Fair question
In my opinion, United are waiting to see if we win the FA Cup before making any decision. If we lose it and finish 5th or lower, then I think they'll sack him. So any statement will be after that
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In my opinion, United are waiting to see if we win the FA Cup before making any decision. If we lose it and finish 5th or lower, then I think they'll sack him. So any statement will be after that
Nailed it.
This season was a piss fest of unprofessional behavior in far more aspects than just management. Board should rise above their own ego full of sentiment and stop tolerating the Europa League level that we are indisputably in.
Because they haven't actually made the decision yet?
It won't be the club that announces it first, it'll be LvG announcing his retirement in 16 days time
Presumably because he's on a 3year contract
True, but a one paragraph statement from the club could have killed all of this speculation stone dead months ago.
They were more than happy to release a statement clarifying our position with Guardiola, so why not release a statement to stop all of the LVG will be sacked talk that is seemingly news every day?
Maybe the club felt obliged to quash rumours in a bid to save face when its announced Guardiola has signed for City? I know as little as the next guy but its possible.
The club didn't release a statement about Pep. They denied it to journalists. We hav also denied there is any sort of deal with Mourinho.
I would seriously doubt the FA Cup alone would save him. Maybe if we had gone a barnstorming run of beating other Premier League elite that would demonstrate something positive, as it happens we've only really tripped and stumbled past the best of the rest so it's really neither here nor there. As goes the saying - nothing worth having comes easy.
What's the point keeping him? He's leaving next season anyway. I possible would have kept him if he wasn't leaving but the fact he's been average on top of Mourinho being available. He must go.
This! Someone should tattoo this post on Van Gaal's arse when he gets the sack.
The bottom line is, if we finish 4th, it'll only be due to a collapse of City or Arsenal. It would not be a result of van Gaal's great work as our point total, even if we are to win out, is gonna be lower than last season's, albeit by just a point. Of course, a point total has many other factors going into it, but it's not as if the league has become stronger and thus competition better. Given that injury wise, we had about the same issues as last year, you'll have two key variables that have remained about the same, hence the point total proving to be a strong indicator of a lack of progress.
Van Gaal does have the FA cup final and a potential title win to show for, but that comes with an early League Cup exit paired with a UCL group stage exit in a group that wasn't really that strong and an early Europa League exit. Again, the cups point to us stalling or even taking steps backwards compared to taking steps forward.
Now you have to factor in that we've had another summer of spending a decent amount of money on players and it becomes obvious that overall, we have taken a step backwards or at least not made any progress.
At a club such as United, a lack of progress in a situation like ours should almost force the board's hand to fire a manager. It'd be one thing if we had had a great season the year before, but we simply didn't.
Van Gaal does have the FA cup final and a potential title win to show for, but that comes with an early League Cup exit paired with a UCL group stage exit in a group that wasn't really that strong and an early Europa League exit. Again, the cups point to us stalling or even taking steps backwards compared to taking steps forward.
Now you have to factor in that we've had another summer of spending a decent amount of money on players and it becomes obvious that overall, we have taken a step backwards or at least not made any progress.
At a club such as United, a lack of progress in a situation like ours should almost force the board's hand to fire a manager. It'd be one thing if we had had a great season the year before, but we simply didn't.
I don't know anything you don't know. We can only guess. In my mind it is only logical that we won't sack a manager who has just won the FA Cup. I can't foresee it at all. Winning the FA Cup and then sacking him right after? Not happening imo. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not. We'll see.
If we lose that final after having finished 5th or 6th though, it's difficult to see him staying.
But this level of speculation is unprecedented. Van Gaal has spoken about it, but nobody believes what managers say when their jobs are on the line, because part of that job is to project stability.
Mourinho rumours, true or otherwise, have caused massive instability since he left Chelsea, especially after the Stoke and Midtjylland games. One word from the club at any point that LVG's job is safe and he'll be here next season more or less kills the story.
Exactly!
The only outcome the press seem not to have speculated on is VG and Mourinho as joint managers.
So expect that in next week's papers
So expect that in next week's papers
because no manager is guaranteed to keep their job?? What if they say he's here next season and we come 8th?? What would it achieve apart from stopping the papers selling papers to idiots who believe made up stories regardless of how many times these stories are wrong
First of all, yes I can read but obviously you can't. The season after the next one begins in 2017 like I said or are you living in a different year. Secondly, I never said Mourihno had a great record with young players. Don't imply I said that, I did not. Yes Mourihno has had highly organised sides in the past but that shouldn't suggest they are not good to watch. Like many on this thread have said before his Real Madrid side in 2011-12 season were attack minded. His team broke all kind of records that year including 100 points in a single season, a record 121 goals scored and a goal difference of +89. Oh yeah, you can also google that too.
Thirdly, yes you are right there is no guarantee he will be successful here. Team in transition is Van Gaal talking, like I said add 4 top players and get the most of the players we already have and we won't be far off. Van Gaal's expectations of where the club should be changes weekly. He's a fraud that has brought a new level of negativity to the club.
Fans like me? You don't know me, don't talk down to me and suggest that you are a more enlightened united fan. You don't know what will happen if Mourihno comes to the club, stop talking as if you do. It could hardly be worse than the drab, slow, embarrassing mess Van Gaal has offered us.
Also what eejits (I include some of supporters evidenced by the amount of threads on Jose vs. Rashford/TFM etc) are obsessed so much with youth players that they value it at the expense of the short-term (1-3 year time span let's say) success of the club? Youth players joining the first XI is a very attractive/romantic bonus that you hope to see but it's not a requirement in the slightest.
I'm starting to view it as borderline hipster-ish nonsense.
VG is too busy paranoid over the media have an agenda against him, than him seeing for himself what of a farce his teams are under his guidance, he thinks expectations are too high, more like he is too old to manage at club football. Will mourinho succeed? we don't know, is it worth a shot? why not
When the LVG supporters:
- crawl out of the woodwork.
- say LVG is building foundations so the next manager can be a success, while he gets the sack
- claim that the 4th place trophy is a fantastic achievement
- LVG hasn't actually spent that much money (net spend)
- bring up any other irrational, ridiculous argument, I shall refer them to this:
And when anybody starts mourning the arrival of Jose Mourinho, fearing that he will eat our youth players for breakfast, that he will bring a ruthless winning streak to our club, but that this is not the united way, I shall refer them to this:
- crawl out of the woodwork.
- say LVG is building foundations so the next manager can be a success, while he gets the sack
- claim that the 4th place trophy is a fantastic achievement
- LVG hasn't actually spent that much money (net spend)
- bring up any other irrational, ridiculous argument, I shall refer them to this:
And when anybody starts mourning the arrival of Jose Mourinho, fearing that he will eat our youth players for breakfast, that he will bring a ruthless winning streak to our club, but that this is not the united way, I shall refer them to this:
Be fecking carnage if Pool wins the EL and then we officially learn LVG is staying. I'd be one of the fans having an epic meltdown. Surely our board can't make such a daft decision. If they don't care about the club fine, but keeping LVG actually doesn't benefit them in any way we can see. Honestly, United's board members are very strange
Be fecking carnage if Pool wins the EL and then we officially learn LVG is staying. I'd be one of the fans having an epic meltdown. Surely our board can't make such a daft decision. If they don't care about the club fine, but keeping LVG actually doesn't benefit them in any way we can see. Honestly, United's board members are very strange
To be fair, the board have said feck all regarding this saga. No public announcement stating one way or the other that LVG is staying or going, nor anything regarding Jose coming or being asked to sit around on his finger for another season while LVG continues to drive the hammer on United. Everyone is taking the gossip and rag reports as legitimate news. When have they ever been consistent with this? It's literally flip flop journalism from one day to the next. Two weeks ago, the same nutjobs were reporting it would be announced in a fortnight. What changed? Nothing. Their just having a laugh at United, the team everyone loves to hate.
I expect all will be clear shortly after the FA Cup. If LVG is going, it will be announced soon as any new manager will need to hit the ground early.
This.
Manchester City finished second and were in the FA Cup final before Pellegrini told his squad he was leaving for Manchester City and betting was suspended. They officially sacked Mancini after the FA Cup final loss but it was widely acknowledged they were going to either way.
Rightly so if you have unlimited funds and still lose the league to Robin Van Persie
What if you have unlimited funds and lose the league to Jamie Vardy (/Harry Kane/Olivier Giroud/Sergio Aguero/maybe Andy Carroll)?
Disregard this post. Wrong thread
Totally agree. Honestly, I don't think I would like to work for United's board. Firstly, they should have made up their minds to back him or sack him. If you're backing him, say so and kill the speculation. If you're sacking him, tell him immediately and come up with a narrative that both parties can spin about Louis leaving. As much as I want Louis to go, I do find his treatment humiliating. It's like we have a bunch of cowards hiding behind him, because they either can't make a decision, or don't give a damn. For me, all members of the board, whether executive or non-executive directors - have behaved without one ounce of class.
Considering I'm sitting here seething over the fact Klopp is/was in two cup finals, with a glorious chance of CL football, without spending a penny, while we languish about, with clipboard Colin spending insane amounts on tripe, rolling out excuses for mediocrity, whilst we sit back and watch our team fall behind, I think you know the answer
Maybe the board did tell him of their plans and have come to an agreement for him to keep reacting the way he has about his future to keep the squad focused on trying to finish as high as possible and an FA cup run. We all saw how announcing early about managerial changes affected us back in 2002 when SAF was here or how City's form dipped after Pellegrini's announcement..
Aren't you speculating on how the board has acted when none of us have an actual idea which way this is going to go? Your guess might be right on how it is being handled or my version above has the same chances of happening, no?
I would like to think the board has an 'arrangement' with him, but I have no confidence that this is the case. I understand about not distracting the team, but if you think about it, the team is probably more distracted with all the speculation. I honestly believe this is worse. Don't think they would have performed any differently if they knew he was on the way out. In this social media world, the players are not able to avoid all this speculation - and it is a huge distraction. In any case, we've handled it badly.
If the club agreed that this is the best way for LVG to handle all the speculation, then they need a new PR department, because it's made things worse in my opinion.
The fact they have still not denied the rumours whilst Guardiola got denied over a hotel meeting within 72 hours. I'll say he's coming.
Mourinho is the best manager in the world (or one of the best 2-3). He has a contract. Only it hasn't been announced yet. But he definitely has a contract now. Signed and closed.
If CR7 would be out of contract this summer, and nothing had been announced yet, would you believe that he has not signed anything with anyone? In May?
If CR7 would be out of contract this summer, and nothing had been announced yet, would you believe that he has not signed anything with anyone? In May?
Please don't be sensible
That is a good way to look at it.
Nonsense. No decision has yet been taken on Van Gaal, let alone Mourinho. Why would we need to chase him? He's the one out of a job with no other decent job on the horizon, and for that reason is desperate to get the Utd job. We hold all the cards, he holds none.
As they did with Moyes, the Board won't make a decision until or unless 4th is unattainable. That should become clearer by next Tuesday evening.
What proof do you have of this? or are you simply making an assumption?
On the basis of the second paragraph, it's a definite assumption. Only problem is, the logic is fatally flawed.
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