Succinct and very apt. The levels of paranoia are at a scary height.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Good post!Your are touching on the fear of every fan at the moment, where are we going? We all know what should have be done a long time ago, Van Gaal should have been sacked but it's not happened. Week by week uncertainty has crept more and more in, regarding our manager.We know City,Chelsea, Arsenal,Spurs and Liverpool will get stronger and we are worried,simple as. City are getting a good manager and will attract and spend big. Chelsea will spend big and be given a fresh start with a new manager. Arsenal will bring in one are two but get stronger,even if it's marginal. Spurs are a good side with a good young core of players and great manager.Liverpool have an outstanding manager that gets the most out of a shit Liverpool side,when he gets money and his own players they will be a force again(as much as it pains me to say it).They do need a lot of players though.
Then there is us, a club that is all over the place. Inconsistent results, poor performances, world class players like De Gea and then rubbish like Rojo and Fellaini running around.We have bright prospects like Martial,Rashford and mensah then players in decline like Rooney and Carrick. It's a small unbalanced squad. We have a deluded,arrogant, stubborn,negative manager who has ripped the heart from the club. A man than plans to retire next year but wants to stay another even though everyone wants him gone. We don't have the balls to sort out the next step and do what's right. As supporter's we are powerless to do anything except watch the shit unfold or in our case fall apart.
If you were an attacking player would you want to play under Van Gaal, could he convince anybody in Europe to come in the summer. It makes no sense for him to stay, we are a slow unpredictable side with zero fight or comeback. We need a man to come in and get the job done, no more risks or talk of Ryan Giggs. If we get this decision wrong in the next few weeks we will be in big trouble. It could take five years or longer while others gain ground. Man united need to get back to competing again, none of this can we get top 4 bullshit. We need to be in the top 2 and playing good football again. Mourihno is a winner and our egos are made for each other. He will get us winning again because he's a winner. I hope all them clowns in the board get it together and finally bring Mourihno in, or we may be left behind.
Right and fair should always be a consideration as it is part of integrity and decency. Just because other enterprises are capitalistic pricks doesn't mean we have to be. The world has enough of those. Do you want our fan base to be like Real Madrid's fan base?
One stubborn fool to be replaced and an ego maniac stubborn nut. Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?
I don't think that it would have been a huge number, probably far less than 10m and that for 2 reasons, Chelsea probably gave him less money than the value of his contract and there is no prejudice for Chelsea since United was largely above them.
You really shouldn't talk about Mourinho like that you know..
The directors have a responsibility to all stakeholders, in this respect these are the owners, fans and players who are affected by the effect of an underperforming key employee whose impact is most significant in the club's earnings, results and payable bonuses which affect these three classes of stakeholders. Who has got more integrity, someone who keeps a horribly underperforming cnut for optics sake or someone who takes steps to avert disaster?
For those saying that LVG will definitely be in charge next season no matter what, I have a question for you. If it really was that clear cut why hasn't the club issued a statement stating that LVG will see out his contract with us? That one line statement would kill all of this speculation dead.
The fact that no statement has been forcoming is surely an indication that his position is anything but secure.
The fact that no statement has been forcoming is surely an indication that his position is anything but secure.
There's probably a choice of three reasons for that:
1) They'd much rather LVG take the flak than have it aimed at themselves by publicly supporting him.
2) They've long been planning for life without van Gaal.
3) They haven't made a decision yet/are making it up as they go along via results.
Well good for you that I wasn't.
He will not be here season, no matter what, it's so obvious to me that the decision has long been taken and he's gone. One clear pointer is that there has been no statement either way -Let him win the FA Cup if he can, thank him and enjoy his retirement.
I think he'll be gone in the summer but it'd be silly for the club to say that even if he wasn't getting sacked as they don't know what will happen next season.
Leaving Southampton for spurs isn't comparable to leaving the current Spurs team to manage United. It's fair to assume Poch would be more attracted to being etched in history as the first Spurs manager to win them the league.
Probably, but this season will be his only realistic opportunity to achieve that.
Next season is a black box. He'd probably have prefer to stay with the devil he knows rather than the devil he doesn't (no pun intended).
All speculation though, best saved to discuss in the Poch thread. For now we appear to question the boards ability to get an available and keen Jose let alone a taken Pochetino.
Red Issue (I know, I know) claiming now that SAF and SBC are cooling their opposition to Mourinho
Everyone has their limits. No one can put up up with this crap any longer
Everyone has their limits. No one can put up up with this crap any longer
It doesn't matter what they think, they don't make the decisions, it's all a media invention that they have any say in the matter other than expressing an opinion.
LVG has a maximum of 7 matches in charge and even if he wins them all he's gone.
We hope
That was reported earlier in the week by one of the tabloids
Read their Twitter mate. Can't post any tweets atm
95% of us hope but I'm 100% convinced he's a goner
Probably got it from the Mirror article and hope it's true. Glazers hopefully bribing them
I don't buy any report of SAF even having any opposition to Mourinho. They love each other ffs.
Doubt SAF loves him imo.
Love Sir Alex, but don't believe a word he says
"I am great friends with Jose and we often speak about his future."
"I look at Jose and I see myself reflected in many of the things he does"
They've been friends for years. They always met up after the games to share a bottle of wine.
Fergie did that with many managers. I think of it as, if i was the best manager of the world and had influence at a one of the biggest lubs in the world, would i want a manager who will take away my control and power? or would i want a puppet? We all know how much fergie loved bein in control, i think fergie likes mourinho but not so much that he lets him take what he really loves, control of this club.
When it is put to him that it is difficult to imagine a United manager being allowed to get away with some of Mourinho's behaviour, Charlton says: "You are right. He pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager, though."
But Ferguson admires Mourinho. "He doesn't like him too much, though," Charlton shoots back.
I think there is truth to the stories that Ferguson and Charlton would rather have someone like Moyes and Giggs over Mourinho because of his personality.
"He can manage anywhere, absolutely. I'm not going to put any forecasts on what is going to happen at this club. I won't last forever, but José can manage anywhere, there is no question about that."
I think there's truth on Charlton's side sure, but not on SAF's. I think SAF would love to see him here. He often spoke of his personality and how he has what it takes to lead a club to greatness. If he didn't want him here because of his personality he wouldn't have praised it so often.
That's fair enough mate, but I personally don't believe what Sir Alex says, not anymore. Just his autobiography is an example, filled with contradictions. I have no problem as such, but from the little we've read and heard, I just don't believe he likes JM.
There's all kinds of reasons to blow smoke up people's arses. Sir Alex is a master at it. His motivation and reasons are his own, but I always thought his 'praise' of Mourinho to be excessive and over the top tbh, another reason I don't trust what he says about Jose. I could be totally wrong of course, but it's just my personal take on it.
In any case, we'll see.
If this is true (which I don't really think it is) it's put a slight dent in my opinion of SAF.
As I say, it's a personal opinion, and we'll have to see what happens. I don't say I'm right, just going by what I've read and listened to.
But SAF is a mass of contradictions at times, nothing wrong with that, as long as it doesn't affect the club negatively.
Sure there is, there's all kinds of reasons for a lot of things. Doesn't mean that's the case. You can believe there's a conspiracy or you can take statements as they are. There's all kinds of reasons why SAF would say he loved Ronaldo, does that mean he doesn't? There's no point over analysing things like that thinking there's some kind of hidden agenda otherwise you do it for everything and it hurts your head.
Mate, I haven't said that's the case, I said it's my personal opinion. Just like it's your prerogative to believe what SAF says at face value. I'm cynical usually, so maybe that leads to my opinion, but at the end of the day, it's my opinion only
You do have to say Mourinho has left Chelsea in tatters. The state of them. Lots of shoite players or has been good players who have totally lost it and got rid of a few exciting footballers... One of them destroyed them today.
I just find it strange that he said all these great things about Mourinho and then he decides to give the job to Moyes. And now it's been reported countless times he would rather have Giggs over Mourinho which makes me think its true.
Ah yes, this as well....
Probably got it from the Mirror article and hope it's true. Glazers hopefully bribing them
They don't have to bribe them.
In fact, they don't even have to let them into the board meetings to watch, let alone vote.
I think the easy answer for that is that the papers talk complete bollocks. They don't know any better than we do, it's their job to write articles that sell papers, that's all. How many more completely bogus stories do we need to read before we stop believing what the papers print.
With regards to Moyes, I'm sure he wrote in his book that he didn't choose Moyes, and that Mourinho was his number one choice? Not to mention that I'm sure it was a board decision who to appoint and not purely SAF's and they would have taken a range of things into consideration, only one of which being SAF's opinion and/or recommendation.
SAF is usually pretty astute, but the choices you have mentioned makes you question what his motives are. Desperate to promote British managers, no matter if they are up to the task or not? Who knows.
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