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BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Tabloids, broadsheets, UWS, Red News etc
No smoke without fire. Or whatever the saying is
Fixed. Which brings me back to my original point - our fans are laying into our legends based on idle speculation, a lot of it originating from agenda pushing scum from red issue
But again though, you don't have to even be aware of what red issue have to say
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/dec/07/bobby-charlton-jose-mourinho-manchester-united
You say opinions may have changed and that's fair enough but, it's right there in black and white. Charlton says he and Fergie don't like him. As I say, you don't need Red Issue for this. You say about speculation but, I'm stating a fact that Charlton and Fergie don't like him. You're speculating their opinion might have changed
For the record, I'm not signed up with Red Issue and never will be but, used to enjoy their mag when they published one
Taking about facts, here's one in absolute black and white, and should tell you which speculation about our legends can be safely ignored - Neither Fergie or BC are in the executive board of directors. I.e, their opinion is no more than exactly that - an opinion.
If the likes of you still want to paint their faces black, there's nothing more to say.
Don't read the tabloids, have not seen it anywhere else. That article is also from 2012, most of what he said strikes me of being firm to ensure that his word is not taken the wrong way. That is my view of it though.
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Nice to see I'm not the only trini in the mains
How is it a fact that Charlton and Fergie don't like him? Can you link me to something that substantiates that?
Apologies, didn't mean it as a personal attack."The likes of me"
Eh, the link in the post you quoted?! The line where Charlton said Mourinho pontificates too much for his liking and that Fergie doesn't like him?!
Ha don't worry about it. You're alright. Did make me smile though
I naturally think the worst but, something is wrong. Fergie's ever changing story of the Moyes episode and LvG somehow still hanging around like a boil on your arse, there's just something that doesn't feel right to me
Thanks didn't see the link. Wasn't aware that Charlton had actually stated Fergie didn't like Mourinho and even if it's true think he's way out of line in saying so.
Well its there, nobody can deny it. The only question is...why was Charlton so open in this interview.
We can't forget that Sir Alex thought Moyes was a good choice (that is a fact) when most people could see it was not. Therefore it's not too much of a stretch to believe that at the very least, his idea of who the United manager should be is based on some pretty flawed logic. Whether that belief is from a professional, or has been widely suggested or hinted at, his need to continue exerting control, is irrelevant really, as we have proof (in Moyes), that he can make a flawed managerial decision.
I don't have a problem with him not wanting Mourinho, the problem is pushing Giggs who has no experience to arrest the slide the club finds itself in. It doesn't seem as if he's suggesting any other good and 'gettable' candidate. It's just Giggs or bust. Quite frankly, it's not just Mourinho, but any other candidate is not going to put up with Sir Alex interfering in their job. He's therefore left with Giggs. It's weird because someone as brilliant as Sir Alex should surely be aware of what a huge risk Giggs is, not just for the club, but also the fact that Giggs failing would mean he loses all 'control' forever. Why risk it?
In any case, if we have this pre-contract, I doubt very much the tight arsed Glazers would forego £15M for essentially getting nothing in return.
What needs to happen if any of this story is true, is that Glazers and Woodward stop playing games and lay the law down with the Sirs. You can't have this interference when it comes to doing what's right for the club. Plus, the other critical issue is that if Mourinho comes in the pressure will be ramped up via press and ex players (just like with LVG (even though he hasn't helped himself), and that will cause another disruption for the team again. This can be hugely damaging and unlike LVG, Mourinho is very emotional and will react, perhaps quite badly. We have to avoid this, and so Woodward and Glazers need to be firm about this.
I don't have a problem with him not wanting Mourinho, the problem is pushing Giggs who has no experience to arrest the slide the club finds itself in. It doesn't seem as if he's suggesting any other good and 'gettable' candidate. It's just Giggs or bust. Quite frankly, it's not just Mourinho, but any other candidate is not going to put up with Sir Alex interfering in their job. He's therefore left with Giggs. It's weird because someone as brilliant as Sir Alex should surely be aware of what a huge risk Giggs is, not just for the club, but also the fact that Giggs failing would mean he loses all 'control' forever. Why risk it?
In any case, if we have this pre-contract, I doubt very much the tight arsed Glazers would forego £15M for essentially getting nothing in return.
What needs to happen if any of this story is true, is that Glazers and Woodward stop playing games and lay the law down with the Sirs. You can't have this interference when it comes to doing what's right for the club. Plus, the other critical issue is that if Mourinho comes in the pressure will be ramped up via press and ex players (just like with LVG (even though he hasn't helped himself), and that will cause another disruption for the team again. This can be hugely damaging and unlike LVG, Mourinho is very emotional and will react, perhaps quite badly. We have to avoid this, and so Woodward and Glazers need to be firm about this.
Because he believed we would never have cause to hire him? Maybe..
He says "he doesn't like him to much, though" it sounds more like a cheeky notion that when they play against each other he wouldn't gush and lay down the red carpet for him.
Yes it's sorta understandable, bad times tend to bring out bad thoughts.Ha don't worry about it. You're alright. Did make me smile though
I naturally think the worst but, something is wrong. Fergie's ever changing story of the Moyes episode and LvG somehow still hanging around like a boil on your arse, there's just something that doesn't feel right to me
As for LvG, I personally believe in the simplest of explanations. It's that Mourinho can't be hired this season and the board don't trust/Giggs doesn't want the caretaker position.
The other interesting thing is that, for all his faults, the team still appear to be playing for LvG. Remember, they'd all but given up during the end days of Moyes. Perhaps that's another factor in letting LvG carry on. I don't agree with it anymore though, surely there must be someone decent out there who could be hired to see the season out for us?
Ha don't worry about it. You're alright. Did make me smile though
I naturally think the worst but, something is wrong. Fergie's ever changing story of the Moyes episode and LvG somehow still hanging around like a boil on your arse, there's just something that doesn't feel right to me
Im 33 years of age and learnt a few times.to never say never. I guess a man of SBC age, experience, football acumen should know even more.
When you are that age, you don't give a feck.
Added to the fact that this Giggs nonsense wouldn't last five seconds in a board meeting if it wasn't coming from someone held in high regard by the Glazers. People are joking if they thought that the Glazers don't put any weight on what SAF said given the way he served the club and supported them when he was manager.
Precisely. This Giggs nonsense is only coming from agenda pushing fan forums and thick as shit ex players. Safely ignorable.
I'll tell you one thing, there are legitmate reasons for not wanting Mourinho and I say that because I, too, do have some doubts. My doubts come from his tendency to blame others when things go wrong, his behaviour in the press at times, neglect of youth and the fact that unlike Guardiola or the great scouse hope Klopp he is not purist - he will achieve great things but they aren't sustainable because there is no underlying ethos to his methods.
As for Sir Alex, he does have power at United though not as powerful as Woodward but he can exert influence and without his influence the Giggs push for the job wouldn't have traction. In fact Giggs wouldn't have been AM without Sir Alex's influence.
I would be in the same boat with SAF if he wasn't pushing a complete novice to manage us in what would be a heavyweight league next season. If he can deliver a more 'acceptable' candidate then I'm all for it. Otherwise let's just accept that we do need this hired gun to get us back on track.
Pretty reliable combo of Torres & El Pais. Gives you some insight into the speculation of the past 4 months and how it fit together - the ability to back out remains genius negotiating by Mendes & Mou who make money without having to do anything. United unable to have a consensus on Mou underscores just how treacherous the path can be to go down the Mouhole
Well I'm not a huge Mourinho fan by any means either. I'd have at least a couple of other managers instead of him. However, Mourinho vs Giggs is no competition at all.
Coming back to Giggs. If you really do believe Fergie has much of a say and is heavily pushing for Giggs, there's absolutely no reason why he hasn't already been appointed. Unless you also believe Fergie is pushing for Giggs to only take over next season?!
Everything points towards a Mourinho decision having already been taken.
Go back to 2014 and there is an interview Fergie gave right after Moyes was sacked, I believe it was his first after the event, where he literally endorsed Giggs for the job. Then his second book... Fergie, himself, originated this Giggs nonsense. I fear that by putting him on the spot like that its now impossible for Giggs to continue at United under or working with another manager because trust issues would naturally rise - every time Scholes opens his yob Mourinho, a paranoid individual, would look towards Giggs with hostility and suspicion.
Basically if by chance we make top 4 united will give 15 million to jose as only then Lvg wont be sacked. Its a good business deal, see if we get into champions league then 15 million wont matter. If we dont then we take mourinho. I think its a common ground for everyone. We need to lose to city for better of the club.
I'll have to check back those interviews. As for Giggs, he too should be sacked for being part of this failed coaching regime. Would be utter madness if he's allowed to continue, exactly due to the reasons you have put forward. Can't see Mourinho agreeing to it either
Exactly.
It's one thing doing this stuff to LVG who is planning on retiring so probably doesn't care - but quite another for another younger manager. I'm telling you, Woodward needs to be firm here and nip this ex players and such campaign in the bud, otherwise we're not going to progress. As I said above, Jose is emotional, and won't be able to shrug off any internal 'politics' as well as LVG has done so far. This would not help our team if the new United manager is continually undermined from within. And at the end of the day all we care about as supporters is the team performance - there should be no internal issues that hinder that.
I believe that Fergie has a say but his word is not absolute. It is, however, given weight hence the pre-contract which is basically Woodward saying get me Pochettino or we are getting Mourinho. Whilst £15m is not pocket change it does show how much importance is being placed on the next appointment and the fact that Woodward has hedged his bets tells me that he has closed the Giggs avenue but will be willing to consider anyone else so he has listened to SAF but not completely.
Could well be, but SBC represents a certain organisation and for the best intrest of this organisation he should keep all option open.
Yes, that hypothesis does make some sense.
You dont quote the full comment and you take a comment and give it your own spin.
"You are right. He pontificates too much for my liking. He's a good manager, though."
Why did you leave out the final bit about him thinking Mourinho is a good manager?
Also "But Ferguson admires Mourinho. "He doesn't like him too much, though," Charlton shoots back."
That doesnt state he doesnt like Mourinho, it states he admires him but Charlton doesnt think he likes him too much. Depending on the tone, intonation and context that can be taken a couple of ways.
There is a real possibility that Chelsea inserted a clause in Jose's severance package that prohibits him for taking another Premier league job this season. So, this pre-contract is a way to secure him for next season and stop him from talking to other clubs, while at the same time not letting it become an issue like Pep's taking over has become at City.
Not everything thing points to SAF's and SBC's plan to sabotage this club. People need to relax a bit with these conspiracy theories.
The fans are just as paranoid. It can be interpreted as opportunistic journalism to keep shoving ex players comments down your throat because it makes them quick click cash. At the end of the day, impatience has its fingers firmly gripped on the fan base.
Wow, you're not actually Insane eh?
Wow, you're not actually Insane eh?
Nope, still insane for always saying it as it is.
I said, in a post before the one you quoted, that there are legitimate reasons for anyone not wanting Mourinho. Imo not wanting Mourinho in doesn't equate to sabotage if you can bring in someone acceptable however an attitude of anyone but Mourinho isn't good because we've gone down that road before and people should know better.
The stories of Fergie and co not wanting Mourinho to the extent of pushing hard for Giggs have been all over the media for months and the behaviour of some people around Giggs makes it hard for people to dismiss these stories. This article is by someone in Spain, right? So even there they know of this division.
£15million if we don't sign Mourinho is ridiculous. Add that to the money we'll have to pay off LvG, plus any compensation to the club we take a manager from and we'll be the best part of £25million out of pocket.
Even if LvG qualifies for CL over the EL, the money difference is no way near as wide as it used to be, the extra CL money will be swallowed up by the £25million.
Woodward is a money man, he won't be happy throwing that sort of money away, I'm hoping it points to the possibility of us signing Mourinho as pretty much certain.
All the above assumes LvG is sacked, which I cannot see any other way, it also assumes Giggs is not in the running, which I also cannot see happening as it already would have.
Even if LvG qualifies for CL over the EL, the money difference is no way near as wide as it used to be, the extra CL money will be swallowed up by the £25million.
Woodward is a money man, he won't be happy throwing that sort of money away, I'm hoping it points to the possibility of us signing Mourinho as pretty much certain.
All the above assumes LvG is sacked, which I cannot see any other way, it also assumes Giggs is not in the running, which I also cannot see happening as it already would have.
I am simply trying to make sense, if this latest report is true, why we'll sign Jose on a pre-contract and not a full contract yet.
The papers, whether it's from England, Spain or Timbuktu, have a penchant for exaggerating things to get clicks. I am sure in the discussion regarding the next manager there are plenty of agreements and disagreements; which are all part of a decision making process. We wouldn't want it other way. I cannot believe that someone has taken a stern stand against Jose and is actively trying to stop his appointment.
I also wouldn't put too much credence in to what Robbo or any other ex-player is saying. They are probably asked what they think of Giggs as our next manager and have given their opinion on him like an ex-colleague or a friend would give. I don't see it as a concerted effort from them to get Giggs the job.
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