The Glazers letting £15m go because we change our mind on the manager. Yeah right.
That's a very good point.
Glazers (or to be fair, anybody), wouldn't just allow £15M to walk away. I mean, that's a huge amount of money for anybody.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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That's a very good point.
Glazers (or to be fair, anybody), wouldn't just allow £15M to walk away. I mean, that's a huge amount of money for anybody.
Same here. Sad they've had to lower theor standards a little.
Obviously, our lot are dragging it out in the hope of van Gaal achieving something positive by season's end; then they'd claim to have a reason to keep him on as manager. They're giving LVG every chance, whether he deserves it or not. Personally I've had enough of the self-interest of the bloody lot of them - LVG, Ed, the CO92, Mourinho and Mendes etc etc.
Not really, we've had a few shite results and the press have gone looking for them to get clicks, press probably asked about Giggs directly and they replied as to not slag off an old mate. Red Issue are fun but a bunch of fecking meth-heads, they're not getting their stuff from the board or dressing room, it's a good tale but just because it seems to add up, doesn't mean it's true.
I remember that interview. Jose basically said the better club didn't win today and he seemed almost apologetic about winning. I felt as thought he was angling for the manager position at OT for a while and really felt that it was his.
SAF really fecked up with the Moyes appointment. Jose really wanted to mange us and would have basically took over right where SAF left off. We didn't need to sell so many of the first team that year, that could have been done over 2 years. Losing vidic, rio and Evra in one go should have never happened. Players like fellaini should have never been bought. Some say hindsight is always 20/20 but these are obvious mistakes.
I would have hoped SAF would have learned from that, but maybe he hasn't. I'm glad the board he is on basically has no power, they can only suggest. Giggs needs to go away for a few years and prove himself and get experience.
He is not ready.
Scholes and Yorke aren't doing themselves any favours either.
I cannot wait for Jose to come in and bring 4-5 additions with him, then we can start winning again.
Even tho we are most likely out of the champs league, he has the pulling power to bring in almost any player.
We got very very fortunate that he is not only available, but willing and eager to mange us.
What was Chelsea's loss is our gain.
This is a translation of the first part of the El Pais article.
The separation of Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho was an unusual case. Rarely has the president of a club lamented more the departure of a coach than Florentino Perez did in May 2013. The top man at Madrid never ruled out the possibility of getting Mourinho back. This winter, the dismissal of Mourinho by Chelsea opened a window of hope. A window that closes a little more every day, in view of the latest revelations by the bosses at Chamartin and confirmed by sources close to Gestifute, the company of Jorge Mendes, who represents Mourinho. All agree that Mourinho has signed a precontract with Manchester United.
Agents close to the English club claim that the document that binds Mourinho and United is a habital legal instrument in the football industry. United are guaranteed the right to the services of Mourinho for the next few seasons while Mourinho is assured an indemnity payment in case his new employer decides against sealing the deal with a definitive agreement. United reserve the right to renege on the deal if they find a more appropriate coach in the next few months. If this happens, Mourinho will have two chances of compensation. If United don't sign a concrete agreement before 1 May, they must pay £5m. If the agreement is not signed by 1 June, they must may another £10m. May is the key, given that this is the month in which the overwhelming majority of player transfers are done and most clubs' sporting strategies are completed.
This agreement reveals to things. First, the willingness of Mourinho to commit to United, a club he always dreamed of managing. Secondly, the doubts still harboured by the board of United, to the extent that, instead of signing an unconditional agreement, they have given themselves a margin to search the market for alternatives.
The bosses of United, the richest club in the world after the Premier League's new tv deal, have been arguing about the suitability of Mourinho for some time. Among his supporters are the accountant who now holds the vice-presidency, Ed Wooward. The most reticent are the veterans like Sir Bobby Charlton, and the man who was manager until 2013, Sir Alex Ferguson, who in his day overlooked Mourinho and plumped for David Moyes. Faced with their lack of agreement, the bosses have opted for the middle way of a precontact. They are tied to Mourinho but meanwhile are also waiting for a better option to emerge. The English press speak of Mauricio Pochettinho, Ryan Giggs, and Thomas Tuchel.
The separation of Real Madrid and Jose Mourinho was an unusual case. Rarely has the president of a club lamented more the departure of a coach than Florentino Perez did in May 2013. The top man at Madrid never ruled out the possibility of getting Mourinho back. This winter, the dismissal of Mourinho by Chelsea opened a window of hope. A window that closes a little more every day, in view of the latest revelations by the bosses at Chamartin and confirmed by sources close to Gestifute, the company of Jorge Mendes, who represents Mourinho. All agree that Mourinho has signed a precontract with Manchester United.
Agents close to the English club claim that the document that binds Mourinho and United is a habital legal instrument in the football industry. United are guaranteed the right to the services of Mourinho for the next few seasons while Mourinho is assured an indemnity payment in case his new employer decides against sealing the deal with a definitive agreement. United reserve the right to renege on the deal if they find a more appropriate coach in the next few months. If this happens, Mourinho will have two chances of compensation. If United don't sign a concrete agreement before 1 May, they must pay £5m. If the agreement is not signed by 1 June, they must may another £10m. May is the key, given that this is the month in which the overwhelming majority of player transfers are done and most clubs' sporting strategies are completed.
This agreement reveals to things. First, the willingness of Mourinho to commit to United, a club he always dreamed of managing. Secondly, the doubts still harboured by the board of United, to the extent that, instead of signing an unconditional agreement, they have given themselves a margin to search the market for alternatives.
The bosses of United, the richest club in the world after the Premier League's new tv deal, have been arguing about the suitability of Mourinho for some time. Among his supporters are the accountant who now holds the vice-presidency, Ed Wooward. The most reticent are the veterans like Sir Bobby Charlton, and the man who was manager until 2013, Sir Alex Ferguson, who in his day overlooked Mourinho and plumped for David Moyes. Faced with their lack of agreement, the bosses have opted for the middle way of a precontact. They are tied to Mourinho but meanwhile are also waiting for a better option to emerge. The English press speak of Mauricio Pochettinho, Ryan Giggs, and Thomas Tuchel.
Just fecking get this done you cretins. I'll only believe it when it's official that he's signed.
He will lose "control" of the club. Its like an addiction for him this "control" he needs to have over every fecking thing. Already fecked us once. Hope he doesn't interfere in the hiring process again.
I was also one of those who was shocked about the Moyes appointment. Though I do not think it was all Fergie's decision to appoint Moyes. We could have won a title or two already with Jose.
Based on literally nothing.
I am just thinking about our situation if Chelsea were doing well this season and actually competing to win the league. We would have been so fecked with absolutely no options available.
The nutters are out in full force in this thread.
It's not even the idiocy of the speculation that bothers me, it's how some people are so CERTAIN they know what is happening and post theories as if they remotely have a clue. Morons
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Sorry, just the disdain and conviction in your post made me laugh
What happens if Mourinho loses 5/10 of his first Premier League games, with the football being absolutely crap? Sack him?
Giveth Giggseh till enduh season
There would be legit calls for it.
Can't wait for rivals moaning about our scrappy wins against them.
They destroy half the threads repeating the same unsubstantiated nonsense. No wonder a lot of good posters stay away from posting nowadays.
Imagine we pay Mourinho 15 million quid and still appoint Giggs
Actually I just read the article and connected here to say that Diego Torres was talking about United
. For me is one of the best journalists. A bit melodramatic but with good information.Also interesting what he says in the second part of the article (I think that not translated here):
"Madrid officials have spoken with Jorge Mendes for months to lay the groundwork for an agreement. To negotiate with all the available information and to avoid bluffs by the agent, a madridista leader says the club carefully investigated the exact location of Mourinho. The result was the confirmation that their rights belong to United since February."
" Sources close to the coach warn, however , that the real reason for his caution in assessing the return is the extreme sophistication of the Spanish coaches , capable of converting debutant squads , as las Palmas, Malaga or Eibar ,in fearsome competitive units . Barca is just the latest nightmare. The Spanish League , in his opinion, is the most dangerous ."
"Master of opportunism as few, Mourinho is the most skilled coach that exists in measuring the commercial consequences of each of its steps. His partners say that he is concerned for the fall that marked his final season at Chelsea, for their professional prestige. Increasingly the technical secretariats are beginning to believe that the method of the Portuguese, avant-garde a decade ago, has been somewhat out of date in 2016. The worst League to test it is the Spanish , where , according to the setting of the coach , the school of coaches has created a perfect place for innovation. Mourinho believes that his fame would be much less damaged if it fails losing matches against teams from large budgets, such as the Premier, if it is exposed to the many teams with little resources in Spain can make life difficult for anyone."
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/03/19/actualidad/1458411442_468100.html
Actually I just read the article and connected here to say that Diego Torres was talking about United
Also interesting what he says in the second part of the article (I think that not translated here):
"Madrid officials have spoken with Jorge Mendes for months to lay the groundwork for an agreement. To negotiate with all the available information and to avoid bluffs by the agent, a madridista leader says the club carefully investigated the exact location of Mourinho. The result was the confirmation that their rights belong to United since February."
" Sources close to the coach warn, however , that the real reason for his caution in assessing the return is the extreme sophistication of the Spanish coaches , capable of converting debutant squads , as las Palmas, Malaga or Eibar ,in fearsome competitive units . Barca is just the latest nightmare. The Spanish League , in his opinion, is the most dangerous ."
"Master of opportunism as few, Mourinho is the most skilled coach that exists in measuring the commercial consequences of each of its steps. His partners say that he is concerned for the fall that marked his final season at Chelsea, for their professional prestige. Increasingly the technical secretariats are beginning to believe that the method of the Portuguese, avant-garde a decade ago, has been somewhat out of date in 2016. The worst League to test it is the Spanish , where , according to the setting of the coach , the school of coaches has created a perfect place for innovation. Mourinho believes that his fame would be much less damaged if it fails losing matches against teams from large budgets, such as the Premier, if it is exposed to the many teams with little resources in Spain can make life difficult for anyone."
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/03/19/actualidad/1458411442_468100.html
Thanks for the translation, the bit toward the end makes for interesting reading.
That's like saying, "What happens if I climax too quickly the first few times I shag Sofia Vergara?". Let's just worry about getting her into bed first.
We haven't even offered to buy Jose a drink yet.
Actually I just read the article and connected here to say that Diego Torres was talking about United
Also interesting what he says in the second part of the article (I think that not translated here):
"Madrid officials have spoken with Jorge Mendes for months to lay the groundwork for an agreement. To negotiate with all the available information and to avoid bluffs by the agent, a madridista leader says the club carefully investigated the exact location of Mourinho. The result was the confirmation that their rights belong to United since February."
" Sources close to the coach warn, however , that the real reason for his caution in assessing the return is the extreme sophistication of the Spanish coaches , capable of converting debutant squads , as las Palmas, Malaga or Eibar ,in fearsome competitive units . Barca is just the latest nightmare. The Spanish League , in his opinion, is the most dangerous ."
"Master of opportunism as few, Mourinho is the most skilled coach that exists in measuring the commercial consequences of each of its steps. His partners say that he is concerned for the fall that marked his final season at Chelsea, for their professional prestige. Increasingly the technical secretariats are beginning to believe that the method of the Portuguese, avant-garde a decade ago, has been somewhat out of date in 2016. The worst League to test it is the Spanish , where , according to the setting of the coach , the school of coaches has created a perfect place for innovation. Mourinho believes that his fame would be much less damaged if it fails losing matches against teams from large budgets, such as the Premier, if it is exposed to the many teams with little resources in Spain can make life difficult for anyone."
http://deportes.elpais.com/deportes/2016/03/19/actualidad/1458411442_468100.html
Good read.
The last part about mourinho fearing his methods could be exposed in spain is surely made up nonsense, cause if it's true, it can only exist in mourinho's head, there's no way in hell mourinho would openly admit something like that to anyone, not his agent, not his wife and not even loudly talking to himself in the mirror. To suggest that sources close to mourinho know this is just laughable.
I understand information regarding a pre contract with united could be leaked, but the rest is nothing but theories thrown into the mix.
Maybe , anyway this is old, I would swear that he wrote something similar years ago(the part about the level of managers).
He writes about many different topics of Madrid dressing room, was one of the first writing the issue Mourinho - Iker but also spoke about the tactical dilemmas of Ancelotti, the conversation between Ramos and Florentino , in China , just before renewing or Raúl influence during his decline.
Perhaps he has several important sources or perhaps he follows the trend of the press , the last , the anti Kroos campaign.
He writes great in Spanish and about soap operas , so he is very successful and popular.
Florentino told him that had a big imagination and loved the novels too much. Actually Diego Torres wrote a book about Mourinho being very critical , so his opinion is very subjective.
If I were a United fan I would keep only information on the pre-contract and the doubts of the club , which seems reasonable.
Imagine we pay Mourinho 15 million quid and still appoint Giggs
Stranger things had happened. We spent 30m on a toilet brush
a better option to emerge- Ryan Giggs
That's a pisstake right?
That's a pisstake right?
It's getting severely annoying that. The worst is majority of our fans lapping it up and abusing our biggest legends of the club. Hell, many of these fans would be unlikely to even be supporting this club if not for Fergie
Has to be. Either that or a misprint.
Giggs at the moment is not even an option. The guy admitted to finding doing the coaching badges tough ffs. He even said he had sleepless nights and felt under severe pressure during those 4 games he had in charge. 4 dead rubber matches
How anyone can seriously consider him is beyond me but, such is life
It's getting severely annoying that. The worst is majority of our fans lapping it up and abusing our biggest legends of the club. Hell, many of these fans would be unlikely to even be supporting this club if not for Fergie
Legends or not, the club is in trouble and the club comes first, above anyone.
We know for a fact Sir Bobby doesn't want Mourinho. He's said so himself back in 2012. Thats the one thing I can't get my head around. His reasoning is bizarre. Fergie and Co. were just as badly behaved at times, if not worse. Let's not forget that infamous trip to Brazil too.
They obviously have my deepest respect and admiration but, seeing that grinning idiot and 3000 odd scousers living it up at Old Trafford made me sick to my stomach and I'm at the end of my fuse with it all. Something is clearly up behind the scenes because, at any other club, this wouldn't have been allowed to carry on for as long as this has
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You do realize how looney you sound peddling this utter, utter garbage?
People can change their opinions. You have absolutely no clue over whether Sir Bobby currently wants Mourinho or not. And that's assuming he has any say in the top level decision making at the club at all, of which, again there's feck all evidence.
By most accounts, sacking Moyes was a Woodward call, hiring LvG was a Woodward call. Sacking LvG will also be a Woodward call. Yet, hiring of the next manager will involve veto powers from the likes of Sir Bobby?
Just to add, Giggs was also given temporary charge by Woodward, as well as appointed as assistant manager by Woodward. It's not a stretch to say that having Giggs be a fairy tale manager is actually a Woodward wet dream.People can change their opinions. You have absolutely no clue over whether Sir Bobby currently wants Mourinho or not. And that's assuming he has any say in the top level decision making at the club at all, of which, again there's feck all evidence.
By most accounts, sacking Moyes was a Woodward call, hiring LvG was a Woodward call. Sacking LvG will also be a Woodward call. Yet, hiring of the next manager will involve veto powers from the likes of Sir Bobby?
This isn't what the agenda pushing cnuts at redissue will have you believe though
Who said anything about Red Issue?! It's been widely reported that this stuff is going on. I dont need to sign up that lot to read about it. As for Giggs being put in temporary charge, who else was gonna be? I don't trust Woodward either. He along with LvG and Giggs should be shown the door.
Facts are that LvG needs to be sacked and should have been sacked awhile ago and obviously something is stopping that from happening
By who? I'll bet a packet that most of these reports source red issue.
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