Lets see if Poch has it in him to manage a title run in.
BBC: United hold talks with Mourinho
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Fair enough bud. If there are those around then I agree with you.
Fair enough bud. If there are those around then I agree with you.
LVG needs to go. I still feel Mourinho is the wrong manager for us though. He's just a very poor fit for the club for the numerous reasons already discussed. If things weren't so bad at the moment most people wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.
Jose is not some mid table manager (Moyes) or someone looking for his first job (Giggs). He is one of the best managers in the World and you can't order him to play many youth players.
If you want to build a youth team or play a certain style, hire Giggs, with Warren Joyce as his assistant. If hired Giggs (and LVG, Moyes) will be given a target of top 4. They probably won't ever win any trophies, but then that's not why you hire these people.
If you hire Jose, Guardiola or Ancelotti, you tell them that you want to win trophies. No ifs. No buts.
You hire these top line managers to win trophies, not to develop a youth team. And besides Warren Joyce appears to be doing a fantastic job already, with our youth players. I don't believe anybody could do better with them.
A lot of people wanted him when SAF retired. Things weren't so dire back then.
This seems logical, that or Mourinho himself didn't want to walk in and have to improve things immediately. I'm not sure he's done that mid season before?
Ideal scenario now is the kids inspire a surprising return to the top 4, win the FA Cup, and it leaves Mourinho a good platform to bring the right players in.
I'm sure he wouldn't completely bin off Rashford. He'll see he has something about him.
Rooney would be the hardest decision. He must see quite soon that at minimum we can't have him as the main man next season.
And if he's not the main man how can he fit in.
Are you aware that Chelsea are the reigning Champions? Managed by Mourinho?
Mourinho is as close as you are going to get to a cast iron guarantee of a title.
As a fan it depends if you are content with attempting to get a top 4 place (and sometimes missing out) OR if you demand we attempt to win the league.
If winning trophies is not important, then I can see that Jose is not an attractive option.
Myself, I like MUFC to win. Hence, I want the best staff (players/managers) to be in our team and that's why I want Jose.
It'll always be the question won't it, how would we have done if Mourinho had come in straight after Fergie.
I don't think anyone would say anywhere near as low as 7th and sacked in spring!
Better late than never.
Can't force him to play kids though, that's mental. Free reign to do what he wants playing staff wise. No Shevchenko or others bought by the owners.
If Rooney doesn't score goals, I assure you Rooney will be out of the first team so fast, he won't quite realise what just happened.
Where LVG will keep playing a non-scoring striker (Falcao last season, Rooney this season), Jose won't put up with it.
Well, he will only be an employee of the Club, not the Lord and master of it: if he joins, he will have listened to the club's expectations and agreed to them. If the club feels strongly that he should be giving youth players a chance in the team, then I don't see why they can't ask him to do so. If he doesn't want to or can't, he can say no. Simple.
Also, I'm sure neither I nor others in here are saying he should replace Joyce; don't know where you have taken that from. Only that he should give youth a chance, which, by the way, doesn't mean he can't win trophies as well. The club can ask him to do both.
Like he didn't with Schevchenko, Benzema, Torres or Drogba (for 4 out of his first 5 seasons)?
Just another tidbit for us all to cling on to!
I feel like one of those idiots on the roof of the buildings, welcoming the aliens, in the movie Independence Day.
If that's the case then you are not an idiot my friend!
Pochetino would kind of be the same appointment as Moyes and we know where that ended up last time.
Enough of being a platform for promising managers to see if they can do it at the top. We need a proven world class manager
Brilliant
I also think hiring Poch over Jose is mental, but its madness to compare him to Moyes. For starters he could feasibly the league, something Moyes has never come close to.
It is madness to compare them now because Moyes failed to take the next step, but you could compare him to Moyes before that. You have to consider the resources Moyes had compared to Pochetino. It is likely that Pochetino will be a successful coach at a proper big club, but hey many (including myself) thought the same for Moyes.
I don't think there is really a comparison. Moyes made Everton a tough team to beat and established them as a top half side but he didn't do a lot else with them.
Pochettino had both Southampton and Spurs playing attractive football whilst integrating young players. He took Spurs to a domestic cup final last season and has them challenging for the league title this season. I think that far exceeds what Moyes achieved in the decade he was manager of Everton.
Mourinho won't be given 'orders' that he must play young players. That's stupid.
However there's no doubt he'll be made to understand (I'm sure he already does) that there is more of an expectation than what he had at previous clubs to give young players a chance. From both inside the club itself and the supporters. It would then be on him whether he takes that on board or whether he disregards it, but if he disregards it then he better make sure the results go in his favour.
However there's no doubt he'll be made to understand (I'm sure he already does) that there is more of an expectation than what he had at previous clubs to give young players a chance. From both inside the club itself and the supporters. It would then be on him whether he takes that on board or whether he disregards it, but if he disregards it then he better make sure the results go in his favour.
Regarding playing youth players:
Winning the EPL is not easy (as LVG and Klopp are finding out and Guardiola may find out next season), so if Jose can consistently have us in 1st or 2nd place in the league, to then demand he must do so while playing with 18 year olds, will be unfair.
Fans need to realise that the league is ultra competitive. Using grown men, in their prime, teams are currently struggling to compete for the league. So why do fans expect us to be able to compete for the title using youngsters?
Even Fergie in his latter years, was unable to field youth players because they just weren't good enough to win the league.
Winning the EPL is not easy (as LVG and Klopp are finding out and Guardiola may find out next season), so if Jose can consistently have us in 1st or 2nd place in the league, to then demand he must do so while playing with 18 year olds, will be unfair.
Fans need to realise that the league is ultra competitive. Using grown men, in their prime, teams are currently struggling to compete for the league. So why do fans expect us to be able to compete for the title using youngsters?
Even Fergie in his latter years, was unable to field youth players because they just weren't good enough to win the league.
It was a long time ago, but is that what happened in that movie?
From what I recall, the first time the alien space ship was lowered into low Earth orbit, they blew up some buildings (including the White House).
I wonder if people would moan about a lack of young players if we won the league under Mourinho.
I suspect some would, as there's been a few noises of "it'd be interesting to see Van Gaal next season with these kids", as if he's been some champion of our youth players, rather than playing them through sheer emergency.
I think a lot of people have forgotten this point. It will be interesting how many kids there will be now he has most of his senior players coming back. Then when they disappear he will say he is keeping their feet on the ground.
So, just to clarify:
We haven't won any trophies for 3 seasons.
We have been dire for the last 6 months and embarrassingly boring to watch. In fact, one of the worst teams in Europe to watch.
Until recently we have been scoring roughly 1 goal per game and created very few chances.
2 months back, we had relegation form (similar to that of Aston Villa).
You now want Jose to come in, use youth players on a regular basis, play attractive football and have us winning the league? And all in a very quick time period.
Have I got this right?
I think you need to lower your expectations.
Lol. People are still saying this "kids are playing only because of injuries" nonsense. In the summer, LVG said he sold a lot of first team players because he wants the young players to make up his squad.
As for Mourinho, the club aren't going to impose academy players on him. Considering he's never done it before, it would be stupid. If the club employs Mourinho, it would be because bringing academy lads into the first team is way down in their list of priorities.
People thinking Mourinho will suddenly change are deceiving themselves.
As for Mourinho, the club aren't going to impose academy players on him. Considering he's never done it before, it would be stupid. If the club employs Mourinho, it would be because bringing academy lads into the first team is way down in their list of priorities.
People thinking Mourinho will suddenly change are deceiving themselves.
Exactly. Although I'd probably think the same as him on that one. I'd definitely keep Rashford in the squad, due to the sheer foolarsery of leaving us so short up front. But after that, probably just CJB on the bench.
The rest would be gazumped by the first teamers coming back.
Nonsense? I'd call it "fact"
Rashford has played 3 games. 2 games as an unused sub was his lot for the rest of the season. We're in March.
We've had massive injury worries in defence. CJB, Varela, Love (!) and probably a couple of others wouldn't have got anywhere near it without the mass injuries, maybe a league cup run out at best.
Answer that. "Nonsense" indeed.
He already has. I think you skimmed over the second sentence.
Agreed. Varela didnt get a snif of first team football unti recently. He asked to leave in January.
Brutal truth is this: Van Gaal would not have played any youngster if hadnt been forced to.
Surely the fact it didn't happen showed it was bollocks though?
Sold first team players, AND arranged a massive injury crisis?
Surely the fact it didn't happen showed it was bollocks though?
Sold first team players, AND arranged a massive injury crisis?
You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you don't think we weren't going to get injuries this season, all teams do.
Obviously we wouldn't have seen the number of youngsters we have done if not for the scale of the crisis, but you only have to look at the first team squad to know that the youngsters getting game time was inevitable.
He probably means the spoof, whatever it was called. The one where Jack Nicholson was the prez. I vaguely recall such a scene in that one.
With this set of defenders, players who would be played in defence...
Shaw, Darmian, Blind, Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Valencia, Young, Carrick, McNair, I'd say that could easily cover a season
We've had times with about 8 of that 10 out at once. That is freaky, and it's been those times when suddenly we had to dip into the youth team.
This was no great planning, no "Giving the youth a chance"
We even tried to get Arsenal's Debuchy in on loan for goodness sake.
You'll be saying Van Gaak deserves another season next, a knee jerk idiocy statement.
People could easily turn this 'deceiving themselves' against your claim about LvG playing kids not because of injuries. Above 10 players from the squad out, he simply didn't have a choice but to experiment just like season ago with McNair and Blackett.
Funny thing is Maureen didn't do one thing in United and more and more folks already condemning him for destroying the entire youth system. We'll never know until we'll let him take the steer in the first place... and I'm not even fan of that arrogant c*nt.
Simeone all the way.RB - Darmian, Valencia
CB - Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Blind
LB - Shaw, Young
I really don't think LVG expected them all to be injured at the same time like that and Varela, Riley, CBJ and Mensah to be in the team. He pretty much has no other option
CB - Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Blind
LB - Shaw, Young
I really don't think LVG expected them all to be injured at the same time like that and Varela, Riley, CBJ and Mensah to be in the team. He pretty much has no other option
No, the loons in LA were having rooftop parties welcoming the aliens promptly before being blown to smithereens.
take Rashford
Rooney, Martial, Fellaini and even Will Keane would all have been picked ahead of him. We also tried to sign Lavezzi. Was Rashford in his thinking? no. We had no choice but fair play to the lad for making us sit up and take notice at such a young age.
Varela, Love etc. would they have got a sniff if we'd managed to sign Debuchy on loan? no, unless Debuchy got injured.
pure necessity forced his hand, but hes canny enough to ride that wave that people think its planned and will continue. We'll see what happens when all the players start coming back from injury.
Rooney, Martial, Fellaini and even Will Keane would all have been picked ahead of him. We also tried to sign Lavezzi. Was Rashford in his thinking? no. We had no choice but fair play to the lad for making us sit up and take notice at such a young age.
Varela, Love etc. would they have got a sniff if we'd managed to sign Debuchy on loan? no, unless Debuchy got injured.
pure necessity forced his hand, but hes canny enough to ride that wave that people think its planned and will continue. We'll see what happens when all the players start coming back from injury.
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