In their team that's probably true but if Schweinsteiger came here you'd imagine he'd be playing in Carrick's role in our team. Fairly sure LVG has described Schweinsteiger's role under Guardiola as a #6, which is also how he described Carrick?
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In their team that's probably true but if Schweinsteiger came here you'd imagine he'd be playing in Carrick's role in our team. Fairly sure LVG has described Schweinsteiger's role under Guardiola as a #6, which is also how he described Carrick?
Yes please - especially at £10m or under.
He can control a game and he's still got a decent engine. Yes, we won't be able to sell him on in three years time but so what. That sort of experience in the dressing room will be invaluable, even if he is injured some of the time. To say that a professional footballer is finished at 30 is laughable, especially one as good as Schweinsteiger.
He can control a game and he's still got a decent engine. Yes, we won't be able to sell him on in three years time but so what. That sort of experience in the dressing room will be invaluable, even if he is injured some of the time. To say that a professional footballer is finished at 30 is laughable, especially one as good as Schweinsteiger.
3 pages already?
This is so on.
This is so on.
I feel like these kind of signings are becoming a bit too frequent. I.e players who have given a lot of their best years to another club and we're getting them either on the tail end of their peak or way past it. Just leaves us with more RvP situations further down the line really.
Pep said he wanted to sign a 37 year old Paul Scholes for Barca. Imagine what Herrera would learn playing with Schweinsteiger? He's a World Cup winner, who's been one of the best midfielders in the world for years now. If there's a chance to sign him, I'd never want to see us pass that up.
To be fair Carrick's range of passing, and his composure on the ball is so good that the above become irrelevant.
If we're going to take a risk on an injured player I'd much rather spend extra cash and test their resolve on Martinez. At the very least he has age on his side over Bastien and is more natural to that position. @Balu do you reckon Martinez is in Pep's plans or would he be available for the right price?
Yeah, he's a trainer coach on the pitch because the team is only an average level
Will Bayern really expect more for a 31-year old constantly injured player who hasn't really been that great for the past several months? They got Alonso from Real Madrid for £5m when he was 32, this transfer would be comparable.Are you taking the piss?
United signing a German is rarer than hens teeth tbf. Ron-Rob aside as he never made it.
I don't think Martinez wants to leave nor would we be willing to sell.
And Bastian is a natural defensive midfielder with a fantastic passing range. It's what he played for Germany and Bayern for years now. In that 2 man midfield of Martinez/Schweinsteiger, Schweini was always the one dropping deep, often between the centerbacks and do the build up. It was even more obvious for Germany when he played next to Khedira, who was the one constantly making runs forward. The fact that he can also carry the ball forward and play further up the pitch makes him more complete than Carrick, but definitely not less naturally suited for the DM/deep lying playmaker role.
Cheers for the info. Yeah no doubt Schweinsteiger is superior to Carrick. I'd be slightly worried about buying him at that age with his recent injury troubles. If he came and was fit then he'd be a great buy but the last thing we need is having him and Carrick as options for that important role if neither can stay fit. Could be worth the risk if it was possible to get him from Bayern as he's a monster of a player and I'd doubt he'd have much problems adapting to English football as he's a very intelligent player. Hard to see Bayern being ok with letting him go unless they feel there's a chance he won't get past these injuries.
He can't play box-to-box at a high level anymore. I'd only want him to play in Carrick's position.
I thought that was kinda the plan with Alonso and Schweinsteiger in our team. Both sharing the playing time in that lone DM role and therefore prolonging their careers. But Schweinsteiger missed the first 5 months, which meant Alonso played too much and became more and more tired and then every other CM in the team was injured and we had to play both together, which didn't work that well because are too similar.
Schweinsteiger's injury record in the last 2 years really is annoying. The fact that he wasn't really fit for the World Cup and basically played with injuries probably made it all worse and I really doubt that we'll ever see him at his best again. He's a fantastic passer for a physical defensive midfielder, but he's no Pirlo or Scholes, so I have my doubts how well he can perform in the next 3-4 years.
He could easily play with Carrick and allow Herrera to have a more attacking role. Also Carrick isn't going to play 50+ games next season.
If he were to play alongside an anchor, I think he'd be more suited to pairing up with Blind. Schweini+Carrick would be too immobile. We've seen Bayern's problems this season when they've played Alonso and Schweini together.
That is one crap team.He's 30, and not the force he once was, plus injury prone. He will need game time, though, and I can't see Carrick being dropped. Will he play second fiddle?
If we shift to the 3-5-2 again, he could be a regular starter, and add steel to the midfield.
--------------------------------------------Valdes----------------------------------------- : Lindegaard/Cech
-----------------Otamendi------------Smalling-------------Rojo-------------------- : Jones/McNair/Evans/Shaw
--------------------------------Carrick-----------Schweini----------------------------- : Blind/Herrera/Fellaini
---Valencia-----------------------------Mata---------------------------Depay-------- : Young/Januzaj/Shaw
-------------------------------Rooney----------Di Maria------------------------------- : RvP/Wilson
Schweini covered more than 15km during the WC final, I think people are overplaying him being immobile. The concern is his fitness, but when hes fully fit he is not immobile. The question mark for me is can he get back to being fully fit. The summer off will help him.
I wouldn't bring him in as the only CM, but for a relatively low fee, he would be an excellent addition.
That would be a really stupid move from us imo. He is injured all the time and most of the Bayern fans I know are already the opinion that he won't feature much more for them in the future and that his best time is over. I also can't see him staying really fit and playing on a world class level for another season anymore, as good as he could be.
Was surprised this wasn't mentioned earlier this spring, TBH. I had seen some rumors, but no buzz here, so I figured it was just the usual rumor-mongering in the media. Now that we're closer to the close season, it seems to be ramping up.
Considering the ageing of Bayern & Pep's preference of high-pressing, I can see it happening from Bayern's side. He's still a valued commodity, but probably does not fit in with what Pep wants long term. Might as well cash in now instead of offering an extension.
If we could get him relatively cheap, I figure it's a no-lose scenario (unless he's a crock - Bayern's done it to us before )
Considering the ageing of Bayern & Pep's preference of high-pressing, I can see it happening from Bayern's side. He's still a valued commodity, but probably does not fit in with what Pep wants long term. Might as well cash in now instead of offering an extension.
If we could get him relatively cheap, I figure it's a no-lose scenario (unless he's a crock - Bayern's done it to us before
)YES PLEASE. He is world class and one of my favorite players.
It would make a lot of sense for all sides, so it could happen. Pep rarely used him in his best role and after two years I really doubt that injuries are the reason for that. So for Bayern he is still a important player, but hardly irreplaceable and sooner or later we have to start replacing the axis Ribery – Schweinsteiger – Robben - Lahm.
Schweinsteiger could play another 2-3 years on the highest level as starter, which is important for his national team career. He has a great relationship with LvG and would enjoy another experiance in a differen league.
United would get a player, who improves the squad immediately for a reasonable price.
Schweinsteiger could play another 2-3 years on the highest level as starter, which is important for his national team career. He has a great relationship with LvG and would enjoy another experiance in a differen league.
United would get a player, who improves the squad immediately for a reasonable price.
I seem to recall that the last time Schweinsteiger had only one year left on his contract, he used our 'interest' to help negotiate himself a better deal with Bayern. I can't help but feel this is more of the same.
Are we trying to emulate post 2007 AC Milan or something? Why are we linked with players who are past their prime like Alves and Schwein?
Schweini is not past his prime ffs.....and didnt we just signed one of the biggest talents in the world in Depay
We've just signed Depay!
His injuries are concerning, but his age not so much. Younger players like Aguero can also have a lot of injuries and miss big parts of the season. And the moment Schweini is fit, he would be one hell of a player to have in your squad. But unless he really wants out I'd say Bayern would be mad to let him go.
I know, and in a good mixture they're obviously fine and add valued experience. I just wouldn't want it to become the norm.
Hopefully this is the case again, we don't need an injury plagued 31 year old whose best days are behind him.
last part is a stretch.Schweini is not past his prime ffs.....and didnt we just signed one of the biggest talents in the world in Depay
Schweini is still top player but he's not in his prime judging based on this year. Injuries took a toll mind.
Well, LVG will only be here for a relatively short time so it probably makes sense for him to bring in a few players who won't need time to develop, especially as we have quite a young squad anyway.
He would be a nice depth addition but in any case shouldn't be main midfield signing. We have three empty slots there after Fletch, Ando and Clev gone so he's not even a priority at that point but still we would definitely find some space to accommodate him in United.
Even if he is past his prime he's still more than good enough for us. He'd be our best midfielder ffs, if we can get him for cheap then why not bring in that additional quality?
I wouldn't want him to be our only signing in midfield but as one of two mids signed? Yes please.
I wouldn't want him to be our only signing in midfield but as one of two mids signed? Yes please.
injuries indeed, it was less than a year ago, he put in a MOTM performance in the WC final (even though Gotze won it)
He's a leader on the pitch and would add some aggression to our spine
Even at his age that makes him a valuable addition to our squad
We all dream of Vidal, Verratti, Pogba and chums but it isn't as simple as football manager
If we can't get our primary targets a deal for Schweinsteiger alongside a younger playmaker style midfielder would be good additions
A deal would be an affordable short term option - makes sense if he is fit and up for the challenge
Even at his age that makes him a valuable addition to our squad
We all dream of Vidal, Verratti, Pogba and chums but it isn't as simple as football manager
If we can't get our primary targets a deal for Schweinsteiger alongside a younger playmaker style midfielder would be good additions
A deal would be an affordable short term option - makes sense if he is fit and up for the challenge
i know i went overboard a little
As for Schweini, he is playing the role that he isnt suited the best.....put him in the Xabi position and he would be much better, he showed his class at the WC this summer so i dont see why are people doubting him + i dont watch Bayern that often but his performance against BVB was brilliant, absolutely bossed the midfield.
Things have changed, we have a foreign manager now. I don't think we ever had a Colombian player play for us until Falcao.
All you do is complain.
We need players in their prime, especially for the midfield positions.
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