BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho

Would you be happy to see Jose Mourinho become next United manager?

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United has done good business here. He had to be signed up before the summer because of agreements he had in the Chelsea setup.

It will make no difference if LvG make top 4 our not, José Mourinho will be our next manager. Its done.
 
jojojo said:
I wouldn't necessarily take that £15m too literally, even if the article is right on the principle, the details might be rather different. The motives of the individuals leaking these stories will always be to show themselves/their clients in their best light - whether that's as tough negotiators or valuable commodities.

What if it's actually structured as a non-refundable deposit, so if we keep Mourinho on hold until the start of May it costs us £5m, an insurance policy in effect. Whereas if we want to keep him hanging around any longer (which would effectively cost him a clean start with a new job and might cost him a year's pay) we have to pay another £10m. There's no way we'll know what the actual contract looks like unless the clause gets activated and somebody puts it on footyleaks in a few years time.
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Regarding the leaks I think it's fair to say that someone wants to test the waters. Maybe as a counter to all pro Giggs reports. There is no way this information would be released without all involved give their approval. There are financial penalties if only one part leak this.

As far as I can see this is a done deal, more or less. The only thing that can prevent this to go through is if Mourinho lose his legal battle against Canerio. That's why I think they will settle before court.
 
LeftyBlaster said:
If the reports are true about this pre-contract, there's no way in hell Louis is staying, top 4 or not. It probably is a way to make sure we get him after his highly probable non-compete with Chelsea wears out.
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Ah right, thanks. So if these reports are true we can expect to see him in the summer no matter what happens for the rest of this season then. Thank feck for that.
 
Acquire Me said:
United has done good business here. He had to be signed up before the summer because of agreements he had in the Chelsea setup.

It will make no difference if LvG make top 4 our not, José Mourinho will be our next manager. Its done.
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Ah forgot about that. THis might well be it. But wouldnt signing a pre contract also violate any non-compete clause in his Chelsea contract?
Edit: Probably wouldnt if the final contract comes into affect when his non-compete clause is no longer in retribution I guess.
 
Acquire Me said:
United has done good business here. He had to be signed up before the summer because of agreements he had in the Chelsea setup.

It will make no difference if LvG make top 4 our not, José Mourinho will be our next manager. Its done.
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You're gonna get so much shit on here if it doesn't happen and Mou then claims we never even spoke :lol:
 
To speculate that either Fergie or Charlton or both want Giggs as the next manager doesn't amount to a conspiracy theory. It doesn't mean they hate Maureen either, for that matter.

There could be some truth to the “power struggle” without there being an iota of truth to the actual conspiracy part peddled by the likes of RI.

We all know Fergie doesn't have a vote, or executive power, but he is still a major figure at the club – both symbolically (obviously) and as an actual “football man” still formally tied to the club.

Some seem to completely ignore the latter and regard Fergie and Charlton as utterly peripheral figures who barely know anything about what goes on in Woody's office. Well, if that's the case, where's Woody getting his input from? Relying on his own, vast football knowledge? Or LVG's? Or does he prefer to consult other clubs' “football people” rather than hiring his own?
 
Amir said:
Fergie had absolutely no problem making it clear when he didn't like other managers - Benitez, Wenger at times. I'm not sure why we should believe he acts as if he likes Mourinho but really doesn't want him anywhere near.
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I think he realised that Mou was a different level to those guys on and off the pitch and he had to take a different approach. But I agree, Fergie did genuinely like him.
 
Again with the power struggle nonsense, it really doesn't make any sense to me.

Why would fergie want control? he may have underestimated himself and made a mistake choosing moyes, but he never interfered, nothing but support for moyes, the same with van gaal.

Fergie is pretty much retired now, his role with the club is an ambassadorial role, he has no say in anything, same as SBC.

Woodward is in charge, and i think initially he was on board the giggs train, you can tell by how van gaal used to always suggest that giggs will be our next manager that it was something planned by the club for the future when we hired van gaal, which i think would've been ok with most people had van gaal been a great success, but the failure of the van gaal project meant we can't take a chance on giggs anymore, there's just no point.

The only reason van gaal hasn't been sacked is that woodward believes in him, van gaal was his signing and he's desperate for him to succeed, fergie has no say in this neither he has any say in who will be our next manager.
 
Rob Bowman said:
Okay....

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/19/jose-mourinho-manchester-united-pre-contract

This is welcome news from my perspective based on the fact that we are going no where right now nor do I see Giggs as an alternative. It is also very understandable. Jose most likely had a clause saying no EPL jobs and this pre contract takes him off the table from other European clubs but also lets him get ready for the work ahead here.

Now am I thrilled with Jose... not in the least.

I am sure he will have a point to prove based on what happened at Chelsea and I am also sure he will not last long (he has never lasted more than 3 years anywhere). This means we will get a manager with some questionable behavior, but also a long clear history of trophies. Thus we are wise we appoint Jose and can really use his strengths to help us short term while we completely understand some of his not so strong suits. So get some good results for about 3 years and all the while we get ready to appoint our next manager that fits all of the criteria we would like- 1) Attacking football 2) Winning Silverware 3) Promoting youth and 4) Longevity.

So again based on where we are this sounds great news to me. Get him on board, get the ship righted and immediately start working on what we need after Jose.
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That doesn't really tell that much.

Porto: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Chelsea after winning the CL
Inter: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Real after winning the CL
Chelsea: In the third season he won the FA Cup, Carling Cup and finished 2nd behind Ferguson
Real: In the third season he won the Super Cup, lost the Copa del Rey final and went to the CL semi finals.

It's only in his third season during his second Chelsea spell that it went really tits up.
 
Insanity said:
There is a real possibility that Chelsea inserted a clause in Jose's severance package that prohibits him for taking another Premier league job this season. So, this pre-contract is a way to secure him for next season and stop him from talking to other clubs, while at the same time not letting it become an issue like Pep's taking over has become at City.

Not everything thing points to SAF's and SBC's plan to sabotage this club. People need to relax a bit with these conspiracy theories.
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Exactly there are many other possibilities other than a power struggle behind the scenes like for example what if the pre contract has nothing got to do with looking for other alternatives but just simply is so they can get their man while not having to deal with the situation like at City where the annoucement of the manager destabilises the club and has them playing even worse (hard to imagine we can play much worse but still)
 
Chesterlestreet said:
To speculate that either Fergie or Charlton or both want Giggs as the next manager doesn't amount to a conspiracy theory. It doesn't mean they hate Maureen either, for that matter.

There could be some truth to the “power struggle” without there being an iota of truth to the actual conspiracy part peddled by the likes of RI.

We all know Fergie doesn't have a vote, or executive power, but he is still a major figure at the club – both symbolically (obviously) and as an actual “football man” still formally tied to the club.

Some seem to completely ignore the latter and regard Fergie and Charlton as utterly peripheral figures who barely know anything about what goes on in Woody's office. Well, if that's the case, where's Woody getting his input from? Relying on his own, vast football knowledge? Or LVG's? Or does he prefer to consult other clubs' “football people” rather than hiring his own?
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If both are having an influence and they get their way, by appointing giggs, I fear these 2 will learn another hard lesson much like appointing Moyes, and the one's who have to put up with this crap is the fans. I do not like these agenda driven appointments, its bad for the club, the fans have to sit through this crap, and instead of appointing the right guy, its the wrong people sinking us to new lows. They want united to be like Barcelona, appoint managers from within the club, one problem? we do not have the right set up to do this, what Barcelona have done is very rare the likes we may not see for a long long time. United have to fall in line like the rest, and if we appoint giggs this mess keeps on going and going
 
SirAF said:
That doesn't really tell that much.

Porto: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Chelsea after winning the CL
Inter: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Real after winning the CL
Chelsea: In the third season he won the FA Cup, Carling Cup and finished 2nd behind Ferguson
Real: In the third season he won the Super Cup, lost the Copa del Rey final and went to the CL semi finals.

It's only in his third season during his second Chelsea spell that it went really tits up.
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He was massively unlucky with injuries at Chelsea in his third season in 2006/07, but still there seemed to be a bad vibe there - just like in his third season with Real when it seemed he and the players could not get away from each other quickly enough.
 
SirAF said:
That doesn't really tell that much.

Porto: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Chelsea after winning the CL
Inter: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Real after winning the CL
Chelsea: In the third season he won the FA Cup, Carling Cup and finished 2nd behind Ferguson
Real: In the third season he won the Super Cup, lost the Copa del Rey final and went to the CL semi finals.

It's only in his third season during his second Chelsea spell that it went really tits up.
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It does tell something. 2 stints he fecked off himself after two seasons. the 3 jobs he stuck around in, he got sacked within 3 years.

Not that 3 years is terrible. And I do think it is out of tune with modern football to measure him against a stick that stopped being relevant for anyone but Wenger and Ferguson some 10 years ago. But still. I think at Madrid and second stint at chelsea there is a clear sign that he burns the candle at both ends. Getting out at Inter when he did was just shrewd. They were going nowhere fast.
 
goin4glory said:
One step closer to never watching Mata/Fellaini/Rooney play for us again. Great news.
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Sorry to disappoint you, but he will keep Rooney, and use him.
Mata and Fellaini will probably be gone though.
Sad, since Mata is a really likeable guy, and i wanted him to succeed at United.
 
Invictus said:
The ironic thing is - a lot of people who credit Van Gaal for his scatter-gun approach in terms of handing debuts, and for the future success of Puyol (who was set to join Málaga because Van Gaal had him under Reiziger in the pecking order), Alaba (played a grand total of 10 games under Louis), Iniesta (same boat as Alaba) are adamant in their stance to not extend the same courtesy to José. Even at Madrid, he introduced Morata, Cheryshev, Joselu, José Rodríguez, Jesé, Nacho, Adán etc (IIRC he once selected 7 La Fábrica graduates in a Copa del Rey match vs Alcoyano too, while Van Gaal used first team players in the Carling Cup, and persisted with that setup until his hand was forced through injuries - leading to a rash of first team opportunities for academy graduates - seemingly without a plan to ease them at a more organic pace). But that is overlooked by and large, and apparently - as soon as Mourinho takes over, it'll be shutters for our academy setup.
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I want mourinho (or rather want us to replace LvG now) but let's not kid ourselves. He doesn't play kids often unless they are exceptional. Your example of puyol isn't true as puyol didn't leave (from Barca B) because he believed LvG unlike Bobby Robson wouldn't ignore the academy players (after Xavi was promoted by LvG). Sure enough he worked hard and won his promotion the next year.

Right now I believe our priority should be winning than kids. Not that we need to ignore them but winning should be our supreme target. If mourinho (or whoever) wants new players that could dent chances to academy graduates, I wouldn't really have a problem with it right now. No club in the world really cares about youth more than winning anyway. Barca could probably have done well with Munir deulofeu and all supporting Neymar and Messi but they went an bought Suarez rather than risking deulofeu. They didn't worry about it affecting their youth. That was after a year when they ended 2nd in the league, finalists in cup, and QF in CL.
 
“If United do not sign the final contract [with Mourinho] before 1 May, they must pay £5m; if by 1 June he’s still not signed, they shall pay another £10m,” read the report.
I hate him already if this is true.
 
Daniel Taylor has previously described Diego Torres as the best 'hack' in Madrid. So it is likely the El Paìs story is true.

I would point out however, if you think that means the man who paid about £10m more for Fellaini than he needed to wouldn't pay £15m to keep LvG, then you underestimate how stupid our board is
 
Indeed. The situation certainly seems to be:

  • Get 4th this season = Van Gaal stays
  • Miss out on 4th = choice to be made
 
Needham said:
I do. But I thought Mourinho had some passion about the idea of managing Manchester United that might transcend this kind of boorish, greedy bastard negotiating ploy.
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It's a pretty shitty situation if true alright, mind you it could be argued that he was stung once regarding the United job and just wants to ensure that he's not strung along for a second time.
 
Red-Man-Walking said:
It's a pretty shitty situation if true alright, mind you it could be argued that he was stung once regarding the United job and just wants to ensure that he's not strung along for a second time.
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I'm no fan of Mourinho (as a person; as a manager, my feelings are a bit more complicated,) but I don't see how you could hold this clause against him (if, in fact, it's true.) He's just protecting his interests; hopefully Woodward and co. won't even let it get to that.
 
Needham said:
I do. But I thought Mourinho had some passion about the idea of managing Manchester United that might transcend this kind of boorish, greedy bastard negotiating ploy.
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I believe Jose has wanted this job for a very long time. This is about job security, he can't just stop listening to offers because Woodward says he most likely would be manager only for the club to possibly change their mind at the last minute and leave him scrambling. This is good business by his agent, if you have a problem it should be with Mendes.

This is one of the very few shrewd footballing decisions that the club has made in years, finally we are going to start winning again and that's what mourinho brings. He cannot get here fast enough.
 
I don't blame Mourinho for looking after his own interests - weakness and indecision run through the board (and the team) like a...twisted thread in a cape made of gold leaf. Or something. [/RAWK]
 
SirAF said:
That doesn't really tell that much.

Porto: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Chelsea after winning the CL
Inter: Didn't have a third season, he was hired by Real after winning the CL
Chelsea: In the third season he won the FA Cup, Carling Cup and finished 2nd behind Ferguson
Real: In the third season he won the Super Cup, lost the Copa del Rey final and went to the CL semi finals.

It's only in his third season during his second Chelsea spell that it went really tits up.
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Good post.
 
Needham said:
I do. But I thought Mourinho had some passion about the idea of managing Manchester United that might transcend this kind of boorish, greedy bastard negotiating ploy.
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Eh? This is just a way of ensuring United's interest is serious. He doesn't want to be strung along and refuse other job offers in the meantime if we act like fecking idiots and give the job to Giggs at the end.
 
ravi2 said:
I believe Jose has wanted this job for a very long time. This is about job security, he can't just stop listening to offers because Woodward says he most likely would be manager only for the club to possibly change their mind at the last minute and leave him scrambling. This is good business by his agent, if you have a problem it should be with Mendes.

This is one of the very few shrewd footballing decisions that the club has made in years, finally we are going to start winning again and that's what mourinho brings. He cannot get here fast enough.
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He's my preference, too. But we might have to pay him 5 million if we don't sign him before a certain date. How do you feel if the new manager has already taken 5 or 10 million pounds out of the club and pocketed it? Somewhat sours it for me.
 
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