BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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Brophs said:
I could be entirely wrong, but isn't the most logical explanation for the lack of activity that:

We may have agreed a deal with Mourinho when we looked like we wouldn't finish in the top 4. For whatever reason he was to take over at the end of the season and not immediately. It then became apparent, mostly through our rivals being rubbish, that we weren't out of it yet. Obviously, in those circumstances it makes no sense to destabilise the side by announcing a new manager mid-season. The renewed hope probably gave Woody et al pause for thought and, in an ideal world, they'd prefer to stick with the devil they know, albeit if he missed out on the CL then they might be forced to bin him. So now it's a case of either seeing whether LVG can keep his job by scraping into the CL, see out his deal and potentially hand over the reins to Giggs or whether we'll take up the 'agreement' we have with Mourinho. Woodward and the rest would prefer the former, I'm sure, as it allows them to claim that the succession plan they devised has been a success.

I can't see anything happening until CL is decided one way or the other. If we qualify I imagine we'll write off the media coverage of the last few months as fabricated nonsense.
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That is only the most logical explanation if you truly believe the club is run by a bunch of incompetent idiots pulling decisions out or their arses and improvising as they go. Which I'm sure is a popular opinion around here. But I don't buy it.
 
Rado_N said:
Or, we've got an agreement with Mourinho who is contractually bound until the end of the season and so can't take over before then.

If that agreement is in place and done then there's no more to do.

LVG and the squad aren't being told so as to prevent a City style collapse and there's no sense destabilising everything when nothing can change this season anyway.
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My thought since January. As i've said, Mendes saying nothing indicates an agreement is in place somewhere.
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty much this, he is not whoring his client out, why not????
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Whoring his client out? No. Trying to expedite resolution to this saga, yes:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...e-Mourinho-Join-us-not-Manchester-United.html

I think @Brophs is almost certainly correct in his analysis. The club will wait it out (and string the relevant parties along) until top 4 is finalised, in the hope that Van Gaal saves himself and, consequently, their three-year succession plan.
 
If Van Gaal wins FA cup and Top 4, it is very likely he will be here next season. If that's the case(which I believe is). It's is highly unlikely we have told Mourinho he will be the next manager. Talk less of him working on transfers. That's why I believe Jamie Jackson and Duncan Castles lines on this issue. It is possible we have agreed contracts, how much he would earn and so on but that doesn't mean shite.
The way SAF and his people have been going on also suggests nothing has been decided.
Even the El Pais article mentioned that the agreement with Mourinho was riddled with clauses which allowed us to back out.
I just don't think the club is keen on appointing him if we don't have to.
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty much this, he is not whoring his client out, why not????
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has he ever done that for Mourinho, I don't remember him being vocal before Inter and Real madrid.
 
LonelyFire said:
My thought since January. As i've said, Mendes saying nothing indicates an agreement is in place somewhere.
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Yea I'm the same, it's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

If LVG was safe no matter what happens the club would have come out and categorically stated as much.

If getting top 4 was the deciding factor we would be unable to have made any formal agreements with Mourinho and we'd be seeing Mendes whoring him around everywhere and making constant strategic comments to the press.

If Giggs was taking over on a permanent basis it would have happened already.

I refuse to believe there is any state of limbo. People on here love to play armchair CEO and slate Woody as if they have any idea how his job works but there's just no way that he waits until Summer before deciding what to do.
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty much this, he is not whoring his client out, why not????
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It would be absurd, as he doesn't have any decent option out there. It's clear that he wants to manage us, and he doesn't have any potential alternative to put pressure. That's the main reason why I can't believe he's signed since months ago, when we can sit patiently to see how things evolve, if any miracle happens in the team (unlikely, I know), or maybe some other alternatives appear on scene.

I can believe we've been talking with Mourinho and we've got the 'button' ready, if we decide to press it. But it's ridiculous to suggest that he's signed months ago when there's no reasons to act fast, leaving ourselves without margin to be flexible with months of competition ahead.

If we avoid his signature as I think we'll end up doing (just a personal feeling, no evidence), I guess he'll be offered to some different clubs, or maybe a national team. In any of these cases I see the sense of going out to claim anything in public.
 
I'm now beginning to think Ferguson is going to come out on top and Van Gaal will stay.

Ferguson wins again.
 
Adisa said:
If Van Gaal wins FA cup and Top 4, it is very likely he will be here next season. If that's the case(which I believe is). It's is highly unlikely we have told Mourinho he will be the next manager. Talk less of him working on transfers. That's why I believe Jamie Jackson and Duncan Castles lines on this issue. It is possible we have agreed contracts, how much he would earn and so on but that doesn't mean shite.
The way SAF and his people have been going on also suggests nothing has been decided.
Even the El Pais article mentioned that the agreement with Mourinho was riddled with clauses which allowed us to back out.
I just don't think the club is keen on appointing him if we don't have to.
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Exactly.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah but we did eventually sack Moyes 2 years ago so logic did prevail.
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Logic did not prevail.
We waited until the season was completely ruined. By the time we got rid of him, it was already too late.
And this sesaon, after the disastrous December, we should've got rid of him, but once again, we hung on and will probably only sack him, if he has completely wrecked the season.
 
Loon said:
I'm now beginning to think Ferguson is going to come out on top and Van Gaal will stay.

Ferguson wins again.
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Ferguson has no say in this. Neither does Charlton. You can read into the stories all you like but the power lies with the Glazers, Richard Arnold, and Ed Woodward. Absolutely no-one else.
 
Rado_N said:
Yea I'm the same, it's the only explanation that makes sense to me.

If LVG was safe no matter what happens the club would have come out and categorically stated as much.

If getting top 4 was the deciding factor we would be unable to have made any formal agreements with Mourinho and we'd be seeing Mendes whoring him around everywhere and making constant strategic comments to the press.

If Giggs was taking over on a permanent basis it would have happened already.

I refuse to believe there is any state of limbo. People on here love to play armchair CEO and slate Woody as if they have any idea how his job works but there's just no way that he waits until Summer before deciding what to do.
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We could have made agreements exactly of the type described in El Pais, enough to placate Mourinho and keep him on ice should he be needed but with legal wriggle room to back out should Van Gaal turn things around and achieve his minimum top 4 target.
 
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet but on the Sunday Supplement(Yes I know I only have myself to blame)a couple of them were saying Van Gaal has already finish pre season plans for next season. And also that he(Van Gaal)has won a battle with commercial side of United, who wanted to play more games in pre season, where as Van Gaal only wanted two(Dortmund and City in China).
 
Infra-red said:
We could have made agreements exactly of the type described in El Pais, enough to placate Mourinho and keep him on ice should he be needed but with legal wriggle room to back out should Van Gaal turn things around and achieve his minimum top 4 target.
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An agreement with Mourinho that lets us bail it we make top four would not placate him. Not at all.
 
LonelyFire said:
Ferguson has no say in this. Neither does Charlton. You can read into the stories all you like but the power lies with the Glazers, Richard Arnold, and Ed Woodward. Absolutely no-one else.
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You talk like Moyes never happened.
 
Rado_N said:
An agreement with Mourinho that lets us bail it we make top four would not placate him. Not at all.
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He's the one desperate to be our manager. He's not going to dictate when we sack our manager. You yourself admitted he has little options left. Di Marzio and El Pais are the main sources saying he's likely to be the manager. Even Di Marzio says nothing is signed(gentleman agreement). And El Pais who have been the only ones to give details say the club has installed clauses to back out that we are unsure.
 
Loon said:
You talk like Moyes never happened.
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At the end of the day the Glazers followed SAF's advices, no one forced them and therefore they are the only one responsible.
 
JPRouve said:
At the end of the day the Glazers followed SAF's advices, no one forced them and therefore they are the only one responsible.
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Exactly. I'm not sure Ferguson's input has been completely shunned after the Moyes debacle.

Ferguson will not decide, that's not what I'm saying, but I think his opinion and counsel is still considered.

Being as gifted as he is, he might, I say MIGHT, have delivered a persuasive argument to convince the Glazers.
 
Adisa said:
He's the one desperate to be our manager. He's not going to dictate when we sack our manager. You yourself admitted he has little options left. Di Marzio and El Pais are the main sources saying he's likely to be the manager. Even Di Marzio says nothing is signed(gentleman agreement). And El Pais who have been the only ones to give details say the club has installed clauses to back out that we are unsure.
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I think it's done. Regardless of what journalists are or aren't claiming, it's my personal belief that it's agreed and he's taking over in summer.

I expect a formal agreement is in place that satisfies both parties and if that contained a clause saying he only gets the job if we fail to get top 4 then he'd be looking at other options via Mendes.

There may well be financial break clauses in there, but no way do the Glazers put a £10m break clause in an agreement they have even a slight chance of maybe breaking.
 
Wasn't that cnut Castles the first to break Mourinho back to Chelsea? I think he was.
 
JPRouve said:
At the end of the day the Glazers followed SAF's advices, no one forced them and therefore they are the only one responsible.
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The point he is responding to though is that 'Ferguson has no say in this' but the Moyes decision dictates otherwise. I doubt SAF has final say on any matter but I would imagine as one of the best managers ever to grace the game and a club legend that those who have the final say would often defer to his knowledge and experience.
 
Rado_N said:
I think it's done. Regardless of what journalists are or aren't claiming, it's my personal belief that it's agreed and he's taking over in summer.

I expect a formal agreement is in place that satisfies both parties and if that contained a clause saying he only gets the job if we fail to get top 4 then he'd be looking at other options via Mendes.

There may well be financial break clauses in there, but no way do the Glazers put a £10m break clause in an agreement they have even a slight chance of maybe breaking.
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That's another point. We don't know if Mendes isn't looking at other options.
 
GBBQ said:
The point he is responding to though is that 'Ferguson has no say in this' but the Moyes decision dictates otherwise. I doubt SAF has final say on any matter but I would imagine as one of the best managers ever to grace the game and a club legend that those who have the final say would often defer to his knowledge and experience.
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I love you. You get me.
 
Adisa said:
That's another point. We don't know if Mendes isn't looking at other options.
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If he was you can be damn well sure we'd hear about it. Mendes isn't one for subtlety.

Mourinho will be our manager next season, and I for one can't wait.
 
Rado_N said:
An agreement with Mourinho that lets us bail it we make top four would not placate him. Not at all.
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Well we wouldn't get away free, El Pais say there's a £15m comp agreement written into the terms of the pre-contract.
 
GBBQ said:
The point he is responding to though is that 'Ferguson has no say in this' but the Moyes decision dictates otherwise. I doubt SAF has final say on any matter but I would imagine as one of the best managers ever to grace the game and a club legend that those who have the final say would often defer to his knowledge and experience.
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The Moyes decision was 2013 and ended up a disaster. Ferguson was completely immersed in the decision making process at that time and come the end of Moyes tenure, he had no say at all. He was not involved in the appointment of LVG (and his opinion was not sought either). He has his opinion on whats right and is peddling that through the media just now but that doesn't mean the Glazers are courting his opinion. The "Executive" board exists for a reason.
 
Rado_N said:
He's been pretty quiet for a man who loves the press.
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I must have missed it but when did Mendes get a reputation for always talking to the press. He does interviews once in a while and to my knowledge that has always been the case. He's certainly not a Raiola or a Seluk. Touting his clients here and there.
 
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