Well if they are really bringing in Mourinho or whomever, they need to lay the law down with SAF and his cronies (i.e. ex players) - no shitty comments to the press, and no leaks from the club. Let the manager concentrate on what he's doing without internal strife, otherwise we'll still be in a mess.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Maureen only seems to have winning mentality in line with this club. There's so much other stuff that comes with him I'm just not sure our sponsors would even want that. We are all so desperate now to get back all we want is to win games but how he looked when he left Chelsea, the baggage he comes with and even his methods of building winning teams...there is alot he'd have to change. Because he certainly won't have free reign here! He'll be lectured on bringing kids through and he'll have to become a lesser beast in his mind doing that.
The sponsors only care about what sells. We continue like this, they'll be looking elsewhere. Mourinho honestly will likely be short term (he might surprise us and do otherwise), but until we have someone else available, he's all we've got to work with at the moment - entirely the club's fault for leaving us in this position. Therefore we make do at this time.
It's a hard life when you have to make do with one of the best managers in the world.
I know
Mourinho is box-office. The sponsors/advertisers will love him, and as boss of United, he is the sports writer's wet dream.
If he'll actually get the job, or be any good at it, is another thing entirely.
If he'll actually get the job, or be any good at it, is another thing entirely.
He said in his book that he made the decision to retire in the winter of 2012. Then he said during a phone call with Moyes in Feb 2013 he advised Moyes not to sign a new contract with Everton as he knew it would make it harder for them to sign Moyes then.
After Moyes completely failed he then claimed he didn't pick Mourinho because he had already decided to go to Chelsea which would mean that Mourinho was locked into Chelsea in the winter of 2012 which I find unusual and makes me think he is just distancing himself from the Moyes disaster. Also at the time it was reported that David Gill had put Mourinho's name forward but as he was leaving they went with Fergusons choice instead. At the time Gill said this which makes me think he wasn't considering Moyes as he had zero experience in the CL as he never qualified.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...domestic-and-european-experience-8607952.html
It's not unusual to change your mind about retirement, it's very common in sports.
It's also well documented that he told Pep 'when you leave Barca, do not sign anywhere else. Call me' and then Pep chose Bayern. I'm sure there were many names in contention for the role and not just Moyes. People make out like the board went to SAF and said 'who do you want to replace you' SAF said Moyes and then they replied 'okay cool, hired'. In reality, it will have been a very length process involving the entire board and considering a number of factors, that SAF's opinion would only have been a part of.
I don't know about you but I've either recalled something incorrectly in my life, or even flat out lied to someone before. I'm sure you will have at some point in your life and yet that doesn't mean that even 5% of what I say isn't true and I'd wager the same about you too so I find it to be a non-sequitur to act like because there are examples of him saying something that wasn't quite true before that any significant portion of what he says is therefore false or that there's doubt cast over it.
I think you are overestimating our board here and Moyes would absolutely not go far in a lengthy selection process where a lot of factors get looked at.
I don't think it's overestimating anything. It's how business works at the most basic level, let alone that of business the size of ours who float on the NY stock exchange. As incompetent as you think they might be it would be an insult to think that they actually conduct business like children.
I think Ferguson's opinion on who should succeed him would have had a huge sway on the board and his opinion would have had far greater weight than what any of the Glazers or whoever on the board thought. If he told them Moyes was capable of continuing what he had built and to do it on the cheap like they like then I don't believe they would second guess him considering the success he has brought and his football knowledge compared to them.
I doubt he managed to wrongly recall when he decided to retire either so I think its fair for me to assume it was simply him deciding Moyes over Mourinho rather than Mourinho being locked in at Chelsea that early. Either way its probably pointless to speculate over it as we just don't know what was going on to lead to such a strange decision like Moyes over Mourinho
I'd agree that he doesn't like Mourinho, it would have started from the Porto game, SAF would not have appreciated the celebratory running down the touchline antics and doesn't forget such things. However, he never got in a long term battle for supremacy in the PL like he did with Wenger which helped. When Chelsea were at their peak 04-06 we were at our worst. It was convenient to appear friendly with Mourinho while Chelsea were beating our then great rivals Arsenal for us.
It was noticeable how the rivalry with Wenger cooled from SAF's side when they were no longer a threat. He was a master at manipulating that side of things.
The only way Giggs was going to get the job is if things went great under LVG.
Van gaal's biggest supporter at the club is woody, all the talk about fergie being involved in the decision is pure nonsense imo, this is simply about woody admiring he made a mistake hiring van gaal.
People who say/write Maureen truly show themselves off as redneck hillbillies and neighbours to texas chainsaw massacre farm to be fair. How backwater can you be.
You're right, but what we do know is that he's spoken more than once of his fondness for Jose, of his friendship, of his attributes that make him a great manager and when he was sacked from Chelsea said he was great for football. I don't think that one or two findings about things he might have said mean that it casts light on everything he says after that. When someone says something once, then sure you could make a case for it but when someone says it over and over again then there's weight that can be attached to it.
On the retirement note he probably decided about 5 times in 5 years to retire. People at the end of their sports career often do, they talk themselves out of it, then decide to do it again etc.
I think they are pretty good at all the other stuff except football and given their backgrounds who can blame them. The takeover (though infuriatingly ugly) was brilliant business ( from their perspective), the monetizing of the brand the refinancing and then the listing were all pieces of world class strategic management that could be a blueprint/case study for others. However on the football front they don't know shit and rely heavily on the two Sirs, who are from a different era, plus Woodward is liable to go his own way or feck up which dilutes the knights' influence somewhat and leaves this clusterfeck. I seriously wouldn't put it past them just taking Sir Alex's recommendation, then, at face value and from Fergie's accounts in his books it seems he was the point man in the managerial search because he is the one who sounded out all the candidates.
There is no one on the actual board remotely equipped with the requisite football knowledge to counter SAF's commendation. How else would Moyes pass a rigorous selection process given his average resume?
From his book "The seeds of my decision to step down had been planted in the winter of 2012. Around Christmas time the thought became sharp and clear in my head:"Im going to retire"'. Then he goes on to say his wife's sister had died in October and she said it was the right decision. So it sounds like this was a serious thought in his head at Christmas so he surely Mou wasn't locked in that early to Chelsea.
He then says that he met Joel Glazer in New York who tried to to talk him out of retiring and "the discussion turned to who might replace me. There was unanimous agreement - David Moyes was the man"
I remember your previous personality
There are few things that are perfect. We don't have much of a choice.
That in itself shows that it wasn't a case of 'they asked me who, and I told them it was Moyes'. It was a decision that involved many people. Unanimous agreement also doesn't mean that they all mentioned Moyes immediately. It means they all agreed at the very end of the discussion having taken everything into account and whatever they discussed that it should be Moyes. We don't know the content of the conversation and who they discussed, and why they didn't go for A, B or C manager.
Van Gaal was a dead man walking in December, completely resigned to his fate. He wouldn't need Woody's support as he would most likely walk on his own accord and Woody won't stitch his wagon to Van Gaal's because he is at least smart enough to know that he'd go down with him. It is highly likely that sharp disagreements on the way forward after sacking Van Gaal strengthened his position somewhat and gave him a fighting chance.
I also don't think that its a case of Sir Alex not wanting Mourinho at all but of him seeing other candidates as better fits e.g Giggs or Pochettino. Particularly with the renewed focus on youth and all the efforts being made to revitalize the youth system.
Yeah, but you're putting too much emphasis on the wording. This is Fergie's account, written by a ghostwriter. And later on changed his account and claimed other possibilities were just not in the market....
The Glazers could see the CV of Mourinho or Guardiola and think 'Yep, that's the man for us', without Fergie saying a word, but there no way they'd have done that with Moyes. That would require Fergie convincing them. Their lack of knowledge in Football and Fergie's stature would have made it easy to convince them.
Personally I think it was Ferguson who pushed for Moyes and convinced the board to hire him. Probably due to the fact he is Scottish/British (we had never had a foreign manager I think?), was at Everton for a long time punching above his weight despite not doing anything remarkable and was considered a friend. In his book he goes on about how Moyes' dad was from the same area as him in Glasgow. But maybe I am biased against Moyes because when Ferguson retired I didn't even think he was a candidate...I foolishly thought it was Mourinho vs Klopp
"I knew his family background. His father was a coach at Drumchapel where I played as a lad. David Moyes Snr. They have a good family feel about them. Im not saying that's a reason to hire someone but you like to see good foundations in someone appointed to such a high office"
Do you think that the Glazers are in a position to discuss managerial candidates with Fergie or anyone else? I don't think they follow football avidly enough to be that informed and are likely to follow Fergie's lead and agree with him on such an issue.
This is what I think happened and probably the same thing he's trying with Giggs although hopefully it won't work this time!
But surely if you were neighbours to the Texas Chainsaw Massacre farm, you'd be on their plate by now. Those lads dont feck around.
Fine film. Now back on topic.
This plus what @Attila said about his British/Scottish background and his ability to do the long haul.
Sure, Keveen - sure.
You have to keep in mind that not everyone is blessed with your level of sophistication. We're not all professors, you know - or fortune tellers, or whatever it is you do these days.
I'm taking the reports with a massive pinch of salt, obviously, but I'm not really too enamoured by the players that he will apparently be targeting if he gets the job. The latest being Higuain. Just a load of overpriced mercenaries.
I don't think Red Issue can be taken that seriously seen as they call people cnuts if they doubt their stories
Linked to Everton now.
That link first came-up a few weeks ago - logically they might be his best option if he is determined to stay in the league and assuming the powers that be at United decide not to go for him, though I'd still doubt Everton could match the wages or the transfer funds he would demand, irrespective of their new partial owner.
I think it more likely though that the story is planted by Mendes and associates, or that the UK media know their usual amount of feck all and are just filling pages.
It's the daily star....of course he's not going to Everton
I wouldn't worry about that.
I'm not really worried about another club swooping in for him ahead of us... The only worry I would have is the people in charge opting against Mourinho for whatever reason. If we go in for him, he'll come in a heartbeat.
It's the DailyStar which is linking him to Everton. Doesn't matter.
I disagree with this. A caretaker doesn't necessarily have to be the best manager in the world. Sometimes in football a change is best rather than persisting with something clearly wasn't working. We knew what we were getting with keeping Van Gaal,and even then it was clearly not good enough.
Take AVB for example. I still think that he was a superior manager to Do Matteo but at that time,a change was for the best. I think Jose is head and shoulders better than Hiddink,but at that point change was for the best too.
When Bayern fired Van Gaal mid-season,they too didn't immediately have an outstanding candidate in hand to call upon. But that change revitalized the team. It let the shackles of and allowed to salvage their season. It was a proactive and brave decision. We chose to hope for the best when all the signs said otherwise.
What doe that say?
"Mourinho new Man UTD boss. Zlatan is number one target"
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"Mourinho new Man UTD boss. Zlatan is number one target"
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