BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

[De Selby]

Personally I'm not too bothered whether it's Mourinho (who, I agree, is a massive fecking bell, whatever way you look at it) or not, but I hope it's not LVG. He's been a failure and kidding ourselves that it's going to get better would be daft. Allowing the club to just drift under a guy who clearly isn't fit to carry out the job doesn't make sense to me. Particularly if we're doing so because we're frightened of the optics that go with sacking a manager.

Being a bit of an arse at times shouldn't preclude someone from the manager's job obviously. Ferguson was a Class A bell-end at times. However, he never acted like a pathetic spoiled child by poking another coach in the eye or that business with the Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho's a fine coach, but he's fuc*ing toxic at times and he'd drag the club's name through the mud. I'd leave him well alone.

As for drifting: under Moyes I felt we were. That was a moribund squad in desperate need of an overhaul. Van Gaal has had to do that. But it takes time. Woodward gave him 3 years, so allow him to fulfill his contract then see where we are.

 

[De Selby]

Personally I'm not too bothered whether it's Mourinho (who, I agree, is a massive fecking bell, whatever way you look at it) or not, but I hope it's not LVG. He's been a failure and kidding ourselves that it's going to get better would be daft. Allowing the club to just drift under a guy who clearly isn't fit to carry out the job doesn't make sense to me. Particularly if we're doing so because we're frightened of the optics that go with sacking a manager.

Being a bit of an arse at times shouldn't preclude someone from the manager's job obviously. Ferguson was a Class A bell-end at times. However, he never acted like a pathetic spoiled child by poking another coach in the eye or that business with the Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho's a fine coach, but he's fuc*ing toxic at times and he'd drag the club's name through the mud. I'd leave him well alone.

As for drifting: under Moyes I felt we were. That was a moribund squad in desperate need of an overhaul. Van Gaal has had to do that. But it takes time. Woodward gave him 3 years, so allow him to fulfill his contract then see where we are.

 

[De Selby]

I gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

 

[Adebesi]

If we really did decide not to go with him, could we be seriously looking at Mourinho at Everton? After the comments he made about Guardiola going to Bayern - that it was a cop out because the league is not as competitive as in Spain, Italy and England - I wonder how appealing the PSG job would really be to him. If he was promised funds at Everton, maybe that would be the best of the available options.

 

[AltiUn]

Jose Mourinho refuses to wait another year for Manchester United as club staff expect Louis van Gaal to STAY this summer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3575247/Jose-Mourinho-refuses-wait-year-Manchester-United-club-staff-expect-Louis-van-Gaal-STAY-summer.html

In case anyone is worried about this Simon Jones is proven to know very little. I think he had the lowest accuracy for transfers last summer of all the major (and some minor) journalists.

 

[Rednotdead]

In case anyone is worried about this Simon Jones is proven to know very little. I think he had the lowest accuracy for transfers last summer of all the major (and some minor) journalists.

Not having it! This is meltdown fodder of the first order!!

 

[devilish]

Being a bit of an arse at times shouldn't preclude someone from the manager's job obviously. Ferguson was a Class A bell-end at times. However, he never acted like a pathetic spoiled child by poking another coach in the eye or that business with the Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho's a fine coach, but he's fuc*ing toxic at times and he'd drag the club's name through the mud. I'd leave him well alone.

As for drifting: under Moyes I felt we were. That was a moribund squad in desperate need of an overhaul. Van Gaal has had to do that. But it takes time. Woodward gave him 3 years, so allow him to fulfill his contract then see where we are.

As opposed to LVG who seems so composed and dignified.

 

[SteveJ]

Mail: 'José Mourinho flaunts perfect pins and pert posterior as he opens house window'

 

[Cassidy]

So who do they think he is going to manage then? Everton?

 

[De Selby]

As opposed to LVG who seems so composed and dignified.

He's actually been quite dignified for the most part.

 

[Maradona10]

Queue hysteria, however, its a complete nothing article. Of course they expect him to stay - they haven't heard anything from the club and he's got another year on his contract.

The article first line says, tthey expect him to stay but he might go if the end to season is bad. Then it rumbles upon how he might stay or leave.Without giving one peice of info. I think the author just felt, oh the sun have an exclusive, let me publish something like that so we are not left behind.

 

[Esquire]

Queue hysteria, however, its a complete nothing article. Of course they expect him to stay - they haven't heard anything from the club and he's got another year on his contract.

But I honestly don't put it past the clearly inept management with its warped thinking to keep VG for another year. Obviously we don't know all the internal thinking but at the same time there is still too much arrogance and inane fighting talk to VG to conclude Mou is coming. I used to be more convinced that Mou was but not so sure anymore. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[peridigm]

Everyone should relax. The amount of BS that has been slung on this in the past month has reached epic proportions. If any part of what is reported by the journalists and so called ITK's were true there would be a lot more consistency in the reports. Instead, we're seeing reports that are completely at opposite ends of the spectrum and now United asks Jose to wait until 2017? Give me a fecking break!

 

[SirAF]

Everyone should relax. The amount of BS that has been slung on this in the past month has reached epic proportions. If any part of what is reported by the journalists and so called ITK's were true there would be a lot more consistency in the reports. Instead, we're seeing reports that are completely at opposite ends of the spectrum and now United asks Jose to wait until 2017? Give me a fecking break!

It's been an emotional few days that's for sure

 

[SteveJ]

*cries*

‘Why Leicester FC’s Claudio Ranieri is a better manager than Jose Mourinho, according to SCIENCE,’ reads the headline on the MailOnline website. As ever, if a word is capitalised, ensure you shout it when reading it aloud.

So, what is the SCIENCE behind drawing such a conclusion? Two psychologists have given Ryan O’Hare all of the answers. He is a lucky boy.

Professor Stephen Reicher of the University of St Andrews tells us: ‘Ultimately, Claudio Ranieri’s redemption follows a trajectory from ‘I’ to ‘we’. From his first day as Leicester manager he was keen to make it clear that it was not he who was special, but the team and league that he had come to serve.’

O’Hare adds that ‘this attitude marks a stark departure from imposing an iron-will on teams, an approach favoured by many managers including former Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho, who was labelled ‘the Special One’.

And there you have it: SCIENCE has concluded that Claudio Ranieri ‘is a better manager’ than Jose Mourinho. SCIENCE unfortunately does not legislate for Ranieri’s one Premier League, one Super Cup, one Copa del Rey and one Coppa Italia among ten career trophies, nor Mourinho’s three Premier Leagues, two Serie As, one La Liga and two Champions League titles among 22 career trophies. But then Ranieri says ‘we’ and not ‘I’ in his press conferences.

(F365)

 

[Adebesi]

Everyone should relax. The amount of BS that has been slung on this in the past month has reached epic proportions. If any part of what is reported by the journalists and so called ITK's were true there would be a lot more consistency in the reports. Instead, we're seeing reports that are completely at opposite ends of the spectrum and now United asks Jose to wait until 2017? Give me a fecking break!

Its true. It reminds me of an article I read years and years ago about how the media was milking the public's fascination at the time with the Jennifer - Brad - Angelina love triangle. I cant remember exactly who it was but it was someone who had been a features editor at Heat or Hello! or some such magazine. They said they would sit in their editorial meeting and say, right, so last week we said Brad was getting back with Jen. So this week we should say no, he loves Angelina after all. There was no basis in fact at all, it was a media feeding frenzy, driven by insane public interest that transcended believability. Everyone knew the whole thing was fiction, nobody gave a shit, they just bought into it anyway. (I say this as someone who couldnt care less, then or now, about this story, but was fascinated by other people's interest in it, in terms of what it said about the modern media.)

This is similar I think. There is a vacuum of actual information. But there is a great deal of interest. The law of physics tells us that journalists abhor a vacuum. SO they just print shit, people go mad, clicks and sales spike, and there is every incentive for them to keep doing it, and declining incentive to worry about boring things like facts, because the fact is they havent got a clue, and that doesnt sell.

 

[Cheesy]

Everyone should relax. The amount of BS that has been slung on this in the past month has reached epic proportions. If any part of what is reported by the journalists and so called ITK's were true there would be a lot more consistency in the reports. Instead, we're seeing reports that are completely at opposite ends of the spectrum and now United asks Jose to wait until 2017? Give me a fecking break!

It's admittedly quite understandable to see people worried though when, if we were definitively planning on getting rid of LVG, he'd have been gone by December.

 

[sunama]

... and now United asks Jose to wait until 2017?

I don't think even MUFC would be so inept, so as to ask an elite level manager with job offers from various clubs, to wait 1 year, while they let LVG make another attempt to finish in 4th place.
And if they do want to keep LVG for another year, then Giggs will be the obvious choice (this was originally the plan - for Giggs to replace LVG after LVG retires).

 

[sunama]

It's admittedly quite understandable to see people worried though when, if we were definitively planning on getting rid of LVG, he'd have been gone by December.

I beleive our policy is to hang on to the manager until the season is completely wrecked. Then "the sack" becomes an option.
By that time though, I don't think there was any point in bringing in Jose, for the last few games, especially when LVG has got us to the final of the FA Cup.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Or the Sun are making it up....

Mendes' bitch boy, Duncan Castle posted a similar article.

 

[Brophs]

Being a bit of an arse at times shouldn't preclude someone from the manager's job obviously. Ferguson was a Class A bell-end at times. However, he never acted like a pathetic spoiled child by poking another coach in the eye or that business with the Eva Carneiro.

Mourinho's a fine coach, but he's fuc*ing toxic at times and he'd drag the club's name through the mud. I'd leave him well alone.

As for drifting: under Moyes I felt we were. That was a moribund squad in desperate need of an overhaul. Van Gaal has had to do that. But it takes time. Woodward gave him 3 years, so allow him to fulfill his contract then see where we are.

I don't agree with that, I have to say. The squad is worse than it was 3 years ago. There are some talented young players, but also a lot of really expensive, middling footballers who shouldn't be near a top club (which we aspire to be). IMO, creating an arbitrary cut off point of three years and then becoming fixated on it to the exclusion of all logical evidence isn't what we should be doing. LVG said in his first summer that it'd take 3 months to see results. Then it became the following season. Then we were talking about top four challenges and now we're into the era of 'transition'. The football is poor, we're wasting huge money in the market at a time when our financial strength compared to other clubs is becoming less relevant and the manager's methods thus far have shown no sign of being able to compete with our rivals.

I'm all for loyalty, but it can't be to the extent where you're happily rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic as it sinks.

 

[Cassidy]

Mendes' bitch boy, Duncan Castle posted a similar article.

The ultimate United troll, he also said Pellegrini was joining Chelsea

 

[.Rossi]

McDonald's should bring out a burger in his honour if he gets the gig.

The Big Mou.

 

[Spoony]

I don't agree with that, I have to say. The squad is worse than it was 3 years ago. There are some talented young players, but also a lot of really expensive, middling footballers who shouldn't be near a top club (which we aspire to be). IMO, creating an arbitrary cut off point of three years and then becoming fixated on it to the exclusion of all logical evidence isn't what we should be doing. LVG said in his first summer that it'd take 3 months to see results. Then it became the following season. Then we were talking about top four challenges and now we're into the era of 'transition'. The football is poor, we're wasting huge money in the market at a time when our financial strength compared to other clubs is becoming less relevant and the manager's methods thus far have shown no sign of being able to compete with our rivals.

I'm all for loyalty, but it can't be to the extent where you're happily rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic as it sinks.

Well said.

 

[Cheesy]

I don't agree with that, I have to say. The squad is worse than it was 3 years ago. There are some talented young players, but also a lot of really expensive, middling footballers who shouldn't be near a top club (which we aspire to be). IMO, creating an arbitrary cut off point of three years and then becoming fixated on it to the exclusion of all logical evidence isn't what we should be doing. LVG said in his first summer that it'd take 3 months to see results. Then it became the following season. Then we were talking about top four challenges and now we're into the era of 'transition'. The football is poor, we're wasting huge money in the market at a time when our financial strength compared to other clubs is becoming less relevant and the manager's methods thus far have shown no sign of being able to compete with our rivals.

I'm all for loyalty, but it can't be to the extent where you're happily rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic as it sinks.

Yeah, the general quality of the squad is worrying. We've got a concerning combination of players who used to be great (Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Carrick perhaps even if he wasn't on their level), players who have improved/will be great (Martial, Shaw, Smalling), players with potential (Memphis, Schneiderlin), and a bundle of squad players, but I'd argue that De Gea is our only player right now who could lay a claim to being among the top 5 in his best position in the world. You could probably go to top 10 or beyond, actually, because I can't think of one other player in our team who would be regarded as one of the best around in their role.

 

[Adebesi]

I'm all for loyalty, but it can't be to the extent where you're happily rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic as it sinks.

Beautifully put.

 

[Brophs]

Yeah, the general quality of the squad is worrying. We've got a concerning combination of players who used to be great (Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Carrick perhaps even if he wasn't on their level), players who have improved/will be great (Martial, Shaw, Smalling), players with potential (Memphis, Schneiderlin), and a bundle of squad players, but I'd argue that De Gea is our only player right now who could lay a claim to being among the top 5 in his best position in the world. You could probably go to top 10 or beyond, actually, because I can't think of one other player in our team who would be regarded as one of the best around in their role.

Absolutely. In truth I think there's also the issue there of how to get the really top players to come and play in England, but broadly speaking, I agree. Personally - ignoring finding a buyer etc. and I admit this season has probably left me jaded - I'd get rid of:

Valdes; Romero; Jones; Rojo; Schweinsteiger; Fellaini; Young; Valencia and, probably, Rooney

I think the likes of Darmian; Depay; Herrera; Schneiderlin; Januzaj and Mata (subject to Mourinho arriving, obviously) should get time, but will have to seriously up their performances to be here in the next 18-24 months.

It doesn't leave a massive amount, really.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Yes.

You, Sad Chris and Sunny Jim would make a great trio.

 

[devilish]

He's actually been quite dignified for the most part.

Unless he lowers his pants, falls on the pitch or call people fat men. Seriously guys how much of this crap football are you keen to watch until you say enough is enough?

 

[Mr Pigeon]

*cries*

Psychology is SCIENCE in the same way that hitting a dead cat against a bin lid is drumming. No, I don't do either.

 

[Adebesi]

Absolutely. In truth I think there's also the issue there of how to get the really top players to come and play in England, but broadly speaking, I agree. Personally - ignoring finding a buyer etc. and I admit this season has probably left me jaded - I'd get rid of:

Valdes; Romero; Jones; Rojo; Schweinsteiger; Fellaini; Young; Valencia and, probably, Rooney

I think the likes of Darmian; Depay; Herrera; Schneiderlin; Januzaj and Mata (subject to Mourinho arriving, obviously) should get time, but will have to seriously up their performances to be here in the next 18-24 months.

It doesn't leave a massive amount, really.

Agree again. The ones in bold are the ones Im confident will be able to up their games. The others I would give a chance to, but honestly I dont think they will thrive. I cant believe how things have panned out with Mata in particular.

Id be tempted to keep Valencia and maybe Young around tho around because I think Valencia in particular is a good squad player and as far as I can see he doesnt rock the boat. The same with Young to a lesser extent. They are both versatile and can do a job when needed.

 

[SteveJ]

Psychology is SCIENCE in the same way that hitting a dead cat against a bin lid is drumming. No, I don't do either.

Even Hannibal Lecter thought that psychology was a pile of poop, chief. And you can't ask for a more sober opinion than Hannibal the Cannibal's.

 

[Adam-Utd]

If Woodward really does allow LVG to continue, he should be sacked for negligence IMO.

Maybe LVG is so good at believing his own excuses that woodward is believing them too. I hate the way he talks about us "lowering our expectations", and that 4th is a good result for us.

 

[m1y2]

Ludicrous post, Pochettino has just agreed a new long term contract with Spurs. You are completely deluded if you think he will be here for the beginning of the 2017 season. Why would he leave Spurs at the moment, they have a fantastic young squad, champions league football and there future is looking bright. Man United face possibly the biggest decision in recent years. Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City will drastically improve either through a new manager or recruitment. We are simply going to be left behind and fall further if we continue with Van Gaal, the league is going to get harder next year and look where we are now. If you were a young attacking footballer would you want to play under Van Gaal, especially with no champions league(which is very likely now).

You say too many pathetic fans on internet forums, thinking he would bring success to the team in big transition. That's a pessimistic view, we have a core of good players in the squad. De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Schneiderlin, Martial and Rashford. We also have promising players in CBJ, Mensah and Darmian. Mourihno could attract 4 top players to the club easy in the summer without Champions league football. Mourihno is a winner and we need to get back to competing again. We are not going going to it under Van Gaal for another year. You can go about Mourihno being a twat, Chelsea legend and leaving them 13th all you want but he's a winner. He knows how to win this league, he's won Champions leagues and trebles with our clubs. It's not desperation from fans, they are sick of watching shit football and getting turned over by dirt like Norwich at Old Trafford. They want change and passion on the pitch and Mourihno will given them that. He is safest option, by the looks of it the only option at the moment.

first of all can you read? I said the season after the next one. Pochettino will most likely stay next season at Spurs but then who knows..
second of all we have some good young players and what is Mourinho's record with young players, you can google it so you have a clue, his playstyle is more or less built on discipline and highly organized defensive approach, that's why he uses a lot of experienced players, cant see Rashford/TFM/ getting as much time as under any other manager, they are all learning and make mistakes, which is not allowed under Mourinho.. exception might be Martial and Shaw who are already one of the best in their positions in the league, then you mention Darmian as a promising talent, what on earth are you on? totally average player and waste of money and time.

There is no guarantee he will be success here, he might have won some trophies in the past but he would be taking over a team in transition, not sure if fans like you understand this. It¨s a big concern. Van Gaal had a good record as well and is totally failing, not to mention proven players like Falcao, diMaria and some other in the past, it's the worst environment for Mourinho to come in... if things go bad he will totally destroy it here and we will go down even further..

 

[m1y2]

that's one scary headline on so many levels

just an article form daily mail and people go crazy a person with Down would come up with article like this at this part of the season in a situation like this... to much ado bout nothing

 

[ti vu]

This is like psychology warfare. I think the gossipers (not worthy to be called journalists) trying to beat around the bush. In hope that one of the camps involved in this saga falls for the bait and releases releases real info. Suggesting one of the most popular coaches to go to China for a year, sound too stupid to be true. I meant it's not anyone's business to suggest Mou, Ancelotti, Pep,.. what they should do if they are approached for a job. Either they got the job here or not. They didn't hire you to be their agent, advisor.

Not saying Mou is %100 coming and I have ITK info. Just that seems like real info is likely be kept secret for now, and these gossipers just try to make money selling made up bs.

 

[Enigma_87]

No club (other than Madrid maybe) will sack a manager because of a poor month though. We were second in the table around end of November and results were fully in our control. We had injuries that month too and had to give starts to varela and all. The management decided to give him some more time and he did improve us from that and now we at least have an outside chance of top 4. Not to mention there were no viable candidates. Only one being a mourinho just fresh off a failed stint (worse than us), so it's understandable to not putting immediately in charge of our club.

We were out of CL, out of CC, and won 4 out of 17 games or something. Check the managers that were sacked during this season - most had better stats than those. 4 out of 17 is relegation form and hardly for a period spanning only a month

 

[Sky1981]

This transition period is bullshit period spawned by post saf managers.

You dont see major dip inform in many other top teams. They dont win the league perhaps but still challenging and win it back in a year or two.

We seems to be in perpetual transition with no visible improvement, let alone result.

We are a top club, and we have to be ruthless enough to demand immediate result. Our resources and structures are good enough to expect result in 2 years.

Transition, restructuring are for midtable teams aiming for long term project, not top of line clubs.

You dont hear this 3-5 year rebuilding bullshit anywhere else. Only at united.

Top managers should revitalise, rebuild on the fly while maintaining respectable results.

 

[spwd]

This transition period is bullshit period spawned by post saf managers.

You dont see major dip inform in many other top teams. They dont win the league perhaps but still challenging and win it back in a year or two.

We seems to be in perpetual transition with no visible improvement, let alone result.

We are a top club, and we have to be ruthless enough to demand immediate result. Our resources and structures are good enough to expect result in 2 years.

Transition, restructuring are for midtable teams aiming for long term project, not top of line clubs.

You dont hear this 3-5 year rebuilding bullshit anywhere else. Only at united.

Top managers should revitalise, rebuild on the fly while maintaining respectable results.

Couldn't agree more!

 

[hobbers]

End of the day, if he is staying next season, why hasn't the club said so?

If that is the plan, why weaken the team's position through keeping things up in the air, when a single line of text in a statement could resolve the doubt?