Pretty accurate, I would say
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Pretty accurate, I would say
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It's surprising that we have so many apparently stupid and fickle fans when this thread is so full of smug posters who, it appears, are wiser and more mature than everybody else. Peope's opinions change due to - surprise, surprise - life's ever-changing events; get over it.
Yeah, tbf, there's a bit of truth in that, at least in that he will inevitably act the cock at some stage and make a fecking circus out of the club. You don't change Mourinho. He's a pretty perfect version of what he is. He'll say the right things and, within 6 months, people within the club will be thinking, footballing success aside, that they hired someone who's going to be a problem. It'll all come down to how many (if any) pots he wins.
Have faith, lads. Di Marzio hasn't changed his tune yet so there is hope.
Technicolor(ed) for sure!
There are many like me who still think Mou is a bad choice due to his off the pitch actions and the things he talks and his moaning. But given a choice between Mou and LvG, I would take Mou because LvG has been given money and time and patience and whatever he was trying or planning did not work on our players.
For the poll question on top of this thread, my answer is still NO. I wouldn't be "happy" to have Mou at the helm of affairs.
He'll come in, say all the right things in his unveiling ("I'll play youth, play attacking football, follow the Sir Alex model etc.) and buy a load of top players. He'll probably win, too. Did it when he returned here and we know how it ended.
The Mourinho charm offensive is always great but always fades.
GRRRRR!!!
I DONT WANT LOGICAL. I WANT MOURINHO!!!!!!
most of us do. Hence I was telling KM to Sssshhhh
I dunno, I don't think it's people wanting him necessarily, it's wanting someone, and he just happens to be a big someone who's available, seems to want to come and our club seems to be trying to get. He's very far from the top of my want list, he's near the bottom in fact, it just happens that he's not as close to the bottom as our other available options right now.
I'd like to see LvG stay and deal with the media while Jose sorts the tactics out. That would be the perfect outcome for me, as LvG sits on his arse throughout matches they could even both be at the game together, just don't let LvG have anything to do with tactics or subs. I don't think I can get behind Jose being a twat just 'cause he's our twat, there were a lot of Chelsea fans sick of his shit well before he got the sack and couldn't win a game, especially when he had the episode with the physio.
We sack him?
Neither The Sun nor Castles say Mourinho isn't joining in the summer; quite the opposite, The Sun article (which some people seem not to have actually read) says Mourinho believes he'll be in the job by the end of the month.
That article and Castles' claims focus on a proposal previously made by Woodward and subsequently rejected by Mourinho, presumably at an early stage of negotiations, negotiations which, it's implied, have since continued productively.
For those people who want Mourinho in, there is nothing to be particularly concerned about here.
I wonder if people will complain if, when you play super attacking teams like Pep's City, Spurs, Liverpool and others in Europe, José plays pragmatic, defensive, counter attacking football.
Ive changed my stance on Mourinho but in truth its a little more complicated than having hated him and now loving him.
I always thought he was a great manager and thought Chelsea should stick with him (though I was stunned at how long they did persist with him). I didnt want him at United - not because of his managerial ability but because I think he lacks class. There are other similarly brilliant managers out there who have more class than he does, I wanted us to go with one of them. But since then two of those managers have gone to our most hated rivals, and none of the others look like they are available. Meanwhile our situation has become increasingly desperate. So now I advocate subordinating the class requirement, in favour of damage limitation. I have also allowed myself to hope that he will have learned something from his recent experiences, and grown as a person as a result of it. (But this is hope, as I said, not expectation.)
But at the end of the day as others have said it is more about making a change and getting rid of a manager that is failing. My support for Mourinho is more acquiescence than real desire in the traditional sense. If Woodward pulled some kind of a rabbit out of his hat at the end of the season and named some other reputable, exciting and most of all experienced guy as manager, Id be all for it. But the talent pool isnt huge - as evidenced by the fact that the media seems to be unable to put forward another viable candidate other than Giggs. And if that is the choice, it is Mourinho every time for me.
This doesn't make sense considering the Pep to City adventure went on for a lot longer than this one.
Yeah, how anyone can say they are happy with LvG staying on is absolutely beyond me. I'm not exactly a massive Mourinho fan, but feck me he's the best available option and more importantly, he's not LvG.
I wouldn't complain if we won. I would if he does something like try to park the bus against 10 men only for it to go t*ts up as what happened against PSG last year.
I was thinking the same yesterday so I dug up this thread. There are some gems in there
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That offer still stands, if you're reading, Mr Yeti.
This thread is becoming a real pain in the arse. I just can't help the feeling that the club is still waiting to see how the season ends, which is why we haven't done a Man City and announce the deal already if it's happening. LVG isn't some nice guy that deserves some kind of respect, he should be told that he hasn't done a good enough job, instead he's being mollycoddled.
This is such a damn circus. IMO it's a sure thing but till it's announced the journos are going to milk every last drop of this saga by writing absolute tosh.
But if we decide to stick with the Louis and Giggs comedy, we deserve every splatter of shite we get in the seasons to come
But if we decide to stick with the Louis and Giggs comedy, we deserve every splatter of shite we get in the seasons to come
if it's between Mourinho and Van Gaal with a view to get Pochettino the season after. I'm with you, Mourinho would kill everything MUFC is build around, too many pathetic fans on internet forums thinking he would bring success to the team in big transition, he always worked with the best squad something he will struggle to build here. He's far from the best option and too similar to Van Gaal, he's complete opposite to safest option. Massive twat and Chelsea legend, and people wnat him as our manager after he left the squad mentally drained on 13th place in the league. I understand poeple are desperate to get rid of LVG, I am as well but Id rather LVG to remain or Warren Joyce than another arrogant prick. Clear desperation from most of the United fans. sad
What of it's all a long game for Woodward? Keep LvG for another season, bank on the big boys all being back and therefore returning Spurs to their rightful place (5th-7th) and then stealing their manager next summer?
I agree with most of the above. But, apart from the people who always hero-worship Mourinho, some of us are so dismayed by van Gaal's United that we're willing to be (apparent) hypocrites & call for José. The low-energy football is perhaps the major element in that dismay but not the only one - we're football fans first, and the state of our football means we're falling out of love with the game. In my own case, I'd even take Giggs - let alone Mourinho - just so long as some fighting spirit and verve returns to United.
I think he is shitting himself to be honest. Not looking good for him is it?
I think we're going to need his home address, in case this falls through. Send some of the Caf's biggest boys around to have a word.
Looks like Jose is bricking it. A new leak every week.
Or the Sun are making it up....
I think he is shitting himself to be honest. Not looking good for him is it?
I think he might have decided to take this advice.
I feel so left out, i've never seen the info from @Acquire Me
With regards to the reports last night, although I am very much against LvG staying past the summer, i'd accept having him for 1 more season if it meant we would 100% have Jose taking over when he's done. Of course, I would much rather LvG fecked off after the FA Cup and Jose came in but if that is not an option for the board, this is the next best thing.
With regards to the reports last night, although I am very much against LvG staying past the summer, i'd accept having him for 1 more season if it meant we would 100% have Jose taking over when he's done. Of course, I would much rather LvG fecked off after the FA Cup and Jose came in but if that is not an option for the board, this is the next best thing.
Has everyone forgotten that Moyes was publically canned literally 48 hours after Champions League became mathematically impossible. Why would the club risk a constructive dismissal claim by breathing a word before then?
Christ, not going for unattainable targets doesnt mean we suddenly settle for top 4. What sort of logic is that?
Moreover looking at the timeline, Ed did waste time going to Barcelona. Bids were made between Neymar and Muller (supposedly) and then we had bids for Mane rejected at the tail end of the window with no time to negotiate further.
No one mentioned Rojo - I know he's sub par. But Mane isn't, and nor is the likes of Sane, or Dyabala or Reus, or Griezmann or Abemuyeng. We always seem to waste our time on a marquee transfer where the club nor the player want to sell/come and find the price tag of the realistic targets have doubled a year later.
We probably had a very good chance of getting Eric Aubameyang for the right price last summer, but he's probably got a price tag of triple now. Same with Dyabala, whose gone on to Juve and killed it. And Griezmann in 2014.
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Surely just finishing in the Champions League should have been the minimum expectation. It was fine last season because it was his first and he was feeling out the squad, but this is his second season and he's in an out of our hands battle with West Ham and a terrible City for 4th place, with three games remaining. To add to that, the league has been terrible this season overall, 2nd/3rd place should have been the aim. I think the board should be at least letting him know he's not done good enough, yet all we're hearing from LVG is that his job is safe in the most cocky way possible.
Hes only managed toxic clubs owner by power mad lunatics over the past ten years.
Of course he isnt going to be able to keep things up for thd long term.
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We all know what we're going to get with Mourinho, both the good and the bad. Similarly, we all knew what we were getting with Moyes and van Gaal...but we support these managers until they give us reason not to; we just hope that the good outweighs the bad, and there's nothing wrong with that approach.
I was never one of those.
I wanted Jose to replace SAF. He was the only manager in the World (IMO), who could replace SAF - huge ego, wants to be in control, disliked by many in the footballing fraternity, ruthless, puts winning about everything else.
Mourinho is a younger version of SAF.
Good post. Sums up my feelings too.
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