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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Stop talking sense.
If you look at his jobs its not quite as black and white, I feel.
First Porto, left at the end of his 2nd year for a bigger club, Could have continued at the time.
Chelsea started his 4th year in charge of Chelsea but was sacked by Abramovic for underperforming, but his players, Drogba, Terry, Lampard etc still loved him.
Inter 2 years, but again left for a bigger opportunity, club/fans adored him on his departure to a bigger project but could have continued with them.
Real he lasted 3 years but even then... 3 years at Real is a bloody long time? when you consider you're actually talking about Real! thats their longest serving manager in the last 20 years surely?
He may only last 3 years here, but after Wenger the 2nd longest serving manager currently in the PL is Pelligrini at City and hes about to get binned, i.e. the average life expectancy in modern PL football is... 3 years.
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Aye. I've also read numerous "typical (boring) mourinho like performances - as if some would like to compare what we're serving up under LvG as the standard mourinho performance
I'd like mourinho in for various - but being a fan of his, isn't 1 of them. Though I've seen his teams, time and again, play some breathtaking attacking and counter attacking football. Does he park the bus? Of course he does. He's very pragmatic. But it's usually done when he's either up against a much more talented side or when his trying to see out a title or arrest a slump by his team. But 80-90% of his matches he usually beat sides comfortably, especially the smaller sides. With his teams often top or even breaking goal scoring records.
It's just another "myth" that is exaggerated in the argument against him. I would however, expect his record with youth to improve if he were to be appointed, assuming that's a board priority.
I'll give you Klopp as he was recently at Dortmund (though even has moved on).
All the other names you mentioned are either retired or are from a bygone era.
Ancelotti, for example, in his last job was there for 2 years.
Guardiola did 3 years in his current job.
Del Bosque, in his last job with Beskitas, for about a year.
Even Poch (who some people want to manage us), has been at Spurs for 2 years. Before that at Southampton, he did 1.5 years.
The current league leaders LCFC - Ranieri has been with them for less than 1 season and was with Greece before them (for just over 1 year).
Lets take a look at Barca (who many proclaim the best team in the World). Their current manager has been with them for almost 2 years. Before that Martino was with them for 1 season.
Long term managers are the exception, not the norm.
Jose merely adheres to this rule.
Well, if you "don't care that much" why are you making such a song and dance about it?
I suppose you're not really comparing like for like there. The difference was that the players never stopped playing for Klopp, and he remained in charge to turn around their season, climbing the table to claim a spot in Europe and a cup final.
The Chelsea players certainly did stop playing for Mourinho and may have stayed in the relegation fight had the club not sacked him. It reflects terribly on the players that they've been at the top end of the form table since forcing Mourinho out.
They didn't suffer with injury much either, Mourinho just couldn't get anything from players like Hazard, Matic, Fabregas or Costa who were all top 10 players in the league the previous season.
While Dortmunds injury list in 2014/2015 was a disaster.
Kevin Großkreutz (missed 11 games)
Lukasz Piszczek (missed 10 games)
Marcel Schmeltzer (missed 6 games)
Erik Durm (missed 10 games)
Mats Hummels (missed 9 games)
Sokratis Papastathopoulos (missed 7 games)
Sebastian Kehl (missed 9 games)
Sven Bender (missed 10 games)
Oliver Kirch (missed 19 games)
Nuri Sahin (missed 23 games)
Ilkay Gundogan (missed 9 games)
Jakub Blaszczykowski (missed 20 games)
Marco Reus (missed 14 games)
Adrián Ramos (missed 7 games)
Oh whatever. I'm not arguing with you. Just because your point failed, you feel the need to argue.
Great post
I've read the article, it doesn't really say much. He just repeats the title and then talks about random stuff
Yeah it's terrible.
Its going to be very hard for us to win a title again anytime soon,competing against City,Chelsea,Arsenal and Spurs,we also don't know how many players were are going to need to build a title winning team.
City have a very good team and only need a few key signings.
Would the combined egos of Mourinho and Zlatan even fit into Old Trafford?
I liked it when things were simple with us, Ferguson managed players like Danny Welbz and O'Shea who had been here since they were young, they understood the club, they understood us and played like they actually cared.
They mightn't have been as talented as these multi coloured boots wearing, overpaid, work shy "Big names" that Mendes keeps selling to us but their work rate and determination brought us further as a team than these individuals ever can.
We need to get back to our old identity, listen to Ferguson. He knows well Pochettino would bring through young players and act with the class a United manager needs to possess. Mourinho and his band of Mendes mercenaries are not what this club is about, whether the Yanks or their lap dogs understand this is my biggest fear.
Desperate people take desperate measures, I know proper fans, prob been in the stretty since before most of ye were out of nappies, and even some of them have completely revised their opinion on hiring Mourinho after the depression around at home games this season.
I liked it when things were simple with us, Ferguson managed players like Danny Welbz and O'Shea who had been here since they were young, they understood the club, they understood us and played like they actually cared.
They mightn't have been as talented as these multi coloured boots wearing, overpaid, work shy "Big names" that Mendes keeps selling to us but their work rate and determination brought us further as a team than these individuals ever can.
We need to get back to our old identity, listen to Ferguson. He knows well Pochettino would bring through young players and act with the class a United manager needs to possess. Mourinho and his band of Mendes mercenaries are not what this club is about, whether the Yanks or their lap dogs understand this is my biggest fear.
Desperate people take desperate measures, I know proper fans, prob been in the stretty since before most of ye were out of nappies, and even some of them have completely revised their opinion on hiring Mourinho after the depression around at home games this season.
Good job we'll be getting a manager who knows the answer then!
Didn't Bild also say last summer that we secured Gundogan for £20m?
I actually think we did, but LvG got cold feet. Something was definitely happening with him last summer for sure.
The United job is by far Mourinho's toughest in his career, people that thinks he's just gonna come here and make a title winning team quickly will be disappointed.
I don't know if he'll turn us into a title winning team quickly so I might well be disappointed. You can't possibly know for certain that he won't, though.
You may be surprised how much changing a man in charge can affect everyone around... not only related to football.
That was Sky Germany I think.
I expect it to be better than under Van Gaal, but I won't get carried away until I see something great on the pitch from us under his management.
Reasonable approach. If we could give LvG two years, he should easily get the same amount but perhaps luckily, he likes doing squad related things in a much more faster rate than his teacher.
You can definitely expect some changes if it's gonna happen, of course.
Think he actually fecked us about with his wage demands, and pulled the same shit with Barcelona as well.
I think it's very reasonable to expect something more tangible than that. He'd almost certainly be the highest paid manager in the world, and have the Woody-Mendes duo to bring him almost any player he desires (reasonably speaking).
I'll probably still give him a couple of seasons before demanding trophies, though. Mainly because if we were to get rid of him, we'll be unlikely to have any alternatives.
You were the one who started the argument, not me.
If Mou is appointed we should be fighting for the title in his first season.
We need to end the habit of low expectations. If Madrid or Munich have bad seasons, a new manager is expected to come in and put them back at the top immediately.
I won't be calling for Jose to go if we finish second or whatever, but this is United and we should expect to win.
I would say winning the CL with Porto and even Inter Milan was far more difficult.
With MUFC, we won't expect the CL, but will expect the league title and I think given a decent transfer fund, he will be able to do it.
The problem with Moyes is that he had no experience of managing big names/club. He also had no previous track record of winning trophies.
LVG had no experience in the EPL, so thought it was be easy. And even now, does not understand how to win games consistently. He is also past his best.
Jose, is still at the peak of his powers and the reigning EPL Champions' manager.
I do agree with this, but Jose will have to undo roughly 2 years' work. You can't possibly expect this to be done in one Summer?
Our players have become used to playing conservatively (something which does not work in the EPL) and Jose will have to do a brain-washing job on a lot of our players.
Under LVG, you can be a striker who scores 10 goals per season and LVG will make you king. Jose will put you on the bench, then sell you if you do that [yes Mr Rooney, I am looking at you].
In Moyes' defence (And I say that lightly because I hate him and always have) he was dealing with a lot of shit from certain individuals.
There were plenty of stories about Giggs undermining him and not showing up to staff and team meetings and that shit with Rio, "but he took my chips" was ridiculous.
When Moyes was sacked, all Rio could think about was "we've got to get our chips back now." And that's an actual quote from his book
Both his Porto and Inter side were settled, we're still a mess.
Porto wasn't settled. Inter was.. but he revamped the team bringing in half a new first team.
I think the anti mourinho brigade in the club have faded away. Lose to palace and everton and we will see him confirmed.
It wouldn't be surprising if that has happened as it would mirror the change in feelings of members on here. I can't see him being confirmed before the end of the season though. I still see Van Gaal staying anyway.
We're certainly no worse than last year's bottom feeding Leicester side. Just goes to show what a new manager with a fresh perspective can do.
Only for the final 8 fixtures. Before that they were headed down.
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