BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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KM said:
What exactly as Woodward fecked up so much?

  • He sacked Moyes in the first nine months(after being forced upon him by the departing manager).
  • Hired one of the world's most respected and experienced coaches in LvG.
  • Has literally signed every player his manager has asked for(some of them were overpaid, granted but we've overpaid for players even before he came).
  • Signed the Adidas and Chevrolet deals, both of them which are record breakers.
  • Now currently overseeing the complete revamp of Club's academy and scouting system and bringing some much needed changes in them.
Not sacking LvG earlier was a mistake, but this current idea on the Caf that Woodward is completely useless is extremely laughable considering the changes we've gone through in the last three years. I'm convinced that most of the people strictly go by twitter rumors and memes whilst ignoring the facts.

Even this recent article of the Sun claims that Mourinho is still confident of being the next United manager which is hilariously ignored by the majority who are instead focusing on the headline.
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Good post. Although the unnecessary focus on marquee players whilst losing out on attainable targets, perceived lack of focus upon our scout/academy set up and refusal to hire a director of football (maybe due to pride of his dual role?) gives many supporters cause for concern.

Obviously if the reports are true, he'd have acted on all our concerns and we're fine.
 
Woodward gets a-lot of flack and I think it mostly stems from the fact that LvG is still here and could conceivably still be here next season. Apart from that, I don't think he has done much else wrong. I suppose people will blame him for being linked to ridiculous targets like Neymar and Muller but realistically, that's just paper talk.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Woodward gets a-lot of flack and I think it mostly stems from the fact that LvG is still here and could conceivably still be here next season. Apart from that, I don't think he has done much else wrong. I suppose people will blame him for being linked to ridiculous targets like Neymar and Muller but realistically, that's just paper talk.
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If we end up keeping LVG for another year, would you not think its a serious, serious error by Ed Woodward?

Also it wasn't just paper talk re. Neymar. Neymar's father leaked a United bid recently, and that coincides with what Ed Woodward went to Barcelona for (we all thought it was re. Pedro)
 
VP89 said:
Good post. Although the unnecessary focus on marquee players whilst losing out on attainable targets, perceived lack of focus upon our scout/academy set up and refusal to hire a director of football (maybe due to pride of his dual role?) gives many supporters cause for concern.

Obviously if the reports are true, he'd have acted on all our concerns and we're fine.
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The lack of focus upon our scout/academy setup blame should be laid of Ferguson and Gill alone. It was reported in a lot of newspapers that Moyes and LvG were shocked at just how bad our scouting and academy were when they arrived. Woodward has taken steps to change that.

Hell, even on the non sacking of LvG, there's a justifiable explanation when you see how pathetic City have been ever since they've announced Pellegrini will no longer be the manager next season.
 
VP89 said:
If we end up keeping LVG for another year, would you not think its a serious, serious error by Ed Woodward?
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I would think it's gross negligence, personally. I think it was a mistake to keep him past January, too
 
VP89 said:
If we end up keeping LVG for another year, would you not think its a serious, serious error by Ed Woodward?

Also it wasn't just paper talk re. Neymar. Neymar's father leaked a United bid recently, and that coincides with what Ed Woodward went to Barcelona for (we all thought it was re. Pedro)
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If LvG stays next year, then obviously it highlights a serious error by Woodward but until that is confirmed and it should be pointed out that there has been no public backing by the club or an attempt to shut down the rumors regarding our managerial situation.
 
Nothing is happening before the end of the season, and rightly so.

We've got a cup final and 3 vital league games, we all just need to forget about this and give LvG every chance to end on a relative high
 
KM said:
The lack of focus upon our scout/academy setup blame should be laid of Ferguson and Gill alone. It was reported in a lot of newspapers that Moyes and LvG were shocked at just how bad our scouting and academy were when they arrived. Woodward has taken steps to change that.

Hell, even on the non sacking of LvG, there's a justifiable explanation when you see how pathetic City have been ever since they've announced Pellegrini will no longer be the manager next season.
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The scout reaction was quite delayed wasn't it (we still don't have a DoF either)?. Also don't think its worth comparing LVG sacking in say, January to Pelligrini for City. The latter have to make do with Pelligrini whereas we could have conceivably brought Mourinho in before the Jan transfer window. Don't know whether that would have been the right or wrong move in hindsight but its not really comparable to City's situation.

I'm also concerned by his relentless hunt for marquee players. Wasting too many precious days in the window going for Bale or going for Neymar when the likes of Pedro were being flogged off. I actually think Pedro would have been a completely different player for us, more consistent and suiting LVG's style. Better than Lingard or Mata at the very least.

KM said:
If LvG stays next year, then obviously it highlights a serious error by Woodward but until that is confirmed and it should be pointed out that there has been no public backing by the club or an attempt to shut down the rumors regarding our managerial situation.
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Agreed. As a supporter that knows feck all like most, I'm just cautious of the worst.
 
VP89 said:
Good post. Although the unnecessary focus on marquee players whilst losing out on attainable targets, perceived lack of focus upon our scout/academy set up and refusal to hire a director of football (maybe due to pride of his dual role?) gives many supporters cause for concern.

Obviously if the reports are true, he'd have acted on all our concerns and we're fine.
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To be fair he doesn't go after marquee players ignoring the necessities. He buys the players the manager wants and then tries for muller and all. What's wrong in trying?
 
prath92 said:
To be fair he doesn't go after marquee players ignoring the necessities. He buys the players the manager wants and then tries for muller and all. What's wrong in trying?
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I personally reckon its a waste of time going for players that you obviously won't get. Then you end up under recruiting, wind up in January wanting the likes of Sane/Mane but failing to nab them because its mid-season and you have to wait until the summer again.
 
KM said:
What exactly as Woodward fecked up so much?

  • He sacked Moyes in the first nine months(after being forced upon him by the departing manager).
  • Hired one of the world's most respected and experienced coaches in LvG.
  • Has literally signed every player his manager has asked for(some of them were overpaid, granted but we've overpaid for players even before he came).
  • Signed the Adidas and Chevrolet deals, both of them which are record breakers.
  • Now currently overseeing the complete revamp of Club's academy and scouting system and bringing some much needed changes in them.
Not sacking LvG earlier was a mistake, but this current idea on the Caf that Woodward is completely useless is extremely laughable considering the changes we've gone through in the last three years. I'm convinced that most of the people strictly go by twitter rumors and memes whilst ignoring the facts.

Even this recent article of the Sun claims that Mourinho is still confident of being the next United manager which is hilariously ignored by the majority who are instead focusing on the headline.
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1. Not sacking LvG in the winter when we still got a chance for top 4. Now it's a bit of an outside shot. A year without CL - you can calculate the losses yourself.
2. Fellaini transfer.
3. Herrera transfer.
4. Pedro transfer.
5. Fabregas pursuit.
6. Ramos pursuit.
7. Didn't LvG ask for 3 defenders when he came in(including Shaw who was signed already), instead he got Falcao having RvP and Rooney already in the team?
8. Stocks and value going down, despite sponsorship deals

I can go on...
 
Stretford End Phil said:
This entire thread is utter fantasy - fun but fantasy.:D
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Don't get this logic at all. What part of you think this is fantasy? Because Mourinho rumors have been published in every damn UK newspaper and newspapers from Spain, Portugal, Italy etc.

Sure you can take the route of ignoring the newspapers and going on by the old cliche of "newspapers don't know shit" and it does apply to one or two, but not to all. It's hilarious that some posters here like to mock anyone who has the audacity to think positive about the club.
 
Like my dad used to tell me when I was a lad , and we were linked to every great player, he say "never believe anything until you see the (person) holding the scarf or wearing the shirt at Old Trafford, it isn't happening". Saves you a lot of headaches, I promise.
 
Enigma_87 said:
1. Not sacking LvG in the winter when we still got a chance for top 4. Now it's a bit of an outside shot. A year without CL - you can calculate the losses yourself.
2. Fellaini transfer.
3. Herrera transfer.
4. Pedro transfer.
5. Fabregas pursuit.
6. Ramos pursuit.
7. Didn't LvG ask for 3 defenders when he came in(including Shaw who was signed already), instead he got Falcao having RvP and Rooney already in the team?
8. Stocks and value going down, despite sponsorship deals

I can go on...
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I'm not necessarily against you but just to give a bit more colour here:

1) Agreed.
2) This was hilarious, along with Herrera. We ended up bidding after his release clause expired :lol:
3) Similar to above, Lawyer fiasco.
4) Agreed
5) We could have got him really, because he ended up being flogged a year later where LVG clearly didn't want him so we didn't bother.
6) Didn't Ramos want to go though? He said recently himself he wanted a new challenge and felt unsettled at Real. Was worth a go imo.
7) Not sure about this, but Falcao was a deal that only took a few hours and was worth a punt so I don't think we should slate Ed on this.
8) The market is terrible, most stocks are going down right now.
 
Rednotdead said:
This thread is a product of the club's failure to act decisively at the right time.
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The thread started with Mourinho speculation but has often descended into an absolute farce. It's really another (of many) threads for people to take out their anger about the situation that the club is in. Now that there are stories emanating that maybe Mourinho may not be coming after all, the cracks are starting to show.
 
Enigma_87 said:
1. Not sacking LvG in the winter when we still got a chance for top 4. Now it's a bit of an outside shot. A year without CL - you can calculate the losses yourself.
2. Fellaini transfer.
3. Herrera transfer.
4. Pedro transfer.
5. Fabregas pursuit.
6. Ramos pursuit.
7. Didn't LvG ask for 3 defenders when he came in(including Shaw who was signed already), instead he got Falcao having RvP and Rooney already in the team?
8. Stocks and value going down, despite sponsorship deals

I can go on...
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1st point is right.

Fellaini transfer was messed up by Moyes. I think we've been proved right on Pedro transfer. Fabregas and Ramos pursuits failed, but every club fails to sign their transfer targets, even in the Fergie era we missed out Sneijder, Hazard, Lucas Moura etc

There is no source for the 7th point and 8th point is actually wrong. The world stock market is volatile, so unless Woodward is responsible for it, I'm not sure how he can be held accountable for that. Majority of the businesses are down.
 
KM said:
Don't get this logic at all. What part of you think this is fantasy? Because Mourinho rumors have been published in every damn UK newspaper and newspapers from Spain, Portugal, Italy etc.

Sure you can take the route of ignoring the newspapers and going on by the old cliche of "newspapers don't know shit" and it does apply to one or two, but not to all. It's hilarious that some posters here like to mock anyone who has the audacity to think positive about the club.
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Not all newspapers are saying the same thing though. There are a couple saying there is no agreement in place, along with skysports.

KM said:
1st point is right.

Fellaini transfer was messed up by Moyes. I think we've been proved right on Pedro transfer
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Really? I thought Ed was incharge of transfers. Aside from that I don't think Pedro would have been as bad for us as he is for Chelsea. That entire Chelsea squad is an anomoly this season.
 
VP89 said:
Not all newspapers are saying the same thing though. There are a couple saying there is no agreement in place, along with skysports.
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Agreed but to say that this speculation is because of the people's fantasy highlight the lack of intelligence in some posters.
 
KM said:
Sure you can take the route of ignoring the newspapers and going on by the old cliche of "newspapers don't know shit" and it does apply to one or two, but not to all. It's hilarious that some posters here like to mock anyone who has the audacity to think positive about the club.
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This line is just terrible. People pick and choose what media speculation that they want to believe. Because it's your personal preference to believe that Mourinho is coming, anyone who doesn't chose to believe it is wrong? Odd. Until something official comes out, I personally find the whole thing a tedious speculative mess.
 
Robbie Boy said:
This line is just terrible. People pick and choose what media speculation that they want to believe. Because it's your personal preference to believe that Mourinho is coming, anyone who doesn't chose to believe it is wrong? Odd. Until something official comes out, I personally find the whole thing a tedious speculative mess.
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and yet you're coming in this thread, whilst making snarky comments about those who think he'll be our next manager. That's certainly more odd than my line of thinking.
 
KM said:
1st point is right.

Fellaini transfer was messed up by Moyes. I think we've been proved right on Pedro transfer. Fabregas and Ramos pursuits failed, but every club fails to sign their transfer targets, even in the Fergie era we missed out Sneijder, Hazard, Lucas Moura etc

There is no source for the 7th point and 8th point is actually wrong. The world stock market is volatile, so unless Woodward is responsible for it, I'm not sure how he can be held accountable for that. Majority of the businesses are down.
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For point 7 I was going by memory and LvG wanted Vermaelen but he signed for Barca.

I don't think we should look at Pedro's transfer in a hindsight, otherwise Di Maria and Falcao should be looked as complete failures but it's would not be Woodward's fault there. He should be judged if he can get the deal done and we wanted the player was in for him and he signed for Chelsea because we were haggling for too long. Regardless of how Pedro adjusted and developed in Prem that was a cock up.

For #8 - sure, the market is volatile but Woodward is judged on financial results. It's a combination of course between being poor on the pitch and the aforementioned reasons, but still it's on steady decline. Of course it's not entirely his fault just putting it there as relevance to our current financials/value.
 
Robbie Boy said:
The thread started with Mourinho speculation but has often descended into an absolute farce. It's really another (of many) threads for people to take out their anger about the situation that the club is in. Now that there are stories emanating that maybe Mourinho may not be coming after all, the cracks are starting to show.
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The only certainty is that there's going to be a degree of meltdown no matter the outcome.
 
Enigma_87 said:
For point 7 I was going by memory and LvG wanted Vermaelen but he signed for Barca.

I don't think we should look at Pedro's transfer in a hindsight, otherwise Di Maria and Falcao should be looked as complete failures but it's would not be Woodward's fault there. He should be judged if he can get the deal done and we wanted the player was in for him and he signed for Chelsea because we were haggling for too long. Regardless of how Pedro adjusted and developed in Prem that was a cock up.

For #8 - sure, the market is volatile but Woodward is judged on financial results. It's a combination of course between being poor on the pitch and the aforementioned reasons, but still it's on steady decline. Of course it's not entirely his fault just putting it there as relevance to our current financials/value.
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Fair point regarding the Pedro's transfer, but I think the story was that we backed out of the deal after LvG had doubts over him. Could be wrong though.
 
KM said:
and yet you're coming in this thread, whilst making snarky comments about those who think he'll be our next manager. That's certainly more odd than my line of thinking.
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You should have stuck with the Arsenal Mania comment, it's about your level of posting anyway.

Sarky comments? The feck. I think LvG will be here next season / you think Mourinho will be here. So my comments are sarky now because I have an opposing opinion to you? You really are tiresome. All I have seen from you in this thread is you having a go at anyone who picks up on a story that says anything to the contrary about Mourinho joining, whilst you choose to believe anything that says he's coming. Logic.
 
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VP89 said:
I'm not necessarily against you but just to give a bit more colour here:

1) Agreed.
2) This was hilarious, along with Herrera. We ended up bidding after his release clause expired :lol:
3) Similar to above, Lawyer fiasco.
4) Agreed
5) We could have got him really, because he ended up being flogged a year later where LVG clearly didn't want him so we didn't bother.
6) Didn't Ramos want to go though? He said recently himself he wanted a new challenge and felt unsettled at Real. Was worth a go imo.
7) Not sure about this, but Falcao was a deal that only took a few hours and was worth a punt so I don't think we should slate Ed on this.
8) The market is terrible, most stocks are going down right now.
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There are other examples really, not just these. We have missed on players in the past but not in the same manner and I don't think our current transfer dealings (especially given the large budget) have been up to par compared to past management.
 
Robbie Boy said:
This line is just terrible. People pick and choose what media speculation that they want to believe. Because it's your personal preference to believe that Mourinho is coming, anyone who doesn't chose to believe it is wrong? Odd. Until something official comes out, I personally find the whole thing a tedious speculative mess.
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Audacious...:nono:
 
Robbie Boy said:
You should have stuck with the Arsenal Mania comment, it's about your level of posting anyway.

Sarky comments? The feck. I think LvG will be here next season / you think Mourinho will be here. So my comments are sarky now because I have an opposing opinion to you? You really are tiresome. All I have seen from you in this thread is you having a go at anyone who picks up on a story that says anything to the contrary about Mourinho joining, whilst you chose to believe anything that says he's coming. Logic.
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To be fair that AM comment was probably right too but didn't wanted to thread to go off-topic. Also I'm not the one who's been comparing this place to RAWK anyway but whatever floats your boat anyway.
 
KM said:
To be fair that AM comment was probably right too but didn't wanted to thread to go off-topic. Also I'm not the one who's been comparing this place to RAWK anyway.
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No sorry never compared anything. There's some good debate in here but also some awful stuff such as ITK's etc. As I said, the Arsenal Mania comment is more your level of comment. Anyhow, lets not derail this thread with petty nonsense.
 
Why did LVG have a 2 hour meeting with 'officials' yesterday? To agree his severance payment?

What I fear is that we fail to sack him next season if it looks as though we are not going to make the CL. Another year wasted.
 
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