After the ecstasy of today it feels a little wrong for these reports to come out now
LVG deserves now a few weeks without speculation to deliver us the FA Cup
LVG deserves now a few weeks without speculation to deliver us the FA Cup
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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f*ck off you cannot be serious. I know Mourinho likes old centre backs that defend deep and are dirty sobs but Carvalho is 38 in a months time. A younger version of him like Godin perhaps or even Smalling is on his way to that style of defending with his increasing number of fouls and grappling with forwards and their shirts.Those 1st May rumours may be true after all...
Are you really saying those two papers?
William Carvalho?
To be honest I don't know who is or isn't reliable in the press
But I usually take note when more than one report the same story at the exact same time
Yes because he's done that at precisely zero clubs he's ever been at.
Exact same situation as Pogba. It happens. More often the player is wrong, though. Just bites hard when they prove you wrong.
Not at all.
thought it was just me that though that, LVG will see out his contract.
Give me strength.
We've always spent money. You realise how much we spent on the likes of Rooney and Rio. You realise how absolutely shit we've been the last few years? God forbid we attempt to sign one of the best managers in the world.
No different
Fergie and the club made an error with pogba for sure but they didn't want to lose him and he was pretty bitter when he left
KDB was sold by Jose as he didn't want him
If Van Gaal got another year I honestly would consider chaining myself to the Stretford End goal and not moving or something. The despair that the reality of 12 whole more months of this years shite would bring would tip me over the edge.
Pray to god Jose is annouced soon and removes this horrifying prospect.
Pray to god Jose is annouced soon and removes this horrifying prospect.
What a load of shit. I'd say Mourinho is the closest thing since a young Alex Ferguson since the young Alex Ferguson. The only thing he's missing is a dynasty. But then SAF never had that until he got here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Carvalho
he is 24.
you thinking about his dad?
FFS
Doesn't promote youngsters and fecks off when going gets tough. That's at all clubs he's been at.
Poster thinks you are suggesting Ricardo Carvalho
I guess he thinks it's about Ricardo Carvalho.
why would we be wanting a 38 year here?
anyways we were interested in him during Moyes time..but they wanted the world. also van Gaal nixed it I think.
I've rated him.
Not sure how he has been doing in the last two years. We need a solid defensive midfielder. A bit casual it may seem. But I liked his confidence.
Carrick is done. Blind may replace him. still...
Like at Inter, Porto and Chelsea first iteration?
Gave more youngsters their debuts at Real Madrid than any other manager has in like the past 2-3 decades.
Any examples ? I dont know if it counts bringing on Jese twice a year when your 6 nil up against Elche
Mourinho and playing youth..think he does get called on it more often than not.
He does not wait about. He wants titles and uses tried and tested players. Nothing wrong with that. But I am certain part of his brief will be what this club is built on. Our history.
If he is supposed to come here, he would already be digesting these expectations.
He does not wait about. He wants titles and uses tried and tested players. Nothing wrong with that. But I am certain part of his brief will be what this club is built on. Our history.
If he is supposed to come here, he would already be digesting these expectations.
Well in theory it sounds nice to kind of "force" him to play youngsters, but that won't end well. It needs to come from the manager and the manager needs to have the desire to develop youth and take risks.
@duffer (can't think of any other Chelsea fans): how was it last season? Did he play youngsters when you were close to win the league anyway / had a comfortable lead? And did he play them after you had won it?
@duffer (can't think of any other Chelsea fans): how was it last season? Did he play youngsters when you were close to win the league anyway / had a comfortable lead? And did he play them after you had won it?
tbf van Gaal was forced to play a number of youngsters because of a thin squad and injuries.
Fergie used to introduce them sparingly. But he did give youth a chance.
Fergie used to introduce them sparingly. But he did give youth a chance.
I think one of them said recently that Jose kept talking about how one or two of them were ready and would give a chance soon but never happened. They thought that he said to appease fans for the time being since there was pressure on him to make some use of their seemingly outstanding youth squads recently.
Van gaal does it only here because of the reasons u gave and what not.
Never been done it before here right?
if you mean he has done it elswhere sure. but we were scrapping the bottom of the barrel with the squad.
So he has done it before at other clubs. Therefore, doing it here is not out of character or something new or whatever for him. Right?
There was this guy who has a bit of connection with the club especially with the youth set up said it here that many youth players hand-picked by him and other youth coaches started training with him and the first team since last season.
Just shows that he has been having an eye on for youth players this whole time.
We regularly broke transfer records under Fergie. In fact, he often complained he wasn't given enough money to sign the likes of Batistuta.
The whole "value in the market" thing of the late 2000's was nothing more than his way of hiding the fact we had very little to spend at the time.
agree. purse strings were tight then.
It cost us to be fair. The 2010 and 2012 narrow title losses could have been easy wins if we just bought a decent bloody midfielder!
Van Persie felt like the first statement signing in years when he arrived and look how many points we won the league by.
We have spent huge since Fergie left but not many players have come along to be brilliant. Mou's record is very good though in the market if you exclude the Essien's (Madrid), Falcao's and Shevcenko's and other flops that he seems to get hold of always in his 3rd Summer window.
People talk about Jose and youth but the likes of Martial and Rashford are so good he will want them just for the quality.
I can understand the concern that he would get in Ibra on big wages and sideline Rashford, hindering his development where as Poch would put his faith in him. Then again if we are in the Europa League there will be plenty of chances for him to play and players like Ibra would be great to learn off. It's not like Jose will just throw Rashford or Mensah to the side because they don't have price tags attached. I don't think that any of the concerns are valid enough to avoid appointing him.
I think another concern is the players still waiting to shine, will they get a chance? Mou would probably play a strong team in League Cups and what not. However, Van Gaal has made so many young players established first teamers already that there is no chance Mou will overlook the majority of what our academy is producing right now.
I can understand the concern that he would get in Ibra on big wages and sideline Rashford, hindering his development where as Poch would put his faith in him. Then again if we are in the Europa League there will be plenty of chances for him to play and players like Ibra would be great to learn off. It's not like Jose will just throw Rashford or Mensah to the side because they don't have price tags attached. I don't think that any of the concerns are valid enough to avoid appointing him.
I think another concern is the players still waiting to shine, will they get a chance? Mou would probably play a strong team in League Cups and what not. However, Van Gaal has made so many young players established first teamers already that there is no chance Mou will overlook the majority of what our academy is producing right now.
Except that he wanted to sign hazard and Lucas Moura etc with big money but he didn't want to pay agent fee coz he and David Gill thought it was outrageous. I don't think club could spend like 100m or so back then obviously but enough to buy one star player every year.
Not to mentioned all those SAF spent and gamble on flops added up a lot too. We were so tight apparently back then yet people accused of giving money away to Mendes for bebe. You don't know what to think sometimes reading stuff here.
The real reason why SAF didn't need to spend big in his last years were pretty simple. Because he didn't need to. He still won titles and lost one on goal difference. Got to CL final in 2011 and almost beat Jose's super star Madrid. It was not like Wenger and Arsenal problem. Far from it.
Not really true. If he had bought Sneijder in 2011 we'd have won the league that year, rather than winning nothing. If he had spent even half the Ronaldo money in 2009 we would probably have won the league rather than losing it by the point we did, and not been so reliant on Rooney.
Had a big post almost ready but Firefox crashed and lost the contents so I'll just post short stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Chelsea_F.C._season#Appearances
He played five youth players last season:
- Nathan Ake (2 starts, 3 subs)
- Andreas Christensen (2 starts, 1 sub)
- Dominic Solanke (1 sub)
- Ruben Loftus-Cheek (2 starts, 2 subs)
- Isaiah Brown (1 sub)
Those five players this season:
- Nathan Ake has played over 2000' on loan at Watford
- Andreas Christensen has played over 3000' on loan at Borussia Monchengladbach and is bossing it
- Dominic Solanke has played over 1800' on loan at Vitesse
- Ruben Loftus-Cheek has played 644' at Chelsea (212' came before Mourinho was sacked)
- Isaiah Brown has played over 1500' on loan at Vitesse
We were never going to win the league title every year especially with new sugar daddy clubs around that time. Spending on those players might not change anything. Berbatov and Valencia were bought for the team to make sure we have enough quality to compete. Berbatov was not cheap at all. Whether they replaced Ronaldo and Tevez's quality was a different matter. Valencia played pretty well for his first 2-3 seasons doing his job well enough.
Even Barca didn't win every year with pep on their peak back then.
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Only real exception I can think of is a player Mourinho actually signed - Kurt Zouma - and he was someone a lot would have heard of beforehand. Played a bit last season and this season was a starter for them and along with Willian the only bright spots for Chelsea fans.
Reckon Martial would see just as much gametime next season under Mourinho than he has done under van Gaal this season, but Rashford will probably get 500' max in all competitions if Ibra, Griezmann or both are brought in.
Earlier poster said Rashford would probably get a fair bit of gametime in the Europa League. I'm not too sure as Mourinho isn't one for rotating. Last season Chelsea played against some pretty 'bad' teams in Europe but still fielded pretty much their first XI.
I don't think that's true. From what the reports said, Jose wanted to keep KDB. He just thought he wasn't ready for first team football now. When the offer came in, his hands were pretty much forced as the board thought the amount was too much for a youngster who is not yet a part of the first team.
Chelsea didn't have many injuries under Mourinho that year if I remember correctly. Pretty much the same 11 starting all year. Think Terry managed to play in every single game so no surprise the Chelsea version of Paddy Mcnair and Tyler Blackett werent playing
Courtois 32
Ivanovic 38
Cahill 33(3)
Terry 38
April 29
Matic 35
Fabregas 33(1)
William 28(8)
Oscar 26(2)
Hazard 38
Costa 24(2)
And then you have the likes of Cech, Zouma, Luis, Mikel, Ramires, Cuadrado, Remy, Drogba needing to play too. Will be interesting too see how he deals with our yearly injury catastrophe
@The United.
I take your point. But no manager ticks all the boxes. infact was texting with a mate. He wants van Gaal gone and Giggs installed.
and others here. The big tick for Mourinho is he wins trophies. But that does not mean he will forget Youth policies that have brought us so much success. As I said all part of the 'terms of reference' that any new executive will be given.
As for Fergie as someone posted above...yes. he won all those titles on a tight pursestring compared to what van Gaal was given.
tbh I don't think any of us here want to be put through the torture of watching van Gaal's football another year. Today was one of a few exceptions. In all a very enjoyable match...even before that last minute win.
I take your point. But no manager ticks all the boxes. infact was texting with a mate. He wants van Gaal gone and Giggs installed.
and others here. The big tick for Mourinho is he wins trophies. But that does not mean he will forget Youth policies that have brought us so much success. As I said all part of the 'terms of reference' that any new executive will be given.
As for Fergie as someone posted above...yes. he won all those titles on a tight pursestring compared to what van Gaal was given.
tbh I don't think any of us here want to be put through the torture of watching van Gaal's football another year. Today was one of a few exceptions. In all a very enjoyable match...even before that last minute win.
I'm wary of William Carvalho. I kind of feel that if he was top quality, someone would have already snapped him up. Clubs like Sporting and Benifica are very good at selling mediocre players for a lot of money to a naive buyer. He may prove me wrong, but I just have a feeling...
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