him, and, eventually, got rid off him, albeit at a small loss. Regardless of net spend, or money we got back from PSG, we wasted time and money on di Maria. We quite easily could have used that money on someone else who'd still be here, today. As for you last sentence, it fully applies to van Gaal. That was piss poor management from him.
"Oh, you spent 60m on a left sided central midfielder, who had his bestest season in his career in that position, and never played him there after September?"
"Instead, you chose to play him as left winger, right winger, striker etc."
"Jesus, you're bloody useless at this football management lark" he retorts.
Plus there is the fact that he's spent all of that within an 18 month period, not 'in his life'. You'd therefore expect the team to reflect that right now.
I'm not really talking about his management skills but those that keep on harping on about £250m.
As for AdM , he's playing more in a front 3 with PSG and seems to be flourishing which is where he would fit perfectly now, Martial Rooney & AdM with Mata behind would suit me fine
Whether it's Adm's attitude or LvG's man-mismanagement or other factors we'll probably never know but a regrettable outcome
Has this happened yet? No muppets tracking the whereabouts of private plane charters?
We've had all the muppetry fanaticism bored out of us by Louis' football.
He's in London, so we should track the private helicopters instead.
The clearest indication that LvG will be on his bike over the summer is the fact we didn't buy in the January window (despite very obviously needing to).
We're clearly not allowing him to spend/plan in order to hold back funds for a new manager.
We're clearly not allowing him to spend/plan in order to hold back funds for a new manager.
We didn't buy anyone last January either.
Louis said it's not happening. If Louis says it's not happening, it's not happening. That's what Louis said.
Great point mate. Except we're 6 points outside the CL places and in desperate need of another striker...
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