He refused to have a DOF at inter. That wish was granted to him and he won the treble
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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He refused to have a DOF at inter. That wish was granted to him and he won the treble
Jesus Christ, it's a hypothetical. We do have to kick the ball, you know that right?
Don't forget RVN and Becks who's careers were hardly over going to Real....
What a news this was to wake up to! Hopefully it will be reality in summer 
Woke up an hour ago and spent most of it going through this thread. Great news. Really hope we can win Van Gaal the FA cup and for our sake get top 4.
Mourinho is the man for the job...
Kind of irrelevant debating it tbf. None of us have a say in the matter and we are all still going to support United in the morning no matter what.
Frank O Farrell? Try David Moyes
Yeah why bother doing that on a forum, eh?
People do not remain static as they pass through life.
There is also the reality that he is now older, even more experineced and mature. And he will requires all his previous career and personal life experiences to succeed at Old Trafford, should he be appointed.
Likewise he will also have been further influenced in his footballing philosophy and acquired a much broader range of strategies and tactics since he turned up at Chelsea in 2004.
A modern day Mourinho could be the real deal as to what our club requires right now. I believe he can set teams up to play devastating counter attack football as well as help young footballers get better.
With the encouragement of a supportive board and 75,000+ home matching going fans, he will be a bundle of arrogant energy that the club desperately needs right now. Every player he attracts is one player less than City, Liverpool or Arsenal can get and his aura would easily compete with Pep, Klopp and the rest.
I wanted him straight after SAF, think the last 3 years has been a complete waste of time, but better late than never, I'd be over the moon to be part of Mouinho's army and am conviced he would lead us to many glories.
If top 4 isn't enough for LvG, why would it be for Mourinho?
Correct, short term gain for long term pain.
And what kind of long term gain we gain having moyes and lvg?
What long term pain are you talking about? Are you saying that Inter's downfall was of his own doing?
So everyone is just going to forget about Chelseas current season? Like it isnt happening?
Yup. That seems to be a strong consensus among most here. Don't even get started on his RM stint because in some alternate world Jose got the better of Pep.
Jose, like Pep, is a short term solution. The club better have a shortlist for a new manager in 3 years.
Chelsea current season is surely a blight on his record, but great coaches have gone out on similar circumstances. What I take issues with is this consensus that he laid waste to every clubs he's ever managed, which is patently untrue. Porto, Chelsea 1st stint, Madrid all continued to do well, Inter he won the treble and Moratti pulled the plug on spending because of family pressure and the economy going to shit, and they finished 2nd the immediate season after he left anyway. This much vaunted 'scorched earth approach' is a total myth.
The main concerns people have about Mourinho are-
- Poor Behavior on and off the field
- Does not trust youth players
- Plays defensive football
- Likely to leave in 2/3 seasons
Nah, he definately will, especially with Pep in the EPL aswell. You can be sure of it.
Blood pressure tablets
Try reading and comprehending. I'm not against getting Mourinho. I'm against the idea of giving him full control and not having a DoF. Because after a handful of years, Mourinho will be gone and we'll have an aging squad with the next manager looking at (yet another) expensive rebuild. We simply can't keep doing that forever.
See above. City are able to sign Pep not just because of having loads of money, but because of long term planning and an excellent structure being put into place. I'd rather not get Mourinho if our long term future gets compromised, even if he wins us a treble of trebles.
True, so let's restructure the footballing organization of the club and have some continuity with that. The managers can (and almost certainly will) come and go.
You are on a hiding to nothing trying to find a 'long term solution' in the modern game.
I don't think it's as black and white as that. You can appoint a good head of youth development and let him revamp the youth structure, and inform the manager of the progress, while Mourinho can have a free reign to impose his vision of the team. The mythical DoF that will preserve our identity and ensure continuity is just a cop out to all the problems we are facing. If anything, there are more instances of DoF and head coach/manager not working well together and undermine the team as a whole. As for money, I'd say as long as we stay reasonably successful, anyone heading us can be free to spend what he wants. Our revenue streams are huge.
I hate DOF. Managers should have complete control especially when you're talking about the best manager in the world like Mourinho.
I've used the term "DoF" pretty loosely tbf, ans not referring to a single person looking after footballing matters. But there's a definite need to have football people looking after the football part of the business. The most successful clubs in this decade have that in common. That is the future. We can't keep being scared of a DoF having a fight with the manager. If we want to catch up with teams, we need to wake the feck up.
That's what inter wanted
Cause we are in our second year with LvG and we have seen some serious regression in terms of performance. Also lvg was meant to act as Tutor for our long term manager. I guess United have now doubts on the tutor or on the one being tutored or both.
Difficult for me to vote on this because circumstances dictate that Mourinho is the obvious choice. I personally would have liked to have seen Giggs have a go, and bring Rene Meulensteen back into the coaching set up with Scholes and Rio perhaps. But this wont happen, not yet anyway. Moyes and LVG were choices for the football purists, and the club was praised for installing both. However, the purist approach has backfired, so its time for the special one. He's an arrogant egocentric winner who loves being all over the back pages as much as the players. United fans and sponsors are demanding that united be at the top lifting trophies very quickly, and he's definitely got the knowhow. Love him or hate him, he's the obvious choice. I've always liked him because he's a character the premier league needs, but I've always felt that United were too pure for him. After failed managerial relationships, they're both now seen as needing each other, and I can't wait to see what the chemistry will spark.
We will finally appoint the man we should have after fergie's retirement. The only positive of this delayed appointment is that he has something to prove again. A kick up the back side that he probably needed after so much success. The perfect answer to the guardiola appointment. I will feel 10 times more confident going into next season with jose than with any other manager that we can sign. Would love to see how we line up under him. Hopefully we will announce the deal very soon. Maybe after Chelsea game.
I was for Mourinho taking over and still am ok with it but why end of the season, am starting to feel sorry for LVG & Pelligrini, its not nice the barrage of uncertainty over their futures whilst the media revels in it.
I like the idea of Mourinho taking over in the summer even if Van Gaal misses his CL target. I'd rather a clean slate and a fresh start, with him having done a bit of homework in the closing months of this season.
Mourinho is the man for the job...
Kind of irrelevant debating it tbf. None of us have a say in the matter and we are all still going to support United in the morning no matter what.
Frank O Farrell? Try David Moyes
I was with Moyes right up until he said we had to try and emulate City. That was the reality finally slapping me in the face that he was never going to succeed at United.
I can understand people hating Jose for whatever reason, but to equate Inter's treble to Liverpool's Uefa cup, fa cup and league cup one is just nonsensical.
Especially considering that Inter beat Barca in the semis, and Bayern in the final of that tournament. Liverpool beat f'n Alaves to win the Uefa cup, and conceded 4 goals
in that final too.
Great news. Detractors can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. This isn't a Moyes we're potentially hiring and all you cnuts supported him (so support Jose when arrives you hypocrites).
All managers view the game in the short term, even Fergie, he was just a master at transitioning from one short term plan to another. It's the job of the owners to be longsighted, not the manager.
I'm sure Pelligrini was told at the start of the season that Pep would be replacing him. When Van Gaal said he would be retiring at the end of his contract, its hardly inspiring to the club's ambitions.
Well, that's a shame.
The club are pushed into a corner with City signing Pep. The club cannot afford any more experiments. Although I will not enjoy his antics and playing style with me being a traditionalist and an old romantic (4-4-2), I don't think United have a choice and there's no one out there with as good a CV and stature as Mourinho.
Words of wisdom and I agree 100% with sammsky1, who btw is one of the best posters around.
Mou is probably the closest we get to SAF regarding winning mentality and knowledge how to run a giant supertanker like Manchester United. Many younger supporters underestimate the task it is to running such a big animal. You must love the attention, to be in the spotlight every day, the pressure and the expectations to come along with managing Britains most successful club ever. Only a very few can do this and the Portuguese is one of them. With a background of managing Porto, Chelsea, Inter and Real Madrid he knows exactly what's in front of him. Compare that to Moyes, and this is the reason Giggs was never a serious alternative. You simply don't put a rookie, or someone who don't know the Universe to take care of a spaceship going to the moon.
I welcome José Mourinho with open arms. Managing Unted will be his final legacy, the club who complete his CV, his chance to get a revenge against his critics, his chance to finally go from being a upcoming street wise country boy to be regarded as one of the finest.
With this in mind I'm certain he will do his best in every department. Including behave with dignity. That's why I want him more then ever.
I know its the right thing to do for the club but it doesn't sit right with me however, its unfolding.
We're going to see Mata playing out of his skin these next few months.
Pellegrini has known for a long while about Pep. He even did that strange interview talking up the idea of Pep taking over. It's the end of his contract so it's not like he is being kicked out.
As for Van Gaal, I have a theory that it's him that has asked to leave as he's realised he's not the man for the job and isn't going to hit the targets he has set. He's looking forward to retiring and enjoying Portugal with his wife.
I think Woodward persuaded him to stay until the end of the season (and probably receive mutual termination rather than resign) as there just isn't any reliable interim managers around.
It would also coincide with him throwing more caution to the wind tactically. He probably feels some of the pressure is off and he can roll the dice.
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