BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Ok, we'll see.
Over the top drama queen.
You will see
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Not heard anything about Jose on Key 103 tonight but I remain hopeful.
Have done. Nothing's happened since the "Everton approach". Unlikely anything will happen until after the FA Cup game.
Is he really? Assuming we don't beat Bournemouth we will be pretty close to mid table. We've scored less goals than relegation threatened Sunderland and only two more than Newcastle who now just whipped Spurs 5-1. We have among the fewest chances created, and our manager doesn't seem the least bit fazed, but blames his job security on ex players and pundits.
You really think we can tolerate another year of this while other clubs are taking steps to improve? You're suggesting he's being dramatic that there's the possibility we turn down one of the most decorated managers for this? I don't think so.
I think it's this kind of attitude that results in so much damage. Erebus is exactly right. It's a slippery slope, and decades of hard work can be undone very, very quickly. Wind the clock back twenty years or so - do you honestly think Liverpool thought they would slump and stagnate the way they did? It's an unforgiving game and league, with very small margins for error. The days of simply outspending everyone have been over for a long time. Sir Alex spent his fair share, but it was his experience and guile that won us titles in his later years. Just look at the Managers that our competitors have, or are about to bring in. It's an impressive list. Look at the amount of money teams have to spend. It's formidable. We've been on a very clear downward trajectory for three seasons now. The quality and depth of our team has declined. The quality of the team's play has declined. The results have declined. The trophy count has stalled. Fans' satisfaction is, I would suggest, at an all time low. If the club doesn't curb the trend and start running the football side of things at an elite level, we'll be out in the wilderness for a long time. The time to act is now. I'm holding out hope that the owners recognize this and will implement some positive changes very soon.
Spot on RRCE
Agreed. Allowing Vangle to stay on would basically be accepting mediocrity - just what Vangle has been trying to do with the lowering of expectations.
I think its this type of over the type drama queen madness that results in utter bollocks being spouted all over the place. 7th then 4th then 5th so no clear downward trajectory there. Also in line to win the FA cup for the first time in over a decade. We had a massive drop to 7th when Moyes took over. Wrong manager taking over when not only we lost the greatest manager ever but we lost a long serving Executive in Gill. Two big blows on top of the wrong manager being appointed. LVG came in, we finished 4th and he partially fixed some of the problems that Moyes created. This season we will be goal difference away from being 4th again if we beat Bournemouth. Thats not a clear downward trajectory. Our squad has been thinned out and LVG has made the mistake of simply relying on the youth system to cover positions. The positive out of that has been a couple of young players coming through who look to have big futures. A couple of key signings over the summer and we will have a very good squad. The declining squad theme is an over blown out of context fear mongering angle to chase.
I want LVG gone, check back in the "sick of this boring bullshit" thread and you will see me there back on late September moaning about the football. I hate how we play, we are tedious and boring to watch.
Here is the reality, we are now too huge a club to do what Liverpool did or what we went through after Busby. We are looking to expand OT to close to 90,000. Anfield has hardly increased its capacity. The revenue streams are not going away. We will not despite Erubus over the top assertion end up as a mid table club. Thats just over the top bollocks.
Some of you need to get a grip. We are not facing the apocalypse if Mourinho doesnt end up here. I said this when Fergie first retired and I cant believe people cant work this out. We were always going to have a period of struggle and the days of finishing in the top 2 of the EPL (18 out of 23 seasons) are over, that wont ever happen again. We will win the title again, we will win cups again, we are not headed for the Apocalypse or becoming like Liverpool.
Get a fecking grip and stop with the over the top drama queen bollocks.
Thumbs up.
The argument of being too big to fail has been used before, on so many occasions and by so many companies and sports teams. Many of them have learnt the hard way that this is simply not true. There is a closing of the financial gap across the League, and sponsors only spend big when you have success. Indeed the warning signs are there already - the contract negotiated by Adidas means lose out on Europe next year and lose a significant amount of cash . No-one, ever, is too big to fail.
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When was the last time Real Madrid spent a significant amount of time as a mid table club?
And before you use the tired LA Liga is a 2 team league argument, go have a look at RM's final placings in the Champions League since 2000 and also before 2000
Perspective and reality.
We are still in the top 2-3 clubs in terms of revenue. We are expanding OT. Adidas doesnt equate to all our income. Others would happily take up the reigns if Adidas were to bugger off because of the simple reason we have been built into a club that is much more massive than Liverpool ever was and those massive revenue streams mean we will never ever become a mid table club as you were claiming. We had a 7th, we might have another season in the future where we drop that low again but it wont be a consistent situation and we will win the EPL again, we will win trophies again.
My argument is against the over the top drama queen fear mongering.
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AC Milan who won the CL in 2007 finished 8th, 10th and 7th this last three seasons. They still have the most expensive ticket in Europe and play in an 80,000 capacity stadium(that they share). Two of the top ten teams in England in stadium capacity are both going down this season(Newcastle, Villa). Plus just look at the current landscape in England. City have unlimited funds and have brought in Pep, Chelsea still have unlimited funds, Arsenal is still Arsenal, Liverpool have improved under Klopp and could have CL football next season, Tottenham have a young talented squad with CL Football, Leicester just won the title and West Ham have a new stadium. Reaching the top once again will not be easy task.
Never said it would be easy. Also did mention I expect a period of difficulty, think its going to be a couple more years yet. But its not the Apocalypse.
BTW AC Milan have less than half our revenue. They sit down at 12th on this list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes'_list_of_the_most_valuable_football_clubs
Great post.
Too huge a club to do a "Liverpool?" I'd agree with most of what you said but just because we can boast a possible 90,000 stadium one day doesn't mean we're automatically made for success. Yes we'll still get the TV revenue but it means feck all if we aren't using the money wisely and bringing in the right players/managers.
I wish I could be as calm as you about our current affairs but I don't blame others for panicking after watching this dross for the past 3 seasons. United need a change of manager because no way are we going to push forward with crazy Louis...or should I say deluded Louis?
Completely disagree. You keep making shit decisions at the top like we are doing and you will soon find yourself in a position which is extremely hard to come back from.. big stadium or not.
Even at our best we never really attracted the biggest names in football its just we were run so soundly it allowed us to compete with the best in Europe. We are very far away from that at the moment and another season out of Europe and another poor appointment after LVG and you can officially label United as a fallen giant in need of massive repairs.
We are a joke at the moment and that is not where United want to be seen as by future world class players.
If the people at the top have that attitude then we will be fecked. While it might be a bit over the top, it's a bit arrogant to suggest that we're simply too big to drop away. One of the main reasons we are where we are now was complacency that there wouldn't be such a big transition post Ferguson, and it's pretty dangerous to think we're never going to drop off. I agree that United won't become a mid table team, but I do think we're at risk of ending up with expectations like Arsenal and just happy to make up numbers in Europe and be content with top 4 and that is simply wrong.
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IMO, this is the type of attitude that has plagued the club since Fergie's retirement.
"Too big to fail." "It's okay to have a period of struggle." "We won't become like Liverpool."
2 out of 3 seasons without appearing in the CL and the one season we did, we got knocked out in the group stages. If someone told you that would happen after Fergie's retirement, would you believe it?
If someone told you that Sunderland who barely escaped relegation would score more goals than us in a Prem season, would you believe it? The club hasn't challenged for the title in 3 seasons and never came close. If the wrong decisions are made, a club can easily fall from the top and struggle to get back up.
It's easier to fall than to get back up.
Absolutely this.
2013-2014: 64 points; Goals 64
2014-2015: 70 points; Goals 62
2015-2016: 63 points; Goals 46
this is stagnant at best. IMO it's a decline since we've spent over 200 million pounds in the market. the team doesn't look remotely capable to challenging for any major trophy.
A remarkable lack of spelling errors for someone typing with their head buried in the sand!
Listen, kidding aside, I do think you underestimate how easy it is for the fortunes of a franchise to change. It can happen fast, and time passes quickly. I agree that moving on from Sir Alex was always going to be difficult, particularly with Gill leaving at the same time. That said, it's been an undeniable failure. We're absolutely no further ahead than when Moyes took over. No problems have been solved. The goal differential you mention, by the way, is a massive one. We're way closer to mid table quality than we are to a championship contender level. For me, the single biggest reason for that is the Manager. No club us so "huge" to overcome constant mismanagement. I don't believe that United are past the point of no return by any means, but there are plenty of red flags. I would prefer not to ignore them. It's about more than boring football. The time to start correcting things is now.
Im not arguing that there arent red flags. There are clear problems and LVG is not the answer. However what i am arguing against is the overblown overhyped sensationalist scenarios some are painting. its cringeworthy.
Its challenging for a major trophy this weekend.
yes actually I could believe it as its what I expected and said so when he retired. I dont understand how anyone couldnt see the current situation being a possibility when he retired. People have got so used to the level of success he brought that they have failed to think of what is/was going to happen when he quit. His retirement was huge on a number of levels. Did some in here think the train would just keep rolling along as it had been?. that would be incredibly naive if anyone did.
That seems like a distinction without a difference. If there are clear problems and steps aren't taken to address them very soon, then there's only one way things will go. Downhill. It's not fear mongering, it's a certainty.
I grew up and live in a city where the biggest professional sports team in town was absolutely dominant in the 1980s. They were an offensive powerhouse that, in many ways, changed the game. Growing up, it seemed like we had a divine right to win championships. Through mismanagement and poor coaching, we haven't won a title since 1990, and haven't made the playoffs for a decade. It's a different sport in a different country, so the comparison isn't perfect, but I've witnessed first hand how it can happen. A team like United is not immune from the effects of being poorly run (and, particularly, poorly coached) It's much better to be cognizant of the potential reality, as unpleasant as it may be, and respond appropriately.
At the end of the day, I think it's pretty clear we want the same thing. Let's hope we see some positive changes soon!
Well a really good example of an overblown comment is the one where someone is claiming we dont look remotely close to challenging for a major title, despite the fact we are this weekend. Drama queens
Wigan have won an FA Cup recently. Aston Villa and Hull City have recently been in the finals. We are about to play a Crystal Palace team in the final that has been almost as poor as Aston Villa since the start of the calendar year. Winning the FA Cup is great but, it does mean we are in a great position.
The FA cup is barely a major trophy anymore. It's an afterthought.
I've made no comment about the FA Cup. I have commented about our prospects of winning the league. You clearly hold the FA Cup in high esteem. I'd be very pleased to win it, but it's not at all comparable to a league title (let alone a Champions League title, which is what I thought a huge club should be aspiring toward). Quite frankly, I find it quite "dramatic" to interpret a spot in this year's FA Cup final as an indication that we're currently a club capable of competing for major titles. Perhaps it's just a matter of interpretation, or perhaps Van Gaal is correct and my expectations are simply too high.
Also, I think we're getting too far astray from the topic at hand. Let's end this sidebar and let this thread get back on track.
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Your expectations aren't too high.
I think it's just nonsense that some fans think because we were so succesful for so long,we almost deserve another lull period. We aren't were we are because of some terrible bout of fate,it's because on consistent bad decision making. It would be just stupid to bury our heads in the sand, we need to take stock of what we are doing wrong and try to fix it . And if need be,hold those responsible accountable.
Bollocks.
Mourinho said he would only come if we had CL football next season. This is why it was not announced.
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