Yeah because Real don't miss Alonso and Pirlo means nothing to Juventus.
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Yeah because Real don't miss Alonso and Pirlo means nothing to Juventus.
Those players can actually stay fit for a whole season.
If we want Bayern players, we should be after Martinez or Muller.
Herrera needs to develop? Sure, you're always learning but Herrera is turning 26. Far from a young buck.
The same Martinez that's just missed most of the season with an ACL injury to his left knee, right?
Get your point but it's a perfect world scenario and we're not in one for the calibre of player we want. If Louis can utilise Carrick, Blind, Schweini and Herrera to a good standard, we're title contenders.
Which we are more than capable of buying. Adding Schweinstieger to the squad won't prevent that.
No we are not. The defence needs to fix up, we are not contenders until we stop leaking stupid goals.
What scenario do we need to acquire prime players as opposed to injury prone has beens? We are one of the biggest clubs in the world, we are in the CL and pay huge wages.
We need experience, we have the third youngest team in the league and we lack numbers in midfield, therefore an experienced and reliable player like Schweinsteiger on top of a younger midfielder is a must.
Well done for ignoring my correction of your error with a deflection tactic. I agree with your point in general. I do think we're closer to a title than you have perhaps suggested. Would like Schweini.
Was referring to the calibre we want players to be here right now - look around at CM and what's available and you'll see most of them have had recent injury problems unfortunately. It's the market we're in.
I didn't make an error that's why. Martinez is way younger, and is basically the perfect Carrick replacement and arguably an upgrade if he get's back to his best. Considering he is a holding midfielder and is only 26 means his injuries are not a sign of his decline.
That's to be seen next season once he gets back to playing regularly. Before his injury I entirely agree with you. He'd have been exactly the player we'd have been chucking ourselves at. Especially with his versatility - good at the back too while Pep was even using him as a defensive 10 a la Fellaini at times. Complete all round player with added physicality and Spanish control and passing.
De ja vu
The two players are extremely different though, Schweinsteiger is a playmaker and Javi Martinez is a destroyer. Ideally we need both and ideally it's best to sign an experienced playmaker.
Well I would suggest it's better to go for a player on the cusp of reaching the calibre we need than buying a guy who is trundling down the other side of the mountain with a litany of injuries. If we are taking an injury risk then we should be going for Vidal or Gundogan.
Again, I personally, agree with you. But I don't see Louis doing that. Think he's keen on getting a high calibre midfield player in and probably a similar level centre back too. Then he'll worry about the future development of others. Get the spine in place and let the rest sort itself out in time.
A spine needs to be strong and reliable, that's not Schweinsteiger anymore at all, he's missed a huge chunk of both the last two season, the edge has gone from his mobility and engine and he struggles to maintain any fitness, adding him to a 34 year old Carrick and an average #6 like Blind and the spine will have a huge crack in it before we even get started.
But who is available? Matic was an ideal candidate for the role we now need but last season. Pogba is highly unlikely. Vidal and Martinez have come back from heavy injuries. Strootman looks toast. While Schweini may be all of those things that you have listed, Louis knows him, knows his conditioning and what he can and can't do more than any of us. He also knows his mental capacity for the roles required by van Gaal. If he feels he can be of use to United in any capacity, I trust his judgement.
I'm not for one moment saying Schweini over any of the others but I would like him to arrive if he's available at a good price. With a summer's rest, it could be rejuvenation his body needs. Besides, if ADM finds a role centrally (not improbable), he'll be in a rotation role as it is.
Very concerned about his fitness record. If he's able to get back to anywhere near his best and keep it up for a few seasons it would be an absolutely terrific buy for "any" (reasonable) price.
Feels like it's a huge gamble though.
Feels like it's a huge gamble though.
LvG has proved to be a dodgy judge of players though and he knows Schweinsteiger from 5 years ago, not this broken version of him that has already done it all with nothing left to prove. Vidal is coming off an injury but is 3 years younger and has been back to close to his best for a few months now and is getting better by the game, Schweinsteiger looks spent, slow and impeded from the constant injury problems.
I don't see any point in him regardless of price, it's the AC Milan route, I'd rather go trophyless for a couple of seasons and build a strong core of prime age players than bring in expensive, injury ridden stop gaps looking for a last big payday on our dime.
Carrick is 34/5 and we miss him badly when he's not playing. Class and experience is not to be underestimated.
Carrick's position doesn't require massive athleticism. A 30 to 31 year old would be fine.
@Devil may care You make good points and it's hard to disagree with your logic. I agree with the principles you're raising in truth.
Just think that even if he's injured and struggling, at a reasonable cost, Louis would be interested because of the quality he brings. Look at it this way, if Schweini can perform a role like Deco did at Chelsea, Alonso at Bayern or as Scholes and Giggs did in their later years to give that added experience and ability on the ball when needed to both impact play when on the pitch and be available to take the strain off the current players when called upon, then that job is still valuable to the squad. Note - not the playing styles of those players, just the added experience to deliver the right choices and moments.
Certainly when we're expecting to be facing 4 competitions instead of the 2 we primarily faced this season. I have high hopes for Perreira but at times this season we needed quality in depth that wasn't there yet. Nevermind 4 competitions next year.
Just think that even if he's injured and struggling, at a reasonable cost, Louis would be interested because of the quality he brings. Look at it this way, if Schweini can perform a role like Deco did at Chelsea, Alonso at Bayern or as Scholes and Giggs did in their later years to give that added experience and ability on the ball when needed to both impact play when on the pitch and be available to take the strain off the current players when called upon, then that job is still valuable to the squad. Note - not the playing styles of those players, just the added experience to deliver the right choices and moments.
Certainly when we're expecting to be facing 4 competitions instead of the 2 we primarily faced this season. I have high hopes for Perreira but at times this season we needed quality in depth that wasn't there yet. Nevermind 4 competitions next year.
He's still brilliant, and he's been a personal dream of mine for years. he could easily provide a 3 year stop gap for our midfield giving us real quality and depth while we get a settled squad.
If he was coming in for the same kind of price Bayern paid for Alonso and was only going to be a squad player while we also buy a top young CM to be a regular starter then I could see some merit in it, but not as our main CM signing of the summer.
If he would just want that he would not go to United but transfer into the Arabic nations or the States. Given his reputation he would get an enourmous pay check there. Alternatively he could just stay at Bayern for probably a slightly smaller contract until the end of his career.
If Schweinsteiger has the intention to go to a club of United´s calibre it would show that he still has ambition left to win titles he has not received yet.
Schweinsteiger´s case is actually pretty simple. It all depends if he can stay injury free for a longer period of time and fully reclaim his form. If he manages that then he is an upgrade to any midfielder United currently has. His age should not be that much of a factor. His performances mostly rely on his positioning, game intelligence and terrific passing. Thats usually not something that degrades much with age.
In a way this transfer would be a similar gamble like the one with Gündogan. Both could backfire, but given the ressources United has both are gambles worth taking in my eyes.
Fecking sign him. £10M? Transfer it over already.
Wouldn't that depend on if Bayern actually want to offer him a new deal? also while the Arab leagues and MLS may well pay huge perhaps he doesn't want to uproot all the way out there to a completely different culture. Moving to England would not be nearly as drastic a change and provide easy access back to Germany when he needs it while still getting enormous wages.
The difference between Gundogan and Schweinsteiger and the ability to return to top form is nearly 6 years in age, it's a lot easier to get through an injury plagued spell and revitalize your form as a young man than a player at the back end of his career, especially one that has won all there is to win.
Yes please.
Low price - decent wages - I'll snap your hand off.
Anything else, no thanks.
Anything else, no thanks.
Schweinsteiger did not even go into contract talks with Bayern. They wanted to do that when they made the new contracts with Lahm and Müller before the World Cup - but he did not want to. Rummenigge told that he can come for it when he wants to.
Bayern would give him a new acceptable contract if he wants to. And they will let him out when he wants to go - and the fee will be acceptable.
With Müller Bayern has their poster boy (that was the role Schweinsteiger had for a very long time) - and the midfield is stacked when everybody is healthy especially as there will be a new set-up in the future. So - neither out of marketing or identity reasons nor out of sporting reasons Bayern really depends on him.
In difference to Lahm Schweinsteiger always has told that he wants to have the foreign-country-experience. In 2011 - when he renewed his contract it probably was too early and the project Bayern was on the rise.
He maybe should not play each match - and maybe not on a box-to-box position. But - he has a lot experience and that could be very helpful.
I think he'd be a very good signing.
Well that's better than 16nd!
I will track you, from now on.
Short term target it seems from LvG. Not too sure how i feel about the signing. 3 or 4 years ago it would have been relatively ideal, I don't know about now though.
Yeah, the cultural differences between Munich and let´s say Los Angeles or Miami must be maddening. All the freaking sun will probably ruin his skin. It holds some truth in terms of Arab leagues, though.
The bigger difference is that Schweinsteiger came back from injury spells to top form multiple times and never suffered an injury as severe as Gündogan. I would also argue that Schweinsteiger would have an easier time to regain his tools to reclaim his peak form. He just needs to stay fit for more than three months and get some game rythm going. Gündogan´s problems are not only physical (he is physically fit for more than half a year now), but also mental. There is no telling if Gündogan will ever be the player he once was.
Of course he does. He's made a big step up this season and long make it continue.
You are talking about weather, that isn't culture, American lifestyle is different to Europe, obviously not as drastic as the differences in an Arab country, but certainly much different to say the difference between England and Germany.
The mental aspect is certainly a concern with Gundogan, I agree there, but the longevity we could get out of him if he regains his level vs a Schweinsteiger who at 31 might simply be physically over the limit would make Gundogan my pick, if we must take a risky punt on a player who potentially is no longer good enough..
give him a 2+1 year year deal on decent wages. He's exactly the calibre of veteran player to get us back to the top.
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