If I remember correctly, United didn't inform Moyes when they were speaking with Van Gaal.
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is @Dr. Funkenstein related to LVG or something?
Well I think it is is their business in fairness
You know what I meant, the clubs don't have to share their plans with the managers, particularly when the manager isn't part of them.
They didn't tell O'Farrell when they were talking to Docherty. They just let him sit in the stands at Palace and watch the drama unfold.
The concept of rebuilds requiring years and years of hard labour is another example of people drawing broad and erroneous conclusions from the particular circumstances of the Fergie era. Along with the idea a struggling manager always deserves time and longevity being a quality in its own right.
Not exactly on topic, but yeah - I've never understood that part of Moyes' lamentation. He must have known what sort of contract he was on, surely. And what happened clearly indicates there was a clause which was triggered: So, how was it a surprise to Moyes?
Him being sore about us not telling him in a proper fashion, that's understandable. But actually surprised that he was fired after 4th was gone? Makes no sense.
I reckon Truus signed up here under at least half a dozen aliases after Louis was appointed.
Bah, he was always ready with quick n' sneaky asides, like:
"They told me the fixture list was chosen at random..."
"They told me that United stand by their managers..."
"They told me that Scottish was the same as Spanish..."
"They told me to clear my desk and f*ck off rapid..."
Etcetera etcetera.
Fair enough and I can agree with your point there about giving a manager time, one question though, would you be happy to give LVG anotrher 250 mill to spend in the summer?#
I too was pro-louis but cannot see any logical progression this season from last, I also feel we need to get our head out the sand re: Longevity on managers. When Fergie was here the landscape was vastly different to now, I think you can build a team and squad far quicker with the money available and stream of talent from overseas.
That's true. It was always "they" with Ol' Dave. Wonder who "they" actually were? Perhaps it was all some sort of swindle - the three lads who posed as legal reps during the Ander fiasco...they could've easily convinced Moyes they were Glazer reps too. Could've been "they" who tricked him into buying all them Ipads (and that was his ultimate downfall).
I've heard that they was some talks too with Alex Ferguson while Big Ron was manager.
You see, this is the United way.
Not this magical £250m again. LvG suggest the players, he isn't responsible for price. Likewise, he isn't to blame of players want to leave for first team football when they aren't first choice. People are so blindly bias towards LvG they use every last thing to attack him with. Woodward, the board and the players should all take equal blame in this seasons poor performances and position.
If you all get your wish and the recently sacked Jose gets the United job, I wonder how many games you give him before making 'Jose out' threads?
Maybe not as many as the 50 plus Van Gaal got of boring us before people became fed up of his shite football and excuses.
I'd defiantly give him more money and I think the club will do. At the start of the season the Caf in general seemed happy with the players the club had brought in. Granted, we all thought we were short up front but I guess some players just weren't available. Some of those players just haven't produced but it's not odd for a player to have a poor first season.
Agreed, there has been little progress and I'd put that down to squad size (LvG and the board should have addressed this), as we could easily be in contention in the league had we not had an injury riddle December.
He will rebuild a better United, for that I'm sure, but as we've seen this season it's going to be tough. League position aside I do honestly think we are in a better place squad wise than last season, the youth coming through has been brilliant. If we start getting a tune out of Depay and Schneiderling then we could be onto something. This season is far from over.
I understand why many want him gone but he is still here and I think the club are buying into his rebuild.
It doesn't matter if Van Gaal was 'at fault' for spending £250m it's the fact that he's handled £250m worth of investments and come off even worse. Absolving him of the fee and ignoring the fact that he is the one using the fee's outcome is a bit ridiculous.
Except that not a word of that is correct.
So if we had bought all those players for a more realistic £80m, would you still be using it against him? I think he brought in 5 players that improved our squad regardless of cost. The fee has nothing to do with him and he shouldn't be judged on it.
Which part isnt correct? We are doing worse than last season.
The amount of money, and the idea that we're worse off now than before he took over.
You know, the two things that poster said.
Does the appalling football, this deep into his reign not slightly bother you at all? Or the leaving us criminally short up front? 2 strikers, for a whole season?! We haven't seen Martial's inevitable burn out yet, but we have seen half a season of woefulness from Wayne.
And this after lashing a sh!Tload of cash out, and we've gone backwards from last season, and very likely will finish lower, despite Chelsea dropping out of the mix completely,
Rebuild? He'll have an absolute max of one year left in the summer, everyone knows it, why would any top player come here on those terms?
I think it's very much a pray to blag top 4/win the Europa, see if we can do something in the FA cup, and then thank him very much, mutually end things, so he can end on a decent note, and get the boy Mourinho in.
Best case, is we've tipped him off now, and he's ready making notes and plans on transfers, worst case, we piss about and do it late, meaning next season is at very best an "ease yourself in" one where we scuffle for top 4 at best
The amount is incorrect, the net spending is around 120m, but we are worse than before he took over, he isn't the only one responsible for that though.
Bullshit. We finished 7th the season before he took over. You could argue the fact that we've not got better to the degree we should have under him, but arguing that we've got worse is plain wrong. Form of late October to early Jan not-withstanding.
If you use the 7th position I will use the number of points after 25 games, 41pts under Moyes and 41pts under LVG, we are worse because this time no CL.
I wonder why Skysports never reported talks, and why we have heard very little about this since BBC's story. I'd have thought it would be quite big news.
It will be quite interesting to see how it develops over the coming months leading to May though.
It will be quite interesting to see how it develops over the coming months leading to May though.
The best you can do to argue that we've got worse is a points total thats the same?
Okay I'm wrong, we have the same amount of points with 120m added on the team, we are out of the CL and we are dull.
LVG bashing in a Mourinho thread?
Do you guys honestly have nothing better to do than huff and rant about LVG all day long?
Surely baking a cake or watering your herb garden would be more productive?
Do you guys honestly have nothing better to do than huff and rant about LVG all day long?
Surely baking a cake or watering your herb garden would be more productive?
No we are not, at best we are as bad.
The recent results have been, of course, but I don't think thats a reflection of the teams talents.
Put it this way, if I was a new manager coming in I'd rather be taking over from Van Gaal than Moyes, and its not even close.
Well, the problem is that you have no argument to back it up. Because LVG's team is as bad in the league this season as Moyes's team but is already out of the CL whereas Moyes reached the 1/4 finals in the CL. Is it that difficult to grasp the difference?
If the other teams in the league were still operating at the level Moyes faced we'd probably be worse than 7th.
Van gaal has spent 250 million and made the team younger. You lot are comparing a bunch of kids to proffesionals at the peak/ overly experienced players.
That is nuts.
That is nuts.
Look we are worse and while the money has been used on decent players, the team built by LVG is not good. Now you are right the roster is better but with 120m invested in it you would hope that it's the case and like I said earlier LVG isn't the only responsible for that, our problems are due to the choices we made before he joined.
Moyes started off fine, which I thought everyone was aware of, then the wheels completely fell off. Getting out of the Champions League group is one thing, but hey, maybe Van Gaal would have managed that last season, too, if Moyes had done well enough to qualify for it. And lets be honest, Moyes Champions League campaign was hardly vintage, a fluky own goal vs Sociedad and one of the worst teams we've faced in the tournament in Leverkusen was enough to win that group and then we got humped by Olympiakos before getting knocked out by the only half-decent side we played. Van Gaal started off shit, but actually managed to A) qualify for the champions league, unlike David Moyes, and B) not get sacked after a season. So we're already in uncharted waters in comparison to David bloody Moyes.
Whilst absolutely no one should be happy with how this season has panned out, and Van Gaal has been incredibly lucky to still be here I, as I said above, do not think the results that we have been getting are a fair reflection of the actual ability of the team and think we're far better placed, albeit with additions still needed, to return to where we think we should be as a club now than we were under David Moyes.
What does that even mean? 'We are worse... we are better'
Lets not kid ourselves either, £120m net over 2 seasons is not a great deal of money in this market. Half of thats been spent on a 19 year old (or should we not have bought Martial to pad the numbers?) and in a world where players like De Bruyne, Raheem Sterling cost over £50m (and we've been quoted similar numbers for some one completely unproven like Renato Sanches) we're talking about an outlay over 2 seasons that equates to somewhere between 2-3 players of the standard that people think we should be aiming for.
Virtually no one would have batted an eyelid if Ferguson had spent £60-70m in one window at pretty much any point of his time in charge. You'd be lucky to get the quality of player now for double that than you would have back then.
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So what you are saying is, for the 250m he has spent, he hasn't managed to buy 1 world class player? That is nuts.
There are 75 threads about LvG, and you start to discuss him in a Mourinho thread.
Honestly all threads are the same after page 2.
Honestly all threads are the same after page 2.
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